In this study, you can see that human resource management has spent a great deal of time learning how to create and prevent splitting in human groups in order to keep groups cohesive or break them apart, as needed.
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/321982018_Organizing_the_HRM_function_Responses_to_paradoxes_variety_and_dynamism
In fact, the Robber's Cave experiment is a perfect example of how the basic ideas behind this are very, very easy to implement. It was framed as "realistic conflict theory."
https://www.simplypsychology.org/robbers-cave.html
An even more basic way to understand this is to see how a monkey reacts to the injustice of being paid differently for doing the same task. His outrage is palpable. This little monkey should inform you as to how easy it is to manipulate people using outrage. Don't be that little monkey.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=meiU6TxysCg
Almost two months ago, I started getting PMs that were seemingly designed to create the idea that there were people against me. In particular, @Vindicator and @Crensch were named as people who were not big fans of mine and the idea was introduced that they wanted me banned. I'm leary of naming too many names, but @think- admitted to being one of these people.
Ever cautious, my response was a post on how to counteract David Brock shills. I basically tried to dumb down what I use to combat shills and gave instructions on how drown them out on Reddit.
I made a long post on 4chan, which @think- then suggested I share on /v/Pizzagate, with the understanding that we would work together on making conform to the rules of /v/Pizzagate, because it was originally made for 4chan. After I worked to correct the post, @Vindicator referred to me as acting like a David Brock shill, a sleeper shill, etc where I was trying to "baffle people with bullshit." I informed @Vindicator that I had a couple of people (my cousin, a computer science professor, and another family member, a lawyer) watching how all of this was about to go down. This was my cousin's idea, because he had just made it so the logs worked on my site and I had explained that we could expect a serious shill response. The legal ramifications of shills is an interesting one because you can potentially sue them and make money.
One of the first people who came to my site from the thread I posted used the address bar to search for George Tenet within my site. They did it wrong. Then, another computer logged in and did a slightly correct way of searching for George Tenet on my site.
The second probe was run using a computer on a CACI network with the login name "abramah." Naturally, I ran the name through the database I have of email and password combinations. You can find this, yourself, at haveibeenpwned.com, but I downloaded the whole database, so I could access both username and their corresponding passwords. This is what came back:
[email protected] goatblower
QinetiQ was contracted by CACI, the Defense Intelligence Agency contractor, to run unspecified Internet operations and founded QNAO (QinetiQ North American Operations). George Tenet was on their board. It seems one of his employees was searching for him and they are, most likely, a Voat shill, since they came from Voat within moments of my thread being posted and also chose the password "goatblower."
George Tenet now runs Allen & Co, which is the top of the media pyramid for FOX, Disney, Sports, Video Games, Health Insurance comapnies, etc. It is a "Proprietary" as managed by a Proprietary Management Group within the Deep State.
As soon as I started to expose the CACI logs and posted in /v/ProtectVoat, Voat had "technical issues" and puttitout made a sticky saying he was working on it and that was the moment @srayzie & Co all decided they hated me. Rather than try to have a conversation about it in a rational manner, they insisted on being insulting harassing and constantly pinging each other to downvote me... the exact stuff they have been doing to a lot of people.
Their job has been to destroy the Pizzagate movement by aligning it with Q, then waiting for the Q movement to be discredited. They run /v/Pizzagate as a limited hangout and everyone who has tried to politely reason with them gets insults and little brigades from the same exact group of people. If you don't post in exactly the manner they want, they invite you to post in a subverse that gets little to no attention. They make no effort, whatsoever, to promote the known facts onto other platforms and liberal strongholds.
In fact, they spend an inordinate amount of time "reverse concern trolling" by falsely identifying shills, then trying to convince everyone to brigade them which is a core aspect of creating "tension" and implementing "tension based strategies." They are trying to make outraged monkeys out of everyone.
In my opinion, they could start to prove they aren't shills by merely starting with taking a break from the Internet. They could blanket ban themselves from wasting their time insulting people and just use the normal functions to deal with shills sans all the outraged monkeys. The reason they act like this is because they are either immature to the extreme or because they are doing all of this on purpose.
When people repeatedly double down on dishonesty, they are proving my point.
Just recently, @Vindicator said that I accused him of DDoS'iong my site, which is a gross misrepresentation of what I said happened. Give that he has called me a shill and made a number of other untruthful statements means that he is double down on his dishonesty for a reason. When I first presented some of my findings in /v/PizzagateWhatever, he deleted it. I left all of their hateful words untouched in my own ignored subverse.
