Hi guys!
I was having a discussion with resident shill @kevdude in PMs about free speech on Voat and thought it was worth asking all of you to join. So here goes!
It's 2015: SJW time
Some of you might remember when Voat was in alpha, back in 2015. The SJWs moved in as Ellen Gong Phat Pao was doing the dirty work on Reddit and people were migrating over here. As you know, SJWs always follow to censor the free exchange of ideas. A little cunt in particular by the name of 'she' was quickly raking in mod positions. AskVoat - the most active verse at the time - was being censored left and right.
SJWs are like parasites: if you have something valuable, they'll try to suck the blood out of it
At the time, the culture here was still mirroring Reddit. At the same time, Voat was set to be the next big thing. We made PV to run the SJWs out of town by making sure they wouldn't have a quiet moment until free speech was guaranteed here. We won a lot of short-term battles then, and the likes of 'she' are nowhere to be found as verse owners.
I stopped believing in higher ideals. I think you have to fight fire with fire napalm
What ultimately made me leave PV was a strong disagreement between myself and another moderator on one side and @kevdude and @crensch on the other. I've later understood I'd run into the same problem over and over again:
I don't believe in free speech unless the playing field is level. I now believe you have to fight the SJWs (and other parasites who want to control other people's lives) by beating them with their own weapons first. Then, when everyone sees the value of free exchange of ideas, you can have that.
Voat is not a level playing field. And it's losing, big time
The current rules of the site (still) allow for shills and brigaders to push agendas into common spaces. Meanwhile, it seems what was ultimately a free speech place made itself irrelevant by allowing drama to take over where the SJWs left off. Voat is much less relevant today than it was in 2015.
If ProtectVoat is really here to protect Voat, we should set a new direction
We started this discussion before the recent blackout. It highlighted its necessity, though. If there is to be a Voat that does something other than provide a place to yell kikeniggerfaggot in (with no clout beyond our own reach whatsoever), I think it's time for major change. As of 2018, I would personally think a place like PV should support and fight for something else. Because the game is rigged anyway.
- I don't believe whatever drama group (including this one) should set the rules for niche subverses.
- I believe verse owners should have the right to moderate as they see fit, as long as there's at least five-ten non-moderated general interest verses.
- I believe Protect Voat should actively fight to have a full-time admin overseeing that the site isn't manipulated.
- I believe Nazis and SJWs are two sides of the same coin (people who want to control others' lives) and should be treated alike
- I think Voat could do so much more to advance universal ideas of freedom - at all levels from universities to global institutions - if verses were allowed to run with frameworks set by verse owners.
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Crensch ago
Not currently interested in the rest of your post, but this really stood out.
Explain how this isn't a false-equivalence, and then explain how "Nazis" want to control others' lives.
Scandinavian ago
Maybe you explain why it is?
Crensch ago
You're the one claiming the two are the same, yet give no reasoning. You also claim "Nazis" want to control others' lives.
Support your claims before asking someone else to dismiss them.
Scandinavian ago
To most it'll be fairly obvious, to others it might start a thought process they hadn't had before.
To you, it was a big insult that made you very offended, apparently. You go figure it out yourself.
Crensch ago
"My claims are self-evident, and don't need support." Got it.
"You're obviously too emotional here, so I don't have any reason to explain my words to you."
I remembered you being better than this.
Scandinavian ago
I supported it. I think SJWs and Nazis are two sides of the same coin who want to control other people's lives. You don't, that's fine.
Funny, I remember you being exactly as insufferable as this.
Crensch ago
No, you didn't.
That's not supporting your claim/beliefs, it's stating them. Do you know the difference between supporting and claiming?
Mind explaining why a user wanting to change Voat has submissions 2.2 years old on the first page of his submission list? 3 months old on the first page of your comments list, and 11 months old on the second page of your comments list.
You've contributed less to this website than many week-old usernames in the past 11 months. Why should anyone take you seriously here?
Scandinavian ago
They're free to or not to. However, the answer is exactly what authoritarians don't understand. They should read my words and see if they - on their own - give merit to my ideas.
If you only judge an argument on where it's coming from, you'll never be smarter. You're on a subverse I created, asking for my legitimacy? Bitch, please.
Crensch ago
You're like a week-old username asking people to read your wall of derp.
It's a pretty good filter for not wasting your time, checking account age/activity.
I'm pretty sure the real @Scandinavian would have thought that others might think his account bought. That you don't even mention it or suggest the idea suggests you think you can hide such a thing here. I don't believe any goat would ever think they could hide suspicious activity, or lack thereof.
Scandinavian ago
You do realize you're doing exactly what the SJWs do: judging an argument based on who's giving it, rather than the argument itself. Thanks for proving my point.
In reality, we all know you're just afraid other people will come to take your internet power away. Don't worry, Crensch. You'll make yourself irrelevant.
Laurentius_the_pyro ago
"oh no someone pointed out the critical flaws with my reasoning, better call them an SJW that'll show them"
Nice try.
Crensch ago
You do realize I gave you the opportunity to support your position, and instead you claimed it self-evident, like an SJW, right? You do realize that doing so prompted me to check your recent posting, right?
kek.
What power? The power to ask you to defend your position, then the power to investigate when you act like you don't have to, but also act like you belong here?
Sounds familiar, but not from @Scandinavian.
Laurentius_the_pyro ago
Notice how the voats in this thread completely reversed direction after the alts rolled in to voat manipulate this garbage "le horseshoe theory" propaganda up?
Crensch ago
Yeeep. Been noticing that kind of thing a lot lately.