So yesterday, after witnessing several days of truly despicable smear campaigning by multiple users attempting to paint srayzie as a manipulative floozy using completely unsubstantiated claims who deserved to be driven off Voat, treating her recent fight with @Zyklon_b and friends as if it occurred in a vacuum, I had a conversation in which I reminded @Kevdude about the role that he played in creating it, starting around 1:42 am Voat time.
He was telling @Dismember, former PV mod Disappointed, about why srayzie came under attack by Hojuruku a year ago, and he said,
"I was helping with that. He was attacking the entire mod team in PG and spamming autism to PV and other places."
So I challenged him, because he did not, in fact, "help" with that. He caused it.
First, I gave him a chance to stop misrepresenting the incident. Kev's response was to dismiss Hojuruku's attacks -- which involved a bounty put out on me to try to have me doxxed -- as "because he was crazy". Then he turned it into a completely unwarranted attack on me with a slur against my reputation:
"Look you have this misguided idea that because something annoys you you have the right to delete it. Remember you only left reddit when they threw you off. Silencing entire communities starts with a comment deletion years prior."
I challenged the smear:
Look you have this misguided idea that because something annoys you you have the right to delete it.
Oh? Show me evidence that I delete what annoys me. Show me one single example.
Remember you only left reddit when they threw you off.
I was on Reddit for about three weeks before the migration because I saw the research being posted on Twitter. You've made this "Reddit" accusation against me before. Why do you keep repeating something you know is not true?
Silencing entire communities starts with a comment deletion years prior.
I'd like to see proof of this. I'd also like to know what this has to do with me.
Kev did not -- and cannot -- provide anything to support these assertions.
I went on to address his role in loosing Hojuruku to rampage at will, which I believe is important background information for what ultimately led srayzie to her later acts of desperation and protest:
Besides, I think he was dealt with quite effectively in the end.
Zero thanks to you.
The reason Hojuruku went on a rampage -- after he was legitimately banned after multiple rule breaking posts -- is because you unilaterally unbanned him without doing any research whatsoever into who he was, or what he had been up to. And I didn't reban him, because he was going all over Voat saying I was a pedo and it would have looked like censorship, as I told you at the time when I asked you to fix what you had fucked up. But you didn't care about taking responsibility for your bad decision, or about protecting my reputation. @Crensch rebanned him. That took about two weeks, during which time, srayzie and @think- tried to defend me against him because Hojuruku put a bounty out to have me doxed on multiple platforms. I can document every single word of this, if you like.
Srayzie never would have even gotten on Hojuruku's radar if it weren't for your irresponsible act, followed by your cowardly inaction. The fact that you are allowing a bunch of liars to go around carping about how she "doxed" a guy that doxed himself in every submission he ever made without revealing the MAJOR role you played in creating the situation is very, very telling.
Instead of doing the right thing and owning up to the fact that he let a dangerous, rule-violating nutbar loose to rampage at will, attacking me, then srayzie when she defended me, and then refused to put him back in his cage, he dismissed everything I said as "bullshit":
"That is so much one sided bullshit I don't even know where to start. You're that fucking desperate to paint me as the villain in all of this. Seriously. I'll get back to you in a few days. Or I won't. Whatever."
That was at 7:21 am Voat time. For the next hour, he and I went back and forth, with him deflecting, acting as if I had not been speaking clearly, and diverting away from his creation of the problem. At 8:23 am, I ended the conversation with a restatement of what I had been saying all along:
What was that role, exactly?
Your role -- exactly -- was to create the situation, and then do nothing to fix your mistake or the harm it caused. Srayzie never would have been targeted by Hojuruku if you hadn't unbanned him. Or if you had promptly rebanned him when he did exactly what I warned you he would do.
After that, I went to bed. This morning, I got up to find this gem in my notifications, in which someone created a fake "Vindicator" account on Paol and commented on this post exposing a srayzie alt and claiming "Vindicator must be the biggest weenie on the Internet. Takes to Poal to defend @srayzie's honor".
I have never been on Paol, until today to research this smear, and it's easily proven. Here is how it went down:
Timeline of a Retard Psyop:
Four hours later…
- 6/3/2019 at 4:52 am PDT (11:52 am Voat time) SrayzieL1ve5 posts the Paol submission
- 6/3/2019 at 4:53 am PDT Just one minute after it was submitted, Paol “Vindicator” account comments
- 6/3/2019 at 2:04 pm Voat time someone seeking to discredit me posts on AnonWhatever claiming I created a Paol account to cover for srayzie (Voat time = PDT +7)
Pretty retarded. How astronomically small are the odds I would be able to find that submission and reply to it within one minute of it being posted, as the hit job posted here on AnonWhatever asserts?
