I just spent a few days dissecting his utterly irrational form of argument in a comment thread. I did it originally as a form of trolling/entertainment. Initially i had assumed he was just a troll or an insanely paranoid person. But upon further discussion with him i have come to believe strongly that he is a shill attempting to disrupt the community by sowing distrust and strife among those of us here. If you are bored, like REALLY BORED, take a look at his and my comments in this thread. WARNING. this is a multi-day comment thread. i do not bore easily and i hate irrational cunts and shills a lot. https://voat.co/v/politics/1884872/9259040/10#9259040
The thread started because Tallest_Skil decided to adamantly claim that someone was a shill, someone who seemed to make a fair point. I replied that i didnt think making a fair point was proof someone was a shill. The resulting tirade against me from Tallest_Skil is what made me start to question the legitimacy of the account.
If you are bored, or want a nice breakdown of some really manipulative argument methods, take a look at the thread. I truly believe he is a shill here to cause strife. He could also easily just be a completely paranoid retard. But his "Misinterpret and Respond to the Misinterpretation" technique, as i have come to know it, where he removes all meaningful arguments and points from your statement with his misinterpretation and then responds to his own misinterpreted statement instead of yours is EXTREMELY MANIPULATIVE and strikes me very very much as something a shill would use to attempt to deflect from the truth without addressing it.
My only reason for posting this is to attempt to mitigate the damage that he might cause running around accusing people of being shills. That and to mitigate the amount of time that any other person might waste attempting to understand WTF is wrong with this retard. Would love to hear any other opinions or experiences with this fuck nut. Maybe im totally off base, but if he isnt a shill, he is totally fucking insane. that much i am 100% certain of. lol.
EDIT* here is a comment farther down in the thread, in this comment and especially immediately after it (in 3 comments all replied to a single comment of his) i actually start to break down the methods he is using in his responses to ignore any points made by anyone without actually having to legitimately address those points.
https://voat.co/v/politics/1884872/9361420/10#9361420
EDIT #2
Fucking redundant title. I guess ive stayed up a little too late playing cat and mouse with this shill cunt. Must be getting tired.
EDIT #3
I started using his "Misinterpret and Respond" technique about half way through because its the only fucking way to get a word in with the cunt because it is a manipulative method of argument that forces your point while ignoring theirs and the only way to make progress against someone using it is to use it against them. But unlike him i constantly make real points while using his nonsensical technique instead of just spouting off nonsense. So its an adaptation of his methods that can only be used when you arent a disruptive shill that is deliberately trying to avoid the truth or rational arguments in any way. But yeah, wanted to explain why you will see me doing that god awful misinterpret and respond shit. i fucking hate it. But hes difficult to make headway against otherwise.
TLDR; @Tallest_Skil is a manipulative cunt who argues in the most despicable and irrational of ways. I believe he is a shill attempting to sow discord among the users of voat.
markrod420 ago
Just so you know @Tallest_Skil i dont hate you when you make statements like a rational human being. Just thought i would share that with you in case you didnt see this.
Tallest_Skil ago
I hate you on principle, as you are an obvious paid shill who has no reading comprehension ability nor the courage to admit when he is wrong (because you’re paid not to).
markrod420 ago
Unlike you i acknowledge the contents of other peoples statements. So when someone came here linking statements from you that didnt contain your usual horse shit, i acknowledged that you were making real statements that werent at all along the lines of your normally manipulative tactics. Thats called being a rational reasonable adult. Something you do not and clearly will never comprehend.
Tallest_Skil ago
Which is why you refuse to answer the simplest possible questions posed of you, right, dipshit?
markrod420 ago
That is a patently false statement. Even more retardedly innaccurate than your usual statement. Ive never failed to answer any of your questions except the nonsensical ones like "why did you let your children die" which i ignore because its nonsense and ive never had any fucking children.
And yes, thats all fucking true "because i say it is" as you like to say. Oh also because thats clearly not what happened in oir conversation that is archived here you retarded lying cunt.
markrod420 ago
Alrighty. Well thats what i get for trying to be reasonable with an unreasonable cunt. Get hit by a bus you piece of shit fucking nigger. Did you even see my sibling comment to the one you replied to? Where i defended your statements because you made actual statements instead of just irrational horse shit...