What is the best way to protect voat? It is to stop engaging in the different types of concern trolling and stay out of the drama. Personally, I think these people deserve a permanent ban because it is my opinion that this paradigm is a well established, well documented shill paradigm that they repeatedly adhere to. Doxxing is being selectively used as a tool of outrage, when, in fact, I've doxxed more people than I can count on Voat, including Rothschilds, NXIVM, Knesset members, FBI Agents and a lot more. Notice nobody ever complained about that. In fact, @Vindicator even seemed to like it when I handed out the emails to the lead Pizzagate investigators at the FBI.
/v/Pizzagate has had a reverse concern troll stickied for 5 months on @EsotericShade. Whether or not their accusations are true, does one problem person warrant a lot of drama laden exclamation marks and insulting circle jerk to represent the Pizzagate movement? No. It is more "Outrage Inc." For a group of people who hate when someone adds a few votes here and there, they are the prime abusers of ganging up on people and downvoting them into oblivion. They act exactly like TMOR and SRS. They are cancer. It would be best for Voat if these people were not in charge.
I absolutely invite polite discussion on any of these topics. Just know that nobody has been able to address it without the little TMOR insult downvote brigade. When it came to trying to convince this little group of anything, I gave up. However, it is clearly a large overarching problem all across Voat that a handful of people are responsible for and finally, everyone seems ready to listen. These aren't good people.
Subtract the things you do or do not agree with them on... politics, morality, whatever. Then just look at the behavior. They won. Outrage and insults won. Just in time for the OIG report, too.
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Vindicator ago
You're not beating the trolls.
I agree with this.
mimes4peace ago
@thewebofslime went missing from Poal over a month ago. I see now why that is but I listen to the podcast and it would be concerning to me if he was a shill. It is something I would really want to know. I think a lot of his other followers would want to know too.
He has had a number of replies to you that you havent addressed and I see that as problematic. Ive tried to do some analysis to understand who is telling the truth and he has way more independently verifiable information than you do. Your response is to use ad hominem attacks. I have concerns with your dishonesty but you can clear something up for everyone if you want to be believed.
A few quick questions here.
Voat captures your IP. Right? It says so. Voat is on the lower end of how much users get tracked but has a voting system in place so you can't hide unless you go out of your way. Facebook steals your entire history beyond even just the Internet. They are two ends of the spectrum.
If someone attacked Voat do you think admin wouldn't use https://whatismyipaddress.com/ip-lookup as the first step? It is standard operating procedure in IT.
If someone logged into your email account and Google reported a security breach and listed the IP address is that not the first thing you would look up? You would be able to see if it was your own device, someone you knew or a random intrusion from Russia.
If someone posted the logs of an attack on their site wouldn't you want to know who the malicious attacker was? For the good of everyone?
From the outside looking in you are acting guilty because you seem terrified that your IP address is exposed.
Google Analytics is easily blocked by uBlock Origins. If you right click and "View Source" on webofslime.com you can see that it is VERY bare bones. Your own device is tracking you a lot more than that site and is making your browsing history available to Amazon and Google.
Here are multiple examples of Voat tracking that Voat has ZERO to do with.
https://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/voat.co
https://www.similarweb.com/website/voat.co#overview
https://www.trackalytics.com/website/voat.co/
It looks like you are being very dishonest and acting very guilty.
You and I can independently verify that the IP address from the second probing attack is legitimate. We can verify the username is legitimate. We can verify that CACI and QinetiQ work together in "Integrated Projects" using the same money earmarked for "Project Earnest Voice." webofslime.com was attacked within minutes of your hostility and now you are caught being dishonest about it.
This is publicly available information and @thewebofslime shares exactly how to use it. Poal.co hosts this information. PMYB2 downloaded the 300 GB download for anyone to use. Why should we not be allowed to see what is in there? Why would you want that material censored? You deleted the post about this in your own subverse. What do you have to hide if you are telling the truth? If you dont understand that your entire Internet history is out there being traded by companies and governments all over the world then your outrage is sorely misplaced.
Did you actually get doxxed? At any point? If you did then you are guilty.
One last question.
Why did you describe the attack as a DDoS attack?
@kevdude @NOMOCHOMO @think- @crensch
PS: This is why WoS has not been online for a month. It really makes you look like the asshole in this situation.
https://www.instagram.com/p/BxyRteMA8fP/
If you dont get past your feelings on this one and produce a legitimate explanation you can expect backlash from a lot of WoS fans from Poal. This will be discussed at the next podcast and I will be providing your response or lack thereof to the crew.
think- ago
No, he didn't. That was a lie. OP said @Vindicator deleted a post OP made on v/pizzagatewhatever.
http://archive.fo/p6yAg
This is the banlog for that sub -
https://voat.co/v/pizzagatewhatever/about/log/submission
The last post that got deleted there was submiteted 1.1 years ago.