That choice nugget of fecal matter also includes the disinfo narrative of the week portraying srayzie as a magical vixen, the mere sight of whose nude form allegedly enslaved me, @Crensch and apparently everyone but the mighty Kevdude, driving men to never before seen heights of craven Redditry:
[–] 18984156? 0 points (+0|-0) 4.7 hours ago
Promise of sexual favors. Promise of meeting. Promise of seeing more pictures.
Like any good cam girl she strung them all out.
My theory: if any of the male voaters she’s was sexting where even mildly attractive she would of meet them in person. Unfortunately for her the voat demographic is chubby and over 50. She went after the bottom dwellers of voat. There are attractive people on voat but they’re not spending countless hours on protect voat, great awakening or Pizzagate.
And the final piece de resistance:
At 7:07 pm, Kev cites the sloppily created fake Paol account in attempt to de-legitimize Crensch and his acts of civil disobedience:
"You have literally become Darth Vader. You sold out everything you stood for and now you're a big menacing dude who's going to rip everything apart but somebody's pulling your strings. I can't even take you seriously anymore. I think Vindicator needs your help over on Poal."
You'll note he fails to ping me to his slur. Or this one.
That, my friends, is what happens when you attempt to hold Kevdude accountable for his conduct. That is the "free speech" that is being protected by "ProtectVoat". Speech used to attempt to discredit and thus silence my inconvenient point of view.
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Crensch ago
Your mods knew. Apparently, you did, too.
You know that nobody buys that, right?
"Dude, I've been doing this so long the statute of limitations must've hit?"
I am always here for Voat.
Just because I disagree with your PV principles doesn't make me some supervillain.
Crensch ago
@PeaceSeeker [O] @Dismember [O] @cynoclast [M] @Rainy-Day-Dream [M] @SandHog [M]
I don't know if you noticed, but your lead mod is being exposed as a pathological liar, and someone incapable of taking responsibility for what he has done.
Any takers?
Dismember ago
kevdude is far from perfect i know it more than anyone I guess. BUt his heart is in the right place and his ideals have helped keep this place from being reddit 2.0. Many forget the amount of mods that we helped remove here but surely you don't. Would you really wan't those mods back and do you really think that banning people like @zyklonb would stop them doing what they did?
Crensch ago
I kinda doubt it. No offense or anything. I want to like the guy, but he keeps digging his heels in when he's clearly wrong, and lying/gaslighting any chance he gets.
It just keeps getting worse for him. Not because we're wrong, but because he motivates us to find the next instance of him being not only wrong, but dishonest about it.
I'm not so sure.
An impressive number. And it makes me sick that I want to revisit those and see if I still agree or not.
I don't know. I'm not sure the question is valid at this point.
The zyklon/srayzie thing was going to happen. It makes me chuckle at how stuck on that everyone is.
I'm not sure I care if it would stop them, so much as I care that the current PV guidelines do nothing but fetter mods that would like to keep them from shitting on the carpet. The shitposters will keep pushing the envelope and testing the lines until they can find something to whine to kevdude about.
Dismember ago
So you think the answer is to copy the unsuccessful smear campaigns by trolls of the past instead of initiating an adult conversation about those guidelines? I will tell you right now which one I think would be more successful and its not some hit piece of an OP like this. This turns me off more than anything. It's petty drama. People on Voat are not stupid. If you can convince them of your position and why you think it is a better idea than what is the current one, then they will take your side on it.
Vindicator ago
You seriously believe that the insane retaliation documented here for my legitimate criticism of Kev to Kev in a conversation about his lying and fomenting drama is "petty drama" and a "hit piece".
That is amazing.
Dismember ago
That is what it comes across as yes. I think both you and @crensch may have some valid points to make about PV policies and the way Voat as a whole handles trolls and neuters mods and I'd like to hear it and I'd also like to hear the other goats and listen to what they say about it. I don't really care for the back and forwards drama which is why I usually flair any shit like this from ANY source meta-drama.
You obviously write well, so I'm asking you if you would make something that tells me exactly what you think is wrong and how you think it might be fixed, then we can all weigh in on it.
Vindicator ago
I am willing to do that to the best of my ability, yes.
I am not sure what exactly is wrong or why, which makes it very difficult to propose solutions. I keep looking at the effects or symptoms and talking about those and getting attacked for it -- to the tune today of a full-on disinfo campaign directed against me personally, which I was then blamed for.
I'm honestly at a loss as to where to start at this point.
Rainy-Day-Dream ago
/thread tbh
come back after you sleep on it fren
Dismember ago
That's about where I am right now. I'd love to hear what the dangers are of continuing as we are now and how that might affect Voat going forward. Up until now ignoring the retards and making sure your personal info is safe has been enough to mitigate any threat the shitposters pose. I just don't think they matter much but I'm happy to hear any thoughts otherwise.
Also if I inadvertently piled onto some sort of attack against you that wasn't my intention. I've only seen you post here today and commented on this in isolation from anything else that has been going on. I remember you from the v/pizzagate issues a year or so back and you seemed pretty fair and level-headed back then.