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SGM11Z ago

Yeah, I posted that. Can't sign anything there so I put my profile pic. Ya'll are a sensitive bunch, aren't ya?

And you act like you don't do the same goddamn thing. What's v/PtotectVoat all about then? And why are so many new people, including myself at one point, way into the negatives on CCP?

You old fuckers may not remember but on your so called "free speech" forum, you muzzle everyone who signs up. I'm fine with earning your way in but when you downvote someone below zero, they get 10 comments a day. And no ability to fight back with downvotes of their own until they get 100. You downvote someone into the -100s their account is unusable without a lot of effort that most people don't have time for. "You can say whatever you want as long as the oldgoats approve" is really whats going on. I get it. Its an effective tool to block spam. But you assholes have weaponized it to shut people down like Neon Revolt, SerialBrain2 and all the GA mods, and a whole bunch of other people who are clearly not bots or spammers. If you want to shame people for vote farming, I'm all for that, too. But don't put a person in jail because you don't like what they say. Isn't that what free speech is really about?

I clearly said it wasn't all of you. Most of you are good people. And I posted this before @Puttitout or @kevdude extended their olive branch. If ya'll wanna continue on this path of peace, then I will too, but if you want war, I'm not afraid of that either.

@Mumbleberry why not ping me? Did you think I wouldn't find out? Did I just publish a page out of your playbook? Is that why your panties are knotted up?

@MrPim @plankO @Broc_lia Did I forget anyone?

MrPim ago

Once again, "none of this is my fault, it's all these old fags". Fuck off. I've given you maybe 10 DVs. It was You who started this thread because you thought my threat empty. I extended a personal olive branch In That Thread. You won't drop it, you won't own any responsibility. And I'm done talking to you. Go back to Reddit grandma

SGM11Z ago

You mean this olive branch?

And, because we're on Voat soil, goats always win this battle. You guys Can Not logistically win.

10 DV? So how did I go from over 100 to -100. Who went into my past comments (ouside TA) and downvoted those too?

Remember I told you not underestimate my resolve. I'm just playing the same game you are.

You might also notice that I haven't downvoted anyone. I had a change of heart after posting that on 8chan, although I still think it's valuable for people to know how this site works. Some things are getting better. Some still need work. But I'm thinking things might work out so I'll give it a shot. I will give the same respect that I get.

MrPim ago

Many other people DVd you because you're an obnoxious retard. No I'm not going to go back through that thread and show you where I tried to be friendly if your to dumb to remember it. Too disingenuous is more likely.

Your resolve? To do what exactly? Alienate even more people? I'm going to tell you something you won't listen to just like you thought my threat was hollow. You Can Not Win This Battle.

Now fuck off back to Jerusalem Shlomo.

SGM11Z ago

Oh, I remember you trying to be friendly...while you and your buttbuddies downvoted me to more than -100. A bit two faced are we?

It's not a battle, for fucks sake. Just leave me alone and I'll leave you alone. How about that?

MrPim ago

I have not DVd you since that point. Believe what you wish, but that is the truth. What others do isn't my bidness

SGM11Z ago

I believe you. You turned out to be just less than a cretin. Props for that. It's not you that's the problem. The problem is the attitude that about 10 of you have that it's OK to send someone to downvote jail when you claim to be a free speech website.

Rainy-Day-Dream ago

you can still post comments if you have no CCP, and people have to see what you're saying in the first place to downvoat it, also downvoating is itself a feature that gives voice to the users and let's them have agency over the site. Downvoats are not censorship, you can say what you want but people are allowed to disagree with you and there's nothing wrong with that. If you keep doing things the users disagree with like power modding and upvoat farming to the point you're in the negatives that's more a consequence of your own actions than anything else

SGM11Z ago

I've been over this alot today with different users. You're civil, so at least you deserve a response.

I'm not saying downvotes, per se, are censorship, but when a person gets into the -100's it is. And when a bunch of you get together to downvote 10 or 15 comments 10 or 15 times for no reason other than to bully someone, it restricts that person's ability to respond.

Yes, you still get 10 comments per day, but when those comments are met with constant downvotes it only serves as further restriction of speech. Add to that most refugees do not have 100 CCP to fight back with their own downvotes, and many are afraid to upvote lest their own accounts die a miserable death, you have a perfect storm whereby 10 or 15 old goats decide who speaks and who doesn't. Feel free to disagree in comments all day long. Shame and make fun of whomever you wish. But continuing to downvote past -10 is excessive and unnecessary.