The discussion thewebofslime mentions in his OP happened two months ago.
https://voat.co/v/pizzagatewhatever/3129367
http://archive.fo/HdezV
@Vindicator @Crensch @kevdude @shewhomustbeobeyed @SandHog
I told him to contact PuttItOut, instead of smearing @Vindicator without any proof.
But apparently he never did.
mimes4peace ago
Link me the post in /v/pizzagatewhatever
You also answered none of the questions. Care to take a stab at any of them?
The fallacy being that one piece of minutiae does not do anything for the dishonesty on the part of @Vindicator
NOMOCHOMO ago
fuck that.
@Vindicator's falsehood can be chalked up to technical incompetence.
Claiming that a mod removed your post without any evidence seems far more egregious of a lie.
mimes4peace ago
I haven;t seen it. Im looking.
NOMOCHOMO ago
it's marked "potential security risk"
if the owner admits he's cross referencing individual ip addresses that have accessed his site, to determine their identity, it is a potential security risk.
@thewebofslime also repeatedly says he will "fill in the blanks" to me that is easily interpreted as a veiled threat to reveal the IP addresses.
that's why you always use a burner device boyos.
mimes4peace ago
He is asking to fill in the blanks. There is a difference. Any owner would cross reference a security threat and fellow site owners would want to know about it to block the IPs. It is standard to share this information. I checked there are definitely hostile IPs in the list that are known. You can check yourself. Why wouldnt site admin here know about someone here who was doing bash attacks? Voat went down immediately after. Same attack? No one is asking whats up? Lets all ignore it?
NOMOCHOMO ago
proof of that claim?
I do think that's a fair question/concern
mimes4peace ago
Its only in conversation that I found. You know how to search for a sticky about technical issues?
NOMOCHOMO ago
a link to that conversation would be a start.
you could use searchvoat to search for posts on that day or the day after to find confirmation of a voat outage.
also if there are significantly fewer posts that day, it's an indication the site was down
mimes4peace ago
In the previous comment from /v/Pizzagatewhatever
Sometime between 3/30/2019 10:11:46 AM and 3/31/2019 6:50:26 PM
NOMOCHOMO ago
who made that comment? Can you find independent confirmation that is not WoS
mimes4peace ago
It is WoS. I saw someone mention there was a sticky but cant remember who. But if I knew where to search for that between those times then should be easy. Or find similar comments.
NOMOCHOMO ago
searchvoat.co
mimes4peace ago
Found it. https://voat.co/v/Voat/3130748
NOMOCHOMO ago
@shewhomustbeobeyed
shewhomustbeobeyed ago
What am i looking for?
NOMOCHOMO ago
nothing, this just at least partially verifies WoS narrative that voat went down after his initial post claiming his site was probed/accusing Vindicator.
it doesn't prove anything, just a true data point in the WoS vs Vin debacle.
shewhomustbeobeyed ago
The egos of some men, ffs.
This is why i disregarded his complaint the first time. As you know, VOAT is being worked on, and to think that this is all that would happen if he was really being fucked with.
Nonsense and shear jealousy, imo.
Too bad, i liked WoS, until he got all goofy.
NOMOCHOMO ago
agree
agree
disagree. To say he isn't being harassed enough isn't fair. A temporary shutdown can kill posting and commenting momentum. It gives time for a counter narrative to be hatched before the information is disseminated too far.
buttttt It's also illogical to assume the two are directly connected unless timestamps make sense. Even then correlation =/= causation
I will still cautiously follow @thewebofslime, but my trust is shattered re: his claim that Vin removed his post from pgwhatever.
shewhomustbeobeyed ago
I never doubted that @thewebofslime was under attack. I just couldn't make the jump to blaming @Vindicator.
I do miss Wos POV, just not the paranoia. Got plenty of that on my own, thankUverymuch.
mimes4peace ago
My brain cells are dying. I think Ive got my head around it. Always takes me a good sleep to process info. So far I think a public voting option for subs that only is revealed when archived is the best solution.
NOMOCHOMO ago
idk if after archiving is necessary.
I think the claims that it will increase tension are irrelevant.
the tension will be the revelation of shills and their exposure. I dont want to wait weeks to find out I'm being brigaded