Just checked most of his postings and what I don't understand is what you are claiming here.
He gives posts and evidence of his claims himself but your assertions towards his intentions are vague.
So my question to you is have you checked all of the posts that he has made and double check them?
Here is the deal, usually when someone is giving desinformation they tend to keep their claims vague and also provide conflicting evidence to their claims which then make their assertions fall apart.
When someones looks to proof his point clearly, provides as much evidence that corroborate to the best of their capabilities what they are warning about.
None of the posts that he has done contradict in any way what he is stating: Some users use multiple sources that are proven to be fake news sources and that could have hidden personal interests in the middle of their postings, hidden. Which in fact makes them suspects of the matter. Not guilty. Being a suspect doesn't mean that you are guilty of anything, it just means that we are to be more careful when dealing with you or when checking what you post.
However your post is vague and your reference contradicts what you are saying in your vague comments which means that this complaint of yours is superficial and without substance.
Don't take me wrong, not trying to offend you, but it does seem that you have taken the matter personally against him, whilst he is just being objective, as I am being now, in his denunciations.
So in conclusion, I don't agree with your post. Thanks for leading me to the compendium of evidence he provided though.
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Being a suspect doesn't mean that you are guilty of anything, it just means that we are to be more careful when dealing with you or when checking what you post.
Frankly old ones. There is enough evidence in madworld's post to accomplish your arrest and scheduling you for a trial. I'm carrying your guilty until proven innocent analogy to it's conclusion here.
This stuff Madworld is exposing is fishy as fuck. You have basically been caught red fucking handed and now you try and defend yourself with some goddamned sophistry.
i see interesting information, i post it, time goes by, what fuck do i give, and then now i suddenly get accused of being a shill. what the fuck are the charges on me.
I can see it, but again you haven't been proven to be guilty, you have been proven to use suspicious sources. That is it. Whether your intention was to desinform or not that is another matter for it is too hard to prove that. But users should be more cautious to see the links that you used in the past.
and what fucking approach should i be using? laying down, being quiet, letting my good name get trampled on?
i fucking look here one day to see i have an accusation thrown at my fucking face, and i'm being expected to say why i posted something that i found interesting, and now my fucking reputation is to just be tarnished, as people think i'm some sort of shill, because one fucking guy drops that shit on my doorstep?
@MadWorld you'd better get the fuck in this argument before the dumpster fire grows too large. i know how to make those grow real fucking large
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and what fucking approach should i be using? laying down, being quiet, letting my good name get trampled on?
I didn't say that ever. I provided you an example of what I would of done: "For example argue the evidence he is providing that show the sources you have used are fake or suspicious."
i fucking look here one day to see i have an accusation thrown at my fucking face, and i'm being expected to say why i posted something that i found interesting, and now my fucking reputation is to just be tarnished, as people think i'm some sort of shill, because one fucking guy drops that shit on my doorstep?
I for once would research further on why the site is considered suspicious, how could the site harm the community, etc. Then if I find no evidence of that argue why the site is not harmful. This is what I mean. argue your stance in a different way instead of ranting.
I for once would research further on why the site is considered suspicious, how could the site harm the community, etc. Then if I find no evidence of that argue why the site is not harmful. This is what I mean. argue your stance in a different way instead of ranting.
Can't say, I am not in your position. But I would use his evidence to see why it is considered as suspicious and try to argue why it is not the case using it against his denunciation.
You already showed you didn't know as you don't know what to look for to argue against his evidence nor "saw a sign" om what you shared.
Here you show you had no intention of damaging Voat.
However you didn't show that it wasn't a suspicious source hence you did use one.
In conclusion one has to be careful to check your posts as you don't always know if the sources you use are suspicious or not.
But im addition you could say that as it was brought to your attention the suspicious nature of the source you previously used, you will abstein from using it again.