Tallest_Skil ago
Cry harder, paid shill. No one gives a fuck. You outed yourself the second you said that your feelings were more important than fact.
markrod420 ago
Rofl you ignore all facts presented to you then pretend to care about fact. Fuck off you cunt. I tried to be reasonable when i saw you being reasonable. Now im just gonna continue trolling you accross this site until your CC ends up negative. Because it eventually will because you argue like a shill. I actually have come to think you are an insane person with severe paranoia issues. But you argue like a fucking shill and thats all that matters.
Tallest_Skil ago
Nah, kike, try harder, you autistic stalking, harassing faggot.
markrod420 ago
Well. Thats him saying that muslims faith is extremist by definition. Hes not irrationally calling people shills or misquoting them while ignoring what they actually say. So i dont think thats the same thing. Thats him sharing his assessment of reality, or so it would seem. Everyone has a right to their opinion and overall i would side with his opinion in this case. Muslim countries allow their crazy behavior because the majority of them do believe in or are accepting of that behavior and ideology.
markrod420 ago
Here @Tallest_Skil you ignorant fucking nigger... did you see the comment above this. The one where i defended your reasonable statements because you actually made reasonable statements for once. You cunt piece of nigger trash.
Tallest_Skil ago
I don’t give a flying fuck what a shill does. You’re a neurological mess. You’re unstable and a proven physical threat to those around you and who you claim to love.
markrod420 ago
Your level of "proof" is your insane paranoia deciding something is true. You retard.
First__Post_King ago
Amen, you tell that little delusional troll to fuck off
/u/Tallest_Skil
Go get an anal probe
https://voat.co/v/European/1811865/8868887
https://voat.co/v/European/1811868/8869659
https://voat.co/v/European/1812131/8870586
https://voat.co/v/European/1849473/9052471
https://voat.co/v/European/1849434/9052195
LOLOL
GUESS WHAT?
You got banned from v/European for being a shill
So much for trying to be a moderator there you stupid shill
Tallest_Skil ago
reported.
First__Post_King ago
REPORTED.
taIIest_skiI ago
reported.
markrod420 ago
Hes attempting to gain moderator permissions on subs? Now im really glad i made this post lol. Would hate for an insane shill like him to gain control of mod permissions.
First__Post_King ago
Moderator RamblinRambo told him to fuck off. And he started to throw a hissy fit about it. He said that the moderators were paid shills, he posted this around 10 to 20 days ago, but since he post so much, after 20 pages, the comment section just stop showing his comments.
markrod420 ago
Lol he is totally a shill trying to sow discord on voat. that or he is actually just a paranoid schizophrenic. Like a very severe one.
First__Post_King ago
He post every single day, he sounds like an angry disabled older individual, maybe retired who has nothing to do all day.
markrod420 ago
yeah. i go back and forth between shill and insane person. The thing that really makes me think shill is his surprisingly well honed technique of misinterpreting your statement, simultaneously removing all valid arguments from it, and then responding to his misinterpretation. Its a very very manipulative technique and it strikes me as a result of careful consideration not insanity. But i could be giving him way too much credit.
First__Post_King ago
He disprove himself at every turn, by calling people shill and telling people to drown themselves in semen and go kill themselves, nobody is going to take him seriously. He isn't sowing any discord, he's not influencing anyone, at most, he's just there, he exists to make his existence known. Even if nobody replies to him, he replied first, usually at the comment section. I'm sure he is very happy getting attention on Voat.
markrod420 ago
Fair point. He is so irrational that he certainly cant be very effective. Perhaps i have assessed incorrectly. Insane attention whore does seem like a more likely explanation when you consider that no one in their right mind would ever take him seriously and no one in their right mind would ever argue like him and expect to be taken seriously.
Tallest_Skil ago
I realize that it’s impossible for you–a person who has sold his ideological presence to the highest bidder–to comprehend the concept of morality and a higher calling, but for those you’re trying to infect with this bullshit (thanks for linking all the proof needed to out you as a shill, by the way), I’d like to call out your initial response, yet again, and question why you even replied to the faggot who thinks that morals don’t exist if you hadn’t yourself sold your children (or equivalent) down the river in the past. It wouldn’t matter to you unless you are A. that user on another account or B. a paid shill.