Rainy-Day-Dream ago

but when a person gets into the -100's it is.

this situation doesn't exist in a void though, if it's a reaction to the things they do like upvoat farming then it's more their own fault than anything. Especially as they repeat and compound these kinds of behavior

for no reason other than to bully someone

where is this happening exactly? show me someone in the negatives that did nothing wrong and their downvoating was non-organic

Yes, you still get 10 comments per day

so not censored

but when those comments are met with constant downvotes it only serves as further restriction of speech

it's almost like you should use your comments wisely or something and organically build up a healthy CCP by actually contributing to discussions on the rest of the site.

Add to that most refugees do not have 100 CCP to fight back with their own downvotes

actual US immigration laws also are set up to favor existing citizens over immigrants, I see no problem with this.

you have a perfect storm whereby 10 or 15 old goats decide who speaks and who doesn't.

you'll still have those 10 comments no matter how much you get downvoated, we also deport legal immigrants that break the law so I see no problem with people being held accountable for their actions in this way.

Shame and make fun of whomever you wish

I will

But continuing to downvote past -10 is excessive and unnecessary.

I downvoat comments and posts I feel deserve downvoats, nothing more nothing less. You're literally arguing against me using avalible means to judge people by their actions and the things they say.

SGM11Z ago

This is a post I have linked before.

The first comment is my previous link with an explanation.

Also notice anytime OP engaged in the comments, even though the comment was civil and reasonable (though easy to disagree with) it was met with 15 or so downvotes. This would be fine if everyone were on equal footing. But this person and many others are not. It's like being in a paintball fight with 2k balls of paint against someone with 10.

Now, because of the sheer audacity of OP to dare challenge old goat "culture" they are -94 and haven't been back. Was their free speech protected here?

This is the same tactic used by SJW's when Milo comes to speak at their college. This is what you're proud of?

Rainy-Day-Dream ago

where the proof this isn't organic though? I could easily see 39 goats organically disagreeing with that nonsense.

This would be fine if everyone were on equal footing.

life ain't fair. Citizens get preference over immigrants because they've earned it like anyone can. You have equality of opportunity shared with every other person that joins the site, outcomes however just like in real life will be unequal do to personal actions and decisions.

Now, because of the sheer audacity of OP to dare challenge old goat "culture" they are -94 and haven't been back. Was their free speech protected here?

the post itself is attacking the concept of free speech. "freedom to offend" is covered by the 1st amendment this has been affirmed by the supreme count multiple times as recently as last year with Matal v. Tam. Offensive speech is free speech. The culture being protected here isn't voat's it's america's, maybe OP should've read the fucking constitution if he considers himself any kind of patriot.

This is the same tactic used by SJW's when Milo comes to speak at their college. This is what you're proud of?

how? he was still able to speak and comment, no one prevented him from making that post. Your tactics are the same as feminists when they argue that women aren't responsible for any of their actions or decisions when they get raped or pregnant. Actions have consequences.

SGM11Z ago

Shutting down or limiting speech you disagree with for any reason or by any method is, by definition, not free.

Rainy-Day-Dream ago

again you keep trying to blame others, but that faggot was asking for it. Like a woman getting drunk and wearing a skimpy dress in a bad neighborhood at night, the result was inevitable and a result of his own decisions. You keep trying to imply that people here are using the voating system as a deliberate censorship tool, but has it ever occurred to you that they're just using the voting system as a voting system and your little pal earned those downvoats organically?

SGM11Z ago

I'm not blaming anyone. It's fine if you want to run a website that limits free speech. Just be honest about it.

I'm sure the goats that downvoted OP thought he deserved it. That's not the point. The SJW's outside Milo's speech thinks he deserves it too....I'm sure they also think that Milo was asking for it. That doesn't make it's right and it damn sure aint free speech.

has it ever occurred to you that they're just using the voting system as a voting system

I'm sure that is what they think they are doing. They also think they are free speech warriors. Just like the SJW's think they are doing the right thing. Everybody thinks they are doing the right thing. That doesn't mean that it is the right thing.

Rainy-Day-Dream ago

I'm not blaming anyone.

you're blaming everyone but the user himself for the reaction to his own posts and comments.