In conclusion one has to be careful to check your posts as you don't always know if the sources you use are suspicious or not.
oh so now i'm fucking suspicious then i see. THAT'S WHAT I AINT FUCKING TAKING LYING DOWN HERE
i'd be putting more interest in his findings, but i just got shoved with that shit, how the fuck can i even be a neutral party in this now. no, i fucking cant. i'm being obligated to defend myself and thus i cannot take his finding to be neutral to me.
I agree you aren't lying about the fact that you didn't have any ill intention.
This is why you need to be calmer in this case to help your case.
Once are calmed you can see that the matter is not personal because he denounced several users of posting suspicious links.
His objective was to identify the possible threats (links) and possible suspects that could spread them with ill intentions. You just ruled you out of those ill intentions and show yourself as collateral of the others. You see what I mean?
This is why is better to see this type of situation with a cold mind.
But here is the deal, he is entitled to consider someone a suspect.
The fact that he considers you a suspect or others for that matter doesn't make you guilty. That is why I am not treating you as an agent of desinformation. One can always be blind to the fact that the source one is using is fake news.
I understand your discomfort, but as he is making his denunciation publicly with evidence of the matter you also have a right to defend yourself publicly. No one is accusing you of being guilty, he is however accusing you of being a suspect.
But here is the deal, he is entitled to consider someone a suspect.
AND I'M ENTITLED TO OBJECT AS I'M FALSELY ACCUSED. i aint fucking fucking happy about being considered guilty, and anyone that tells me to think of this as no big deal can fuck off
you yourself just said:
Being a suspect doesn't mean that you are guilty of anything, it just means that we are to be more careful when dealing with you or when checking what you post.
this means assumed guilty. this means the reupations of inncoent users may jave just been damaged
instead of PMing each of us and asking first, he made the accusation first, and he just lost the chance to do this in private. that is the point of this post
AND I'M ENTITLED TO OBJECT AS I'M FALSELY ACCUSED. i aint fucking fucking happy about being considered guilty, and anyone that tells me to think of this as no big deal can fuck off
I agree, I said that. However my approach would be different. For example argue the evidence he is providing that show the sources you have used are fake or suspicious.
You didn't do that, you simply externalise a complaint which we can appreciate but if you provide no argumentation at all or show why your sources are not suspicious then your complaint just becomes a simple rant.
this means assumed guilty. this means the reputations of innocent users may have just been damaged
No one is character assassinating you. And no, it doesn't mean you are assumed to be guilty. You are assumed to use suspicious sources, whether knowingly or not is besides the point.
instead of PMing each of us and asking first, he made the accusation first, and he just lost the chance to do this in private. that is the point of this post
He doesn't have a duty to you nor this subverse for that matter to any private voat user. He has a duty to denounce publicly what he considers could endanger the majority of this community. He is in fact extending an denunciation for the well being of this community.
You have a duty to rebuke his evidence in argumentative way and prove the sources you have used are not suspicious. Any of us would welcome that any time.
You have a duty to rebuke his evidence in argumentative way and prove the sources you have used are not suspicious. Any of us would welcome that any time.
i saw shit in the v/new listings, it looked interesting, i posted it, what fucking explanation are you expecting?
Well then this proves that you without intention shared a suspicious link or something that could harm the wellbeing of this community.
It doesn't prove that the link wasn't suspicious.
I am trying to help you man. I understand your frustration as well as any other user that was announced to be a suspect for the same issue. But you need to approach this differently or you will be digging your own whole.
As I said, whether you know it was suspicious or not is besides the point.
bullshit. you just said this.
Being a suspect doesn't mean that you are guilty of anything, it just means that we are to be more careful when dealing with you or when checking what you post.
sure fucking seems like just another way of saying "presumed guilty"
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sguevar ago
Could you please show references to the claim you are making. I need context to believe a man's word.
theoldones ago
https://voat.co/v/ProtectVoat/3001782
below is the part where he shows metrics and attached is a blatant suspect list for each
https://voat.co/v/ProtectVoat/3001782/16431113/10
sguevar ago
Just checked most of his postings and what I don't understand is what you are claiming here.
