Hi guys!
I was having a discussion with resident shill @kevdude in PMs about free speech on Voat and thought it was worth asking all of you to join. So here goes!
It's 2015: SJW time
Some of you might remember when Voat was in alpha, back in 2015. The SJWs moved in as Ellen Gong Phat Pao was doing the dirty work on Reddit and people were migrating over here. As you know, SJWs always follow to censor the free exchange of ideas. A little cunt in particular by the name of 'she' was quickly raking in mod positions. AskVoat - the most active verse at the time - was being censored left and right.
SJWs are like parasites: if you have something valuable, they'll try to suck the blood out of it
At the time, the culture here was still mirroring Reddit. At the same time, Voat was set to be the next big thing. We made PV to run the SJWs out of town by making sure they wouldn't have a quiet moment until free speech was guaranteed here. We won a lot of short-term battles then, and the likes of 'she' are nowhere to be found as verse owners.
I stopped believing in higher ideals. I think you have to fight fire with fire napalm
What ultimately made me leave PV was a strong disagreement between myself and another moderator on one side and @kevdude and @crensch on the other. I've later understood I'd run into the same problem over and over again:
I don't believe in free speech unless the playing field is level. I now believe you have to fight the SJWs (and other parasites who want to control other people's lives) by beating them with their own weapons first. Then, when everyone sees the value of free exchange of ideas, you can have that.
Voat is not a level playing field. And it's losing, big time
The current rules of the site (still) allow for shills and brigaders to push agendas into common spaces. Meanwhile, it seems what was ultimately a free speech place made itself irrelevant by allowing drama to take over where the SJWs left off. Voat is much less relevant today than it was in 2015.
If ProtectVoat is really here to protect Voat, we should set a new direction
We started this discussion before the recent blackout. It highlighted its necessity, though. If there is to be a Voat that does something other than provide a place to yell kikeniggerfaggot in (with no clout beyond our own reach whatsoever), I think it's time for major change. As of 2018, I would personally think a place like PV should support and fight for something else. Because the game is rigged anyway.
- I don't believe whatever drama group (including this one) should set the rules for niche subverses.
- I believe verse owners should have the right to moderate as they see fit, as long as there's at least five-ten non-moderated general interest verses.
- I believe Protect Voat should actively fight to have a full-time admin overseeing that the site isn't manipulated.
- I believe Nazis and SJWs are two sides of the same coin (people who want to control others' lives) and should be treated alike
- I think Voat could do so much more to advance universal ideas of freedom - at all levels from universities to global institutions - if verses were allowed to run with frameworks set by verse owners.
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Nerobot ago
Do you want to be remodded here?
Scandinavian ago
At this point, no.
Nerobot ago
Look Atko noped out of here a while ago. The money is running out. Puttitout cant handle this on his own either. Unless we get another mass migration with a sustainable income, Voat is living on borrowed time.
Unless you are sole owner here and build up this sub back up with decent people who believe in free speech for all then the game is over. The current owners don't. They own both pizzagate ad PV? How is a complaint from there going to work?
Scandinavian ago
Thanks for the implicit vote of confidence. I do believe in free speech for all, and I do believe Voat got more than one pretty unique chance to become the free speech exchange of ideas.
It didn't happen. Largely due to management incompetence in the beginning and later on, that incompetence manifested itself as a dead end community.
Real talk for a second: you can't build a site with a critical mass based on people who don't build anything themselves. SJWs creep in and take over already established platforms. So far, I haven't seen Nazis do anything but the same. There's no forward movement. It's miserable people going in circles. We get it, you don't like the Jews. Now what?
Look at the people who have fun. /pol/ is fun, but they don't take anything too seriously. Regular right-wingers are a pretty mischievous bunch, they're fun on occasion, too.
Does Voat seem fun? Not really. It's not like you open Voat to see the goats trolled Youtube and now tranny-Susan has to make a statement titled Why I'm Not An Alien or something. No, you see the same OMG SHE'S A KIKE posts about Youtube's CEO and that's it. Snooze.
You never win if you can't attract people. And I hate to be the one breaking it to the loudmouths here, but what Voat's selling at the moment, nobody's buying.
Add a completely incompetent admin and you have a white South African on your hands: no future, get out.
Nerobot ago
I agree and this linked thread sums it all up. https://voat.co/v/technology/2510197 It's a post about a guy who's pissed off at Widows 10 updating at the worst time. It's a light-hearted troll thread most can relate to. Now check the second top-rated comment. No fun allowed.
Scandinavian ago
Jesus christ, hahahaha. All that comment said was 'nobody takes me to clubs, so you shouldn't go either'. Poor thing.