It's fine if you want to run a website that limits free speech.

we don't, if anything it limits people who refuse to participate in the broader site and earn CCP in an honest way. None of you would be having any problems if the first thing you did on voat was go to v/all and meaningfully participate in discussions here, both 10 and 100 CCP are excessively easy to earn even in just 10 comments if you go about it in a normal way, everyone else had to do this and so do the lot of you.

Just be honest about it.

you're honestly a faggot.

I'm sure the goats that downvoted OP thought he deserved it.

he did and they have a right to use the voating system to voice their opinions about it.

That's not the point.

that is my point and has been all along, the 1st amendment and the principals behind it protect our right to say things that offend the lot of you.

The SJW's outside Milo's speech thinks he deserves it too....I'm sure they also think that Milo was asking for it.

this is such a flimsy comparison, I guess trump actually is hitler since they both focused on infrastructure.

That doesn't make it's right and it damn sure aint free speech.

you lot clearly have no idea what free speech means despite the fact that the full text of the constitution, as well as the federalist papers and the other writings and words of our founding fathers, and details about supreme court decisions related to the first amendment are all publicly available. It's your own faults you don't understand the concept, you're not real patriots.

I'm sure that is what they think they are doing

and they're right

They also think they are free speech warriors.

I really doubt anyone on here sees it that way, we're mostly just US citizens who want a site where we can say what we want to freely. You faggots want a different kind of site but we aren't willing to give this one up.

Just like the SJW's think they are doing the right thing. Everybody thinks they are doing the right thing. That doesn't mean that it is the right thing.

so who is the arbiter of what is actually "the right thing" I rely on the US constitution and the writings of the founding fathers, and more recently the supreme court. Do you really think a brainlet retard like yourself is a better source of moral judgement?

SGM11Z ago

We were doing so well, too.

No, I am not an arbiter of moral justice. I'm not a cow, either, but I know bullshit when I see it. I also know how to "legitimately" earn CCP (who's the arbiter of moral justice now?) I also know quite a bit about Constitutional Law, the Federalist Papers, the principles of our Founding Fathers and USSC decisions. But every 2nd grader knows what "free" means in this context and knows that when it is limited it is not free. Nobody needs a PHD here.

Go on and use your downvotes as you see fit. I'm not trying to suggest you should do otherwise. I will use mine too. That is how this system was set up and we all just work with what we have. But when you downvote someone below 10 CCP, you limit their speech. If you want people to "earn" their speech by saying things the herd agrees with, it's fine by me, but it's not free (hence the "earning" part). This is not a difficult concept.

Rainy-Day-Dream ago

I'm not a cow

oh trust me, you actually are. The term just has a different meaning for some but I'm sure you'll find out on 8chan.

I also know how to "legitimately" earn CCP

just use the fucking website, occasionally leave the Q subverses and comment and you'd all have been fine

Constitutional Law, the Federalist Papers, the principles of our Founding Fathers and USSC decisions.

right so you understand that freedom of speech does include the freedom to offend.

knows that when it is limited it is not free.

I guess immigrants to the US aren't as free as it's citizens. I don't really care tbh.

Go on and use your downvotes as you see fit.

I will, and so will others, and it's a freedom of ours to do so.

I will use mine too.

go ahead, but you'll get shit if you try to brigade people like you were trying to organize on 8chan.

But when you downvote someone below 10 CCP, you limit their speech.

well they ought to put more thought into what they post, it's not my fault that they're retarded. If I see something I feel I should downvoat it's getting that downvoat and I'm not going to check their CCP score first. They limit their own speech by being retarded.

If you want people to "earn" their speech by saying things the herd agrees with

it's not about "things the herd agrees with" I upvoat people all the time who I disagree with or don't necessarily agree with. It's about making good comment s and posts that add to the discussion and/or subverse as well as not being retarded and doing dumb annoying shit like a redditor.

it's not free (hence the "earning" part).

what about the whole refugees from another site don't you get? are constitutional rights earned by legal immigrants for going through the naturalization process not the free rights their creator endowed them with? The US government doesn't protect the rights of every person on earth so to does Voat not protect the rights of people on other websites. If we were talking about mexicans or muslims I'm sure you could grasp how important integration and respecting the rules of your host are, but since your the dirty migrant now it's gimme gimme gimme.

This is not a difficult concept.

it really isn't, which is why I don't get how you're struggling so much with it