He gives posts and evidence of his claims himself but your assertions towards his intentions are vague.
So my question to you is have you checked all of the posts that he has made and double check them?
Here is the deal, usually when someone is giving desinformation they tend to keep their claims vague and also provide conflicting evidence to their claims which then make their assertions fall apart.
When someones looks to proof his point clearly, provides as much evidence that corroborate to the best of their capabilities what they are warning about.
None of the posts that he has done contradict in any way what he is stating: Some users use multiple sources that are proven to be fake news sources and that could have hidden personal interests in the middle of their postings, hidden. Which in fact makes them suspects of the matter. Not guilty. Being a suspect doesn't mean that you are guilty of anything, it just means that we are to be more careful when dealing with you or when checking what you post.
However your post is vague and your reference contradicts what you are saying in your vague comments which means that this complaint of yours is superficial and without substance.
Don't take me wrong, not trying to offend you, but it does seem that you have taken the matter personally against him, whilst he is just being objective, as I am being now, in his denunciations.
So in conclusion, I don't agree with your post. Thanks for leading me to the compendium of evidence he provided though.
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theoldones ago
assumed guilty then. oh joy
can you fucking see the root of my question then?
dontforgetaboutevil ago
Frankly old ones. There is enough evidence in madworld's post to accomplish your arrest and scheduling you for a trial. I'm carrying your guilty until proven innocent analogy to it's conclusion here.
This stuff Madworld is exposing is fishy as fuck. You have basically been caught red fucking handed and now you try and defend yourself with some goddamned sophistry.
theoldones ago
red handed doing what?
i see interesting information, i post it, time goes by, what fuck do i give, and then now i suddenly get accused of being a shill. what the fuck are the charges on me.
sguevar ago
I can see it, but again you haven't been proven to be guilty, you have been proven to use suspicious sources. That is it. Whether your intention was to desinform or not that is another matter for it is too hard to prove that. But users should be more cautious to see the links that you used in the past.
theoldones ago
I SEE THAT I'M ASSUMED GUILTY THEN.
do you fucking see why i'm pissed about this yet?
sguevar ago
I do see why you are pissed off .
But your approach doesn't help your case. Do you see why I say this yet?
theoldones ago
and what fucking approach should i be using? laying down, being quiet, letting my good name get trampled on?
i fucking look here one day to see i have an accusation thrown at my fucking face, and i'm being expected to say why i posted something that i found interesting, and now my fucking reputation is to just be tarnished, as people think i'm some sort of shill, because one fucking guy drops that shit on my doorstep?
@MadWorld you'd better get the fuck in this argument before the dumpster fire grows too large. i know how to make those grow real fucking large
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sguevar ago
I didn't say that ever. I provided you an example of what I would of done: "For example argue the evidence he is providing that show the sources you have used are fake or suspicious."
I for once would research further on why the site is considered suspicious, how could the site harm the community, etc. Then if I find no evidence of that argue why the site is not harmful. This is what I mean. argue your stance in a different way instead of ranting.
theoldones ago
looking for signs such as...?
sguevar ago
Can't say, I am not in your position. But I would use his evidence to see why it is considered as suspicious and try to argue why it is not the case using it against his denunciation.
theoldones ago
intent and involvement is the question that's being brought into question.
sguevar ago
You already showed you didn't know as you don't know what to look for to argue against his evidence nor "saw a sign" om what you shared.
Here you show you had no intention of damaging Voat.
However you didn't show that it wasn't a suspicious source hence you did use one.
In conclusion one has to be careful to check your posts as you don't always know if the sources you use are suspicious or not.
But im addition you could say that as it was brought to your attention the suspicious nature of the source you previously used, you will abstein from using it again.