By calling people to hold truth above all else and to not be cowed by threats against you for saying truth. Right, because that’s what shills do, isn’t it?
Irony.
It’s called a strawman, dipshit. You’re well acquainted with all the forms of logical fallacy. You can’t hide it behind faux ignorance at this point.
I’d put that at a 5 by 5.
You mean like you did when I asked why you’d even defend the faggot who thinks that morals don’t exist? Again, either you sold your children (or equivalent) down the river in the past, are that user on another account or are a paid shill. It’s not that simple to comprehend. And yet you refuse to answer the question. Hmm.
You’re a shill. I drew you out to show everyone that you’re a shill. You got no words in. Well, no words for which you weren’t PAID, at least. That much is blatantly obvious. You’re a fucking nutcase.
Translation: WAAAAAA MOMMY THE GUY WHO HAS ACTUALLY READ THE COINTELPRO PLAYBOOK FOUND ME OUUUUUUUT! NOT FAIR!
Fun fact, dipshit. Projecting what you’re doing onto others only works when we don’t know that it’s how you operate. And the best part? Telling you this isn’t actually helping you be a better shill, because you will NEVER IMPROVE FROM THIS FORMULA.
Reported for fucking libel.
markrod420 ago
Okay, your first point. Somehow you have decided that your "higher calling" makes your nonsensical form of argument valid. It doesnt. You still remove all content from your opponents statements and then reply to a watered down version of their statements. Thats not a valid form of argument. As for why i responded to the original comment, its because i saw you screaming "SHILL" at everyone in sight and decided that you were the most likely shill i could see. So i decided to fuck with you and investigate further. It was never about defending the original comment, or even caring about it. It was always just about you because the things you say and the way you say them are so excessively irrational that i had to assume you were a shill because very few people are that crazy and have access to the internet.
Your second point. No, i agree with calling people to hold truth above all else. I do not agree with running around screaming shill at everyone and then disregarding any and all replies and just continuing to scream shill at them. As far as i can tell thats not holding truth above all else because you are irrationally disregarding any and all information that does not fit with your assumptions.
Your methods of arguing are excessively manipulative. I have broken them down in so many places, including in this post, that i wont bother to do that again. But yes, your excessively manipulative methods of argument. They are very plain to see for any rational person.
Your next point. I only began ignoring your points after you ignored DOZENS of points from me and i gave up on trying to give you enough respect to have a real conversation. Basically once i came to the full conclusion that you are a raging shill. Again this is very evident in the comment history i have linked.
Your next point. You drew me out, amusing. This isnt really a point. Its more of a dick size competition and i am uninterested. But im not a shill. So you definitely didnt show anyone anything. Also the slowly massing number of downvoats against you tells me that its quite obvious to everyone else who the shill here is... okay i guess i will participate in the dick size competition, since im winning that too.
Your last point. Im skipping the random all caps insult and moving to the actual point after it. You claim i am projecting what i do onto others. But if anyone goes and looks at the comment thread between us they will see the numerous times where i clearly cited you doing that. Such as demanding citation from me while literally saying to me "you have been outed as a shill, i wont say how" and also while accusing me of being flustered while clearly growing flustered yourself. Accusing me of making "no argument" while providing nothing but insults and misinterpretations for dozens of comments at a time. I think it is PAINFULLY obvious which of us is projecting our actions onto others to anyone other than you apparently.
As for your "reported for fucking libel" point... LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
Tallest_Skil ago
Learn what truth is.
You mean context, and no.
Said the paid shill.
You didn’t see that.
You were wrong, though. Why not just get over it, you autistic faggot?
And reported. Thanks for admitting to spam.
Zero evidence.
Proven false by your self-admitted behaviors.
Zero evidence.
Sure you have. Whatever you say, kiddo.
Right, and since you’re not rational, you can’t see what they actually say.
blah blah “it wasn’t me” blah blah “you did it first because i say so” blah blah Why would I give a shill the time of day?
