You're in the wrong sub son, PV doesn't protect research subverses like GA from infestation of inhouse performance artists and roaming gangs of PV's troll armies. Try visiting https://voat.co/v/ProtectGoats to file a complaint. But it may make you a target, so there's that.
doesn't protect research subverses like GA from infestation of inhouse performance artists and roaming gangs of PV's troll armies.
Do you think over the past year PV has made it difficult for GA community to continue to do that research? I'm specifically looking for examples of interference from here that has members of that community at risk or stopped the mods from dealing with them. Outside of the Srayzie incident because I'm up to speed on that. If we've been allowing that then it's not acceptable
@Crensch is there anyone else that can maybe help me on this or maybe you can point me in the right direction.
This is a an example of recent PV overreaching and interrupting the sub. https://voat.co/v/GreatAwakening/3223393 Keep in mind that a lot happened before and after this post. For all his virtue signaling, @kevdude, behind the scenes, had @srayzie address (counter troll) @zyklon_b at QRV where modlogs weren't an issue for him. That's how he measures success in his mission to free people from tyranny, and justifies harassment of mods (usually reacting to PV/trolling operations) who he charges with future crimes that haven't happened.
The escalation was so predictable even @kevdude should have seen it coming, which begs the question, why does he insist on meddling in the research subs like GA and PG? Read @Vindicator's account of the misinformation @Kevdude has claimed about his role in policing pizzagate and unbanning someone who should never been unbanned. The SBBH and PV and GA drama spans subverses and platforms. imo. Given the number of various parties with an interest in derailing the sub, the issue is far more a colossal shitshow than can easily be addressed in a short time. You'd probably need a year to tease it out. I've been on here long enough to confirm that.
The best action I've seen to date to stop the cancerous effect on GA was after @crensch took over and put an end to it the @kevdude/PV/SBBH angle. Shutting out the avenues for the performance artists to make GA their stage. Reading old history about PV and @kevdude is just more of the history of the same issue, and if it can't be changed now, with a protest by people who know him best, what chance do regular users have to standing up to the manipulation and abuse and division tactics, forum sliding, off topic dissertations, low effort swill flooding, canned 'conversations' and more? Is that how they should be required to spend their time instead of researching?
Now @kevdude has released additional personal info about @crensch and @srayzie (complete with petty, personal insults about @srayzies body ffs) that has nothing to do with GA, only the interpersonal nature and potential circumstances (conflicts) and motives behind his obsession in interfering with GA.
He told untruths about where the pics came from (involved yet another PG troll, anti GA/anti Trumper who @srayzie unfortunately befriended and @kevdude apparently meddled in that PG drama involving his being banned/unbanned. Honestly, who can keep track of this, who wants to keep track of it? Refer again to @Vindicator for info if necessary).
But @srayzie is not the "THE STANDARD BEARER OF PV" as @kevdude called himself. She doesn't make the far reaching decisions for voat as a whole. Her personal foilbles aren't on trial, she was well liked by the subscribers of the sub she built. Her effectiveness as an owner and mod on GA was undermined by PV trying to micro manage the issues into their template. imo.
@kevdude has admitted to @crensch (don't have link handy) that he could care less about the current users of GA (because there's always a hurt party) and expressed disdain that they didn't engage in enough downvoting. He had advised that no more rules be made to help them with shitposters (presumably because he thought they deserve what they get if they don't behave the way he wants).
He is NOT an advocate for users on Voat (other than the trolls perhaps). Meanwhile @zyklon_b had sent people to purposefully troll for downvotes and bans. And my question was to PV, how is this reconcilable? Down votes feeds the trolls in that scenario, bans feed the trolls when that is the reason they are there.
All these accounts and reasons sum up why research sites deserve more independence to function with out the outside dysfunction of performance art, non accountable shitposters and their satire and manufactured rage over being banned as if they ever intended to participate on the research site in good faith. My contention, and I posted it response to @crensch address to the sub users, is this:
GA is a Research subverse with a focus on research, for researchers and Qanon supporters at large. I want to declare that threads infested and co-opted with shitposters are defacto shit posting threads and the comments can be deleted by Mods.
They have no restrictions in their subs, they are protected everywhere they go, and they spread the culture of their subs all over voat, but most perniciously it seems, within research subs. I would want admin @puttitout more formally recognize that research subs have a right to exist as such, having their own culture (not to say that people don't debate research obviously), but with the same protection that PV has given to shitposters and porn subs based on their 'culture' and their respective 'purpose.' https://voat.co/v/GreatAwakening/3270813/19118236/10#19118236
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Alright thanks for that perspective. For the last part I think we had an unspoken agreement that Pizzagate was this type of research sub and was to be treated with that in mind. Somewhere in the last two years Q should have been given the same considerations. I suspect there is also a lot unsaid and some personal issues involved behind the scenes, as the pictures and PM's flying around suggest, that have made this issue worse than it should have been. Either way, the community has spoken there about what they want and seem happy about it. Whether that works out for them time will tell.
As for PuttItOut, I assume if he doesn't like what is happening he will step in to help communities out like he has done before but thats up to him and he is probably reluctant to do anything much at all right now after the last two weeks or so.
Thank you for taking the time to be open to reevaluating the Q sub as needing the same considerations as PG. I agree, the personal story behind the story shouldn't be a distraction from users being able to go on about their business. At the moment I don't think it is, as most of the discussion was moved away from the sub itself (which makes sense).