See what I mean?
theoldones ago
oh so now i'm fucking suspicious then i see. THAT'S WHAT I AINT FUCKING TAKING LYING DOWN HERE
i'd be putting more interest in his findings, but i just got shoved with that shit, how the fuck can i even be a neutral party in this now. no, i fucking cant. i'm being obligated to defend myself and thus i cannot take his finding to be neutral to me.
sguevar ago
You need to think objectively.
I agree you aren't lying about the fact that you didn't have any ill intention.
This is why you need to be calmer in this case to help your case.
Once are calmed you can see that the matter is not personal because he denounced several users of posting suspicious links.
His objective was to identify the possible threats (links) and possible suspects that could spread them with ill intentions. You just ruled you out of those ill intentions and show yourself as collateral of the others. You see what I mean?
This is why is better to see this type of situation with a cold mind.
sguevar ago
Thanks, will check it now.
theoldones ago
i just had to ping about 18 other users and i may have to add more. there's a fair amount of people he just blamed for being involved.
sguevar ago
But here is the deal, he is entitled to consider someone a suspect.
The fact that he considers you a suspect or others for that matter doesn't make you guilty. That is why I am not treating you as an agent of desinformation. One can always be blind to the fact that the source one is using is fake news.
I understand your discomfort, but as he is making his denunciation publicly with evidence of the matter you also have a right to defend yourself publicly. No one is accusing you of being guilty, he is however accusing you of being a suspect.
theoldones ago
AND I'M ENTITLED TO OBJECT AS I'M FALSELY ACCUSED. i aint fucking fucking happy about being considered guilty, and anyone that tells me to think of this as no big deal can fuck off
you yourself just said:
this means assumed guilty. this means the reupations of inncoent users may jave just been damaged
instead of PMing each of us and asking first, he made the accusation first, and he just lost the chance to do this in private. that is the point of this post
sguevar ago
I agree, I said that. However my approach would be different. For example argue the evidence he is providing that show the sources you have used are fake or suspicious.
You didn't do that, you simply externalise a complaint which we can appreciate but if you provide no argumentation at all or show why your sources are not suspicious then your complaint just becomes a simple rant.
No one is character assassinating you. And no, it doesn't mean you are assumed to be guilty. You are assumed to use suspicious sources, whether knowingly or not is besides the point.
He doesn't have a duty to you nor this subverse for that matter to any private voat user. He has a duty to denounce publicly what he considers could endanger the majority of this community. He is in fact extending an denunciation for the well being of this community.
You have a duty to rebuke his evidence in argumentative way and prove the sources you have used are not suspicious. Any of us would welcome that any time.
theoldones ago
i saw shit in the v/new listings, it looked interesting, i posted it, what fucking explanation are you expecting?
sguevar ago
Well then this proves that you without intention shared a suspicious link or something that could harm the wellbeing of this community.
It doesn't prove that the link wasn't suspicious.
I am trying to help you man. I understand your frustration as well as any other user that was announced to be a suspect for the same issue. But you need to approach this differently or you will be digging your own whole.
theoldones ago
and what fucking sign was i to have it was suspicious?
sguevar ago
As I said, whether you know it was suspicious or not is besides the point.
The fact that you use the site still remains.
But you are here showing that you had no intention. That is it.
theoldones ago
bullshit. you just said this.
sure fucking seems like just another way of saying "presumed guilty"
sguevar ago
Ehm this doesn't contradict what I said...
theoldones ago
your words. not mine. we in fact, do have a contradiction here.
sguevar ago
Not at all but you are reading what you want out of anger instead of seeing that I am trying to help you. That is on you.
theoldones ago
YES I AM FUCKING ANGRY HOW COULD YOU TELL
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sguevar ago
(G.G)''' hope you are able to inderstand my points when you calm yourself. You are behaving like a kid here and should add, entitled one...
theoldones ago
and how in the precise fuck should i be acting?
sguevar ago
Already gave you the advise several times. Can't help you morr than already have.
Have a good day.