You posted no points. After multiple direct confrontations on this matter, you posted no points. You have admitted that nothing you said had anything to do with the topic. You are a shill.
Again, thanks for discrediting yourself.
Says the faggot who was so autistically butt-blasted he made his own thread whining about being called out as a shill, even after he himself personally admits to behaving as shills do.
Keep saying it. Someone must believe you eventually!
“WAAAAAAAAA MOMMY MY REDDIT APPEAL TO MAJORITY MEANS YOU’RE WROOOOOOOOOOOOONG!”
Holy fuck, I was joking about the autism before, but I guess I was right.
See, this lets people know that you’re mentally ill. You can’t even fathom that there might be a reason you were mocked in this specific way.
...exactly what I said. Thanks for disproving yourself.
Reported.
markrod420 ago
Also, please keep saying you are reporting me. More than any of your irrational shit that one really makes me laugh. like really hard. we are on voat, the least regulated forum on the fucking internet. There is nothing to report me for you shill. And we are using an anonymous message board. I cant commit libel against your anonymous internet persona you fucking insane moron. So please, say you are reporting me again. its so much funnier than every other piece of nonsense you spout off because its just SO FUCKING IRRATIONAL. Cmon, say it again, please. Here i will slander you some more so you can report me to the Delaware internet libel commission you cock juggling sand nigger loving baby raping cunt.
Tallest_Skil ago
Talk about being sheltered.
Because you say so.
Because you say so.
Because you say so.
Because you say so.
Learn what words mean before you use them, shill.
markrod420 ago
Okay the least regulated one that has a functioning interface i can stand. Lol so funny when you fall back to nonsense and repitition because you are retarded. You didnt threaten to report me again. Im sad now :(
Tallest_Skil ago
You're both a goldmine of comedy and a look into the horrors of modern autism.
markrod420 ago
Oh snap. Someone created a version of you to come and talk shit to you. So meta. Such amuze. Much lulz
taIIest_skiI ago
Drown yourself in semen.
markrod420 ago
Rofl!! Nice
Dukeofboot ago
Four hour old account, first post is them trying to report someone as a shill.
Hmmmmm...
markrod420 ago
Its a parody of @Tallest_Skil. Hes not serious.
Dukeofboot ago
Go look at tallest_skil's profile.
markrod420 ago
Do you get what im saying now? The upper case one is a troll or shill that has existed for 2 years (or bought a 2 year old account) the lower case one was created by someone to fuck with the upper case one because he is an irrational shill. The lower case one is just repeating the upperbcase ones nonsense back to yhe upper case one.
markrod420 ago
There are two. @Tallest_Skil and @tallest_skil. The lowe case one was created to mock the upper case one. Who is a troll or shill. The lower case one is definitely just a troll.
Dukeofboot ago
Ah, yeah, I gotcha.
markrod420 ago
Yeah it fooled me at first too. Accidentally started tslking shit to the parody account. Rofl.
Dukeofboot ago
I mean, the very first comment of their brand new account was calling for a ban of an op with a two year old account. I've seen shills do the same thing before, so, I hoped over here not knowing wanting to call their ass out. Top knotch troll, if indeed it was.
markrod420 ago
Is definitely a troll. Idk who it is. But theres no way its a legit account. As a person who just spent like 5 days arguing with the 2 year old account who is a shill or troll, that new account is definitely parodying the 2 year one. And only comments to the 2 year old account.
markrod420 ago
Lol i could go back and find all the comments that prove all of this nonsense false. like the multiple times that i argued that the original commenter's comment did not make him a shill but just proned to sweeping generalizations. Go check it out if you want. its like the 3rd or 4th comment in the thread from me. It is a nice explanation of why the original guy was not necessarily a shill just because he made a point that @Tallest_skil didnt like. It was a well worded argument that @Tallest_Skil likes to pretend didnt exist. There were many well worded arguments that he likes to pretend didnt exist. I wont go over all these points again and waste my time proving him wrong which i have already done countless times. The evidence is in the posts, and here in his half assed response. Ive made my point. And its already quite clear that no one is falling for his horse shit anyway. You can sit and misinterpret and respond yourself to death shill. you wont beat me, you havent beaten me, and you never will. I embarrassed you from top to bottom in this thread and the previous one. Im satisfied that if ever there is a question as to your legitimacy as a user in the future i can point to these threads and provide all the evidence needed for any interested party that you are a complete piece of shit.