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kestrel9 ago
uproarious laughter ensues on PV
You're in the wrong sub son, PV doesn't protect research subverses like GA from infestation of inhouse performance artists and roaming gangs of PV's troll armies. Try visiting https://voat.co/v/ProtectGoats to file a complaint. But it may make you a target, so there's that.
Dismember ago
Do you think over the past year PV has made it difficult for GA community to continue to do that research? I'm specifically looking for examples of interference from here that has members of that community at risk or stopped the mods from dealing with them. Outside of the Srayzie incident because I'm up to speed on that. If we've been allowing that then it's not acceptable
@Crensch is there anyone else that can maybe help me on this or maybe you can point me in the right direction.
kestrel9 ago
Yes
Give me a little time and I will give you examples of how I believe PV has made it difficult for GA community to function.
Dismember ago
Ok thanks I appreciate it and know its a bit to ask since it's probably already been posted. I just haven't been around the last year.
kestrel9 ago
So this is going to be a bit of a vent.
This is a an example of recent PV overreaching and interrupting the sub. https://voat.co/v/GreatAwakening/3223393 Keep in mind that a lot happened before and after this post. For all his virtue signaling, @kevdude, behind the scenes, had @srayzie address (counter troll) @zyklon_b at QRV where modlogs weren't an issue for him. That's how he measures success in his mission to free people from tyranny, and justifies harassment of mods (usually reacting to PV/trolling operations) who he charges with future crimes that haven't happened.
The escalation was so predictable even @kevdude should have seen it coming, which begs the question, why does he insist on meddling in the research subs like GA and PG? Read @Vindicator's account of the misinformation @Kevdude has claimed about his role in policing pizzagate and unbanning someone who should never been unbanned. The SBBH and PV and GA drama spans subverses and platforms. imo. Given the number of various parties with an interest in derailing the sub, the issue is far more a colossal shitshow than can easily be addressed in a short time. You'd probably need a year to tease it out. I've been on here long enough to confirm that.
The best action I've seen to date to stop the cancerous effect on GA was after @crensch took over and put an end to it the @kevdude/PV/SBBH angle. Shutting out the avenues for the performance artists to make GA their stage. Reading old history about PV and @kevdude is just more of the history of the same issue, and if it can't be changed now, with a protest by people who know him best, what chance do regular users have to standing up to the manipulation and abuse and division tactics, forum sliding, off topic dissertations, low effort swill flooding, canned 'conversations' and more? Is that how they should be required to spend their time instead of researching?
Now @kevdude has released additional personal info about @crensch and @srayzie (complete with petty, personal insults about @srayzies body ffs) that has nothing to do with GA, only the interpersonal nature and potential circumstances (conflicts) and motives behind his obsession in interfering with GA.
He told untruths about where the pics came from (involved yet another PG troll, anti GA/anti Trumper who @srayzie unfortunately befriended and @kevdude apparently meddled in that PG drama involving his being banned/unbanned. Honestly, who can keep track of this, who wants to keep track of it? Refer again to @Vindicator for info if necessary).
But @srayzie is not the "THE STANDARD BEARER OF PV" as @kevdude called himself. She doesn't make the far reaching decisions for voat as a whole. Her personal foilbles aren't on trial, she was well liked by the subscribers of the sub she built. Her effectiveness as an owner and mod on GA was undermined by PV trying to micro manage the issues into their template. imo.
@kevdude has admitted to @crensch (don't have link handy) that he could care less about the current users of GA (because there's always a hurt party) and expressed disdain that they didn't engage in enough downvoting. He had advised that no more rules be made to help them with shitposters (presumably because he thought they deserve what they get if they don't behave the way he wants).
He is NOT an advocate for users on Voat (other than the trolls perhaps). Meanwhile @zyklon_b had sent people to purposefully troll for downvotes and bans. And my question was to PV, how is this reconcilable? Down votes feeds the trolls in that scenario, bans feed the trolls when that is the reason they are there.
All these accounts and reasons sum up why research sites deserve more independence to function with out the outside dysfunction of performance art, non accountable shitposters and their satire and manufactured rage over being banned as if they ever intended to participate on the research site in good faith. My contention, and I posted it response to @crensch address to the sub users, is this:
zyklon_b ago
BTA stands with free speech and @kevdude
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kestrel9 ago
Every artists deserves a patron, I will forever consider him the Patron Saint of BTA.
zyklon_b ago
u lost
kestrel9 ago
u mad
Dismember ago
Alright thanks for that perspective. For the last part I think we had an unspoken agreement that Pizzagate was this type of research sub and was to be treated with that in mind. Somewhere in the last two years Q should have been given the same considerations. I suspect there is also a lot unsaid and some personal issues involved behind the scenes, as the pictures and PM's flying around suggest, that have made this issue worse than it should have been. Either way, the community has spoken there about what they want and seem happy about it. Whether that works out for them time will tell.
As for PuttItOut, I assume if he doesn't like what is happening he will step in to help communities out like he has done before but thats up to him and he is probably reluctant to do anything much at all right now after the last two weeks or so.
kestrel9 ago
Thank you for taking the time to be open to reevaluating the Q sub as needing the same considerations as PG. I agree, the personal story behind the story shouldn't be a distraction from users being able to go on about their business. At the moment I don't think it is, as most of the discussion was moved away from the sub itself (which makes sense).