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Cleareyes ago

I don't know, i saw a thread discussion between mod (srazyie) and intrixina, optics were pretty damaging for the mod here, rang pretty fishy to be honest. Normally for me to weigh whether someones a contributer or damager, i compare the net effect of their contributions. How popular was this sub before this mod came along into a power position and how popular is it after they have had time to influence it? Year or two later (throwing out a number since i don't know), are there more users or less? That is the tale of tape. If there are less daily users, doesn't mean they're a bad actor but definitely means they're ineffective to lead, and adds just another variable toward the "bad actor" probability. People can say what they want but to me results say it all.

Vindicator ago

How popular was this sub before this mod came along into a power position and how popular is it after they have had time to influence it? Year or two later (throwing out a number since i don't know), are there more users or less?

Just for the record, srayzie made the sub from scratch. It was he4 personal Q research sub because the shills where attacking anything q related we were investigating on v/pizzagate. It blew up exponentiatlly in popularity as QAnon went viral. Your analysis, while sound in general, does not really fit the situation.

Cleareyes ago

ahhh okay i didn't know that, thanks for clearing that up. I don't want to divisionfag myself but i have to be honest, the responses surrounding this drama (not yours/this comment) makes it hard to ignore how shady it comes across as. I'll give her the benefit of the doubt though on this one, many of the other guys are clear shit disturbers (except Inixtrina thread or w/e, that one came across as pretty intelligent and rational- made mod look pretty bad, her responses just made it worse). Actually i got a whiff of something the last big drama (stickied) even though i defended board side but was just a whiff back then and now this one to add to it. Also pizzagate went really downhill in users since i started there, so the point would stand on that one.

I trust my instincts but will be fair in any case, thank you for the info

Vindicator ago

Also pizzagate went really downhill in users since i started there, so the point would stand on that one.

Hmm. We've added almost 6,000 subscribers since this time last year, Cleareyes. I think you may be buying into the narrative pushed by some of these same jokers. We busted a major shill about five months ago (sticky is still up), which took about a year of research gathering. He was using multiple sockpuppets to brigade content he didn't want discussed, silence users whose research he didn't like, and upvote those pushing narratives he approved of. We exposed his sockpuppets and documented the voting patterns. Claiming "pizzagate really went downhill" was his favorite meme. It also happens to be the siren song of the Washington Post, John Podesta, Buzzfeed and numerous other hopeful consensus setters. It simply ain't true.

There is real fuckery going on here on Voat.

The thing I look for is: what is the overall pattern? Anyone can get trolled into outbursts that can be used against them later. We all have our breaking point. And the more you invest here in creating content, the more you care, the bigger target you are. They will troll you until you break and then use that to troll you some more until they can turn it into a witch hunt.

Look at the users' overall contribution pattern to Voat. That's what people should be accountable for, for good or ill.

Cleareyes ago

True i assume, on subscribers but daily viewing is very low. I'm subbed to things i lost interest in and never read anymore (not pizzagate though). To be fair haven't followed the full narrative or know fully what is going on, i'm relying on the screenshot of using an alt and the intelligent questioning by a couple posters, the mod and a couple of supporters looked very shady in responses (only a couple of supporters though not all of them). Those are really the two main issues holding me back now, the daily viewers of pizzagate doesn't look good in terms of results either but could also mean more people migrated to the political happenings surrounding it (Q) rather than the crimes itself, since the crimes wont be dealt with without the political/judicial component of it so i can see that as a reason.

Yes i defended the board during the esoteric guy because that was clear manipulation no doubt. Now here's another one that could be just as easily cut and dry as the previous (since many of the current attackers are shady themselves and are using the same approach as esoteric), but doesn't really explain mod being shady herself, true though mod could be near a breaking point i will give her the benefit of the doubt here since one incident (meaning incident i personally witnessed) isn't enough for me fully make up my mind.

Thank you for your viewpoint, sounds pretty fair

Vindicator ago

i'm relying on the screenshot of using an alt and the intelligent questioning by a couple posters, the mod and a couple of supporters looked very shady in responses (only a couple of supporters though not all of them)

I guess I'm not totally clear which thing we're talking about.

Pizzagate is in its third year (one of constant attacks designed to drive the audience away, too). We definitely don't have as many people sitting with the page open waiting to see what comes across the board, but I think that is a function of the role the board has always played in the larger elite pedo investigation. It's sort of the encyclopedia or library. People who want breaking news get it from Twitter -- there's just so much more of it, if you follow the right people. That's partly because a lot of those people can't participate on Voat (at least publicly) due to the sullied reputation Voat has. They tweet their material, publish it on their own blogs, and then we pick it up and archive it here in case their feed gets shut down. We're the place people come to dig.

Srayzie has never actively modded pizzagate. She is listed on the mod team so she can help in the event Eric or I can't get online.

Cleareyes ago

Yeah i kept getting banned from twitter so can't follow or comment anymore. Ahh okay fair enough on the pizzagate modding, but i appreciate your reasonable approach to this, provides me confidence in giving the benefit of the doubt to this situation

Vindicator ago

Your name checks out, Cleareyes. :-)

Cleareyes ago

haha sweet

Cleareyes ago

also forgot to add, checked the comment history of the people attacking mod, and they're pretty fishy too. So speaking objectively here, starting to smell like divisionfags working together in this event (in the event mod is truly fishy)

PuttitoutIsGone ago

Jew 101. Cause the problem then control both sides of the argument, forcing normies to choose sides.