Tallest_Skil ago
Paid by the word.
markrod420 ago
Rofl! So glad you are resorting to your nonsense that makes you look entirely childish and retarded. :) no one pays me to use social media. I do it mostly to fuck with cunts like you at this point.
Tallest_Skil ago
markrod420 ago
Rofl. Its like watching a dead body twitch when you comment.
Tallest_Skil ago
Get psychiatric help immediately.
markrod420 ago
Its a metaphor you idiot. lol. Well technically a simile.
taIIest_skiI ago
Paid by the word.
Dukeofboot ago
Fuck off shill. No one is buying your shit.
Tallest_Skil ago
Please do report that account. It's impersonating me.
markrod420 ago
Woops wrong guy.
First__Post_King ago
You still need to get an anal probe today right now when the morning is still fresh
markrod420 ago
Honestly i think he might have an anal probe or two stuck up there. Might explain his cuntery.
markrod420 ago
I would go point by point through your comment, but upon reading it i see that i have already more than covered all of those points at one time or another during our previous conversation, which i have cited here with numerous links. Unlike you i am happy to provide evidence and citation of my statements. And not only after be called out for being a worthless shill. Ive been trying to have a real conversation the whole time.
Edit* actually i will go point by point over your comment. Dont have time for a couple hours this morning as monday is a busy morning for me. But i will be by in a couple hours to cover every single point you made, since for once you actually made a few.
Tallest_Skil ago
Aww, are you off the clock right now, shill?
markrod420 ago
Your constant "reporting for blah blah blah" alone is enough to make me think you are a shill. This is voat you cunt. Nothing ive said or done has been against the rules here. Not once. But as a shill attempting to destroy voat im sure you would love to try to get more rules put in place to try and destroy the platform as im confident that is your goal here.
Tallest_Skil ago
Get out, faggot.
markrod420 ago
Oh look. I put your shill tactics on blast and actually got you to say something. Looks like i finally found a way to force you to say something. Lol. Its too late. Nothing could ever convince me you are anything other than a shill piece of shit at this point. Also who are you reporting this to? What magical council of internet enforcement do you think gives a fuck about anything you have to say?
Tallest_Skil ago
Yeah, you're totally not a shill. You don't do anything that shills do. Oh yeah. That's definitely the case.
heygeorge ago
Two Words: Delaware Law
markrod420 ago
Enlighten me, please.
heygeorge ago
Spamalek/sanei are fond of spouting inane bullshit (and outright lies) about the libel laws in Delaware, as that is where Voat is incorporated.
markrod420 ago
I see. I do remember something about that. Yeah the more i think on it it seems likely this is another amalek/sane. They are the only users that openly display this level of hypocrisy while pretending they dont notice. Not to mention the constant threats of "reports" as if there is some governing body waiting to punish our voat activity. Lol.
MrPim ago
I believe what you have there is a Spamalek. It may be of a variety we've not seen yet. The plumage and song are different than ive seen here in the mountains. But im pretty sure thats a Spamalek.
markrod420 ago
Lololol!!
heygeorge ago
Archive the thread? Interesting.
markrod420 ago
do i just save it? never archived anything on voat.
heygeorge ago
Copy the address of the post, then go to https//archive.is and paste it. Post the link generated in your post or a comment.
markrod420 ago
heres the other link i posted. since its not saving the depth of comments this link at least shows some good ones.
https://archive.is/eA4JD
Damn thats still missing some important ones below. One sec i edit with another link. maybe 3 if it shits on me hard.
Ya it shit on me hard. heres 3 links to 3 comments that are all replies to one comment.
https://archive.is/fMdxX
https://archive.is/IQf3K
https://archive.is/cWXAe
markrod420 ago
https://archive.is/SIWYa
markrod420 ago
i did that but it didnt appear to contain the MASS of replies that are not loaded right away. But i will post the link, i lost it and am regenerating now.