But here is the deal, he is entitled to consider someone a suspect.
The fact that he considers you a suspect or others for that matter doesn't make you guilty. That is why I am not treating you as an agent of desinformation. One can always be blind to the fact that the source one is using is fake news.
I understand your discomfort, but as he is making his denunciation publicly with evidence of the matter you also have a right to defend yourself publicly. No one is accusing you of being guilty, he is however accusing you of being a suspect.
But here is the deal, he is entitled to consider someone a suspect.
AND I'M ENTITLED TO OBJECT AS I'M FALSELY ACCUSED. i aint fucking fucking happy about being considered guilty, and anyone that tells me to think of this as no big deal can fuck off
you yourself just said:
Being a suspect doesn't mean that you are guilty of anything, it just means that we are to be more careful when dealing with you or when checking what you post.
this means assumed guilty. this means the reupations of inncoent users may jave just been damaged
instead of PMing each of us and asking first, he made the accusation first, and he just lost the chance to do this in private. that is the point of this post
AND I'M ENTITLED TO OBJECT AS I'M FALSELY ACCUSED. i aint fucking fucking happy about being considered guilty, and anyone that tells me to think of this as no big deal can fuck off
I agree, I said that. However my approach would be different. For example argue the evidence he is providing that show the sources you have used are fake or suspicious.
You didn't do that, you simply externalise a complaint which we can appreciate but if you provide no argumentation at all or show why your sources are not suspicious then your complaint just becomes a simple rant.
this means assumed guilty. this means the reputations of innocent users may have just been damaged
No one is character assassinating you. And no, it doesn't mean you are assumed to be guilty. You are assumed to use suspicious sources, whether knowingly or not is besides the point.
instead of PMing each of us and asking first, he made the accusation first, and he just lost the chance to do this in private. that is the point of this post
He doesn't have a duty to you nor this subverse for that matter to any private voat user. He has a duty to denounce publicly what he considers could endanger the majority of this community. He is in fact extending an denunciation for the well being of this community.
You have a duty to rebuke his evidence in argumentative way and prove the sources you have used are not suspicious. Any of us would welcome that any time.
You have a duty to rebuke his evidence in argumentative way and prove the sources you have used are not suspicious. Any of us would welcome that any time.
i saw shit in the v/new listings, it looked interesting, i posted it, what fucking explanation are you expecting?
Well then this proves that you without intention shared a suspicious link or something that could harm the wellbeing of this community.
It doesn't prove that the link wasn't suspicious.
I am trying to help you man. I understand your frustration as well as any other user that was announced to be a suspect for the same issue. But you need to approach this differently or you will be digging your own whole.
As I said, whether you know it was suspicious or not is besides the point.
bullshit. you just said this.
Being a suspect doesn't mean that you are guilty of anything, it just means that we are to be more careful when dealing with you or when checking what you post.
sure fucking seems like just another way of saying "presumed guilty"
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sguevar ago
Could you please show references to the claim you are making. I need context to believe a man's word.
theoldones ago
https://voat.co/v/ProtectVoat/3001782
below is the part where he shows metrics and attached is a blatant suspect list for each
https://voat.co/v/ProtectVoat/3001782/16431113/10
sguevar ago
Thanks, will check it now.
theoldones ago
i just had to ping about 18 other users and i may have to add more. there's a fair amount of people he just blamed for being involved.
sguevar ago
But here is the deal, he is entitled to consider someone a suspect.
The fact that he considers you a suspect or others for that matter doesn't make you guilty. That is why I am not treating you as an agent of desinformation. One can always be blind to the fact that the source one is using is fake news.
I understand your discomfort, but as he is making his denunciation publicly with evidence of the matter you also have a right to defend yourself publicly. No one is accusing you of being guilty, he is however accusing you of being a suspect.
theoldones ago
AND I'M ENTITLED TO OBJECT AS I'M FALSELY ACCUSED. i aint fucking fucking happy about being considered guilty, and anyone that tells me to think of this as no big deal can fuck off
you yourself just said:
this means assumed guilty. this means the reupations of inncoent users may jave just been damaged
instead of PMing each of us and asking first, he made the accusation first, and he just lost the chance to do this in private. that is the point of this post
sguevar ago
I agree, I said that. However my approach would be different. For example argue the evidence he is providing that show the sources you have used are fake or suspicious.
You didn't do that, you simply externalise a complaint which we can appreciate but if you provide no argumentation at all or show why your sources are not suspicious then your complaint just becomes a simple rant.
No one is character assassinating you. And no, it doesn't mean you are assumed to be guilty. You are assumed to use suspicious sources, whether knowingly or not is besides the point.
He doesn't have a duty to you nor this subverse for that matter to any private voat user. He has a duty to denounce publicly what he considers could endanger the majority of this community. He is in fact extending an denunciation for the well being of this community.
You have a duty to rebuke his evidence in argumentative way and prove the sources you have used are not suspicious. Any of us would welcome that any time.
theoldones ago
i saw shit in the v/new listings, it looked interesting, i posted it, what fucking explanation are you expecting?
sguevar ago
Well then this proves that you without intention shared a suspicious link or something that could harm the wellbeing of this community.
It doesn't prove that the link wasn't suspicious.
I am trying to help you man. I understand your frustration as well as any other user that was announced to be a suspect for the same issue. But you need to approach this differently or you will be digging your own whole.
theoldones ago
and what fucking sign was i to have it was suspicious?
sguevar ago
As I said, whether you know it was suspicious or not is besides the point.
The fact that you use the site still remains.
But you are here showing that you had no intention. That is it.
theoldones ago
bullshit. you just said this.
sure fucking seems like just another way of saying "presumed guilty"
sguevar ago
Ehm this doesn't contradict what I said...
theoldones ago
your words. not mine. we in fact, do have a contradiction here.
sguevar ago
Not at all but you are reading what you want out of anger instead of seeing that I am trying to help you. That is on you.
theoldones ago
YES I AM FUCKING ANGRY HOW COULD YOU TELL
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sguevar ago
(G.G)''' hope you are able to inderstand my points when you calm yourself. You are behaving like a kid here and should add, entitled one...
theoldones ago
and how in the precise fuck should i be acting?
sguevar ago
Already gave you the advise several times. Can't help you morr than already have.
Have a good day.