I know this will be a controversial topic, but as you all know, we’ve been programmed since we were born to believe what we were taught in school. The media and entertainment industry continue to program us.
Us red pilled Patriots do not just believe what we’re told. We’re no longer blind sheep. We do our own research and spread the word. So why not do the same when it comes to the Holocaust?
For over 2 years now, many people on Voat have said that the Holocaust was a lie. I’ve been researching the subject and found an awesome website about it on https://8ch.net/qresearch. I was up late reading this last night, and I am convinced now that we were absolutely lied to. I’m not saying people didn’t die, but the whole story is very different than we’ve been taught to believe.
There are tons of pictures included. It’s a very interesting read no matter what your belief is regarding the Holocaust. So for those of you that are curious, here’s the link...
https://holocaustdeprogrammingcourse.com/
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Dragon40 ago
Utter bullshit.
Blacksmith21 ago
I love how these self-professed "historians" call all media propaganda now (which it largely is), yet don't consider the fact that most of this BS was propaganda then.
Crensch ago
Are you referring to the newspaper articles about 6 million before the war even happened?
Blacksmith21 ago
I'm referring to crap like this: https://files.catbox.moe/z3y3e4.png
It's Great Depression-era Daily Stormer crap. They had propaganda back then, just as they do now. Look at the history of this paper.
The Holocaust happened. Way too many first-person accounts to be a FF, statistically speaking.
It is the motives which are now in question.
We all know that the enemy we fight today is the 4th Reich. The Holocaust was a criminal act of persecution against the Jews for Deep State purposes perpetrated by the 3rd Reich.
History repeats itself. I
think- ago
I think the problem here is that @Crensch and other people who say the holocaust = genocide never happened have a list of arguments that should be responded to in detail; this is what @LauraIngalls wasn't able to do, she only replied in an emotional way, and quoted one Christian eye witness IIRC.
My suggestion would be to postpone the argument, immerse yourself in history books for a couple of months, and then come back, and have that discussion regarding the exact numbers, with a number of sources about how many Jews were killed where in which way.
I.e. instead of just saying that there are many eye witness reports, you might want to quote a couple of them, and link to sources.
I think it would be worth the effort.
Maybe @Crensch can do a list of arguments he has, and you can then come back and discuss these.
I feel this would be helpful for the whole community.
It doesn't matter whether @Crensch spends his spare time online or with fishing and hunting; as long as he has arguments you and others with the same position are not able to discuss in detail, with linked sources, he will be the 'winner' here.
@srayzie @Vindicator
Lauraingalls ago
I don't have time for all that. I know the TRUTH, President Trump knows the TRUTH, Paca Goat who knows survivors of the Holocaust knows the TRUTH. Anyone else that wants to be a Holocaust Denier can look up the history of that subject. I was told by Crensch that these Hitler supporters have been on Voat for years. They try to convert people to their side. I am not interested in being a Neo Nazi. By the way, there are many witnesses I "QUOTED". Obviously YOU didn't notice. And I am "EMOTIONAL" because denying that HORROR IS SICK. SOMEBODY has to CARE.
think- ago
Apologies if I overlooked that.
It's ok to be emotional about it, but you won't win an argument, or convince people reading the thread this way. You will need to quote historians, and their sources.
@srayzie @Vindicator @Blacksmith21
srayzie ago
Oh she’s not even willing to look or have an open mind. She keeps insinuating that we are denying it. I am NOT denying it. There is a lot we were not taught tho!
She told me she does NOT want to see anyone’s evidence and told me and @Bopper to not push this BULLSHIT on her and we said ok.
She dishes it out but can’t take it even people QUOTE something that is different than what she’s been taught her whole life.
@Think- @Vindicator
Vindicator ago
That is a normal reaction to cognitive dissonance. It's not surprising @LauraIngalls can't engage the topic. We've all been there.
I haven't read all the 700+ comments here yet, but I doubt anyone is saying "it didn't happen." More like "it didn't happen the way you've been told." My sense is that they're convinced it is the biggest psyop of all time, perpetrated and enforced with draconian censorship, brainwashing and demonization of doubters, and therefore it demands investigation, debate and reevaluation.
That question should really create cognitive dissonance. Instead of lashing out and running away, we should take a deep breath, pour ourselves a stiff drink, and humbly ask ourselves how awakened we really are.
Those who are Christian have no need to fear discovering whatever the truth really is. The truth is what brings all to freedom. As St. Paul said, "Put all things to the test: keep what is Good." 1 Thessalonians 5:21
Lauraingalls ago
There is NO NEED to personally attack me. I can engage a topic. I know the TRUTH. And if you do READ the comments PLENTY of people denied the Holocaust happened, smarty pants. You act like a liberal with your personal attack. They even said President Trump wasn't right when he said to deny the Holocaust makes you an accomplice in the Evil. You have NO RIGHT to act like I don't know what I am talking about. Every person that tried to prove these Neo Nazi. Holocaust Deniers are wrong were attacked. Even Paca Goat who personally spoke to survivors, and is from Germany was attacked. YOU ARE THE ONE THAT LIVES IN DARKNESS, not me.
Vindicator ago
Uhh...did you actually read my comment? It wasn't personal and it wasn't an attack. :-)
Lauraingalls ago
You mentioned ME, that was personal.
Vindicator ago
Yeah...I was stating that your reaction to the "Voat experience" on this topic is normal. It was about as far from a personal attack as you can get.
I mentioned you, because I was talking about you and it's damn rude to discuss someone on this platform without pinging them.
I spent the afternoon reading about 600 of the 700 comment sub threads on this post, Laura, and only two of those replying that I saw actually claim the Holocaust "didn't happen". The very vast majority were being quite civil and attempting to share facts that they themselves found disturbing enough to uproot their original views on the subject.
Why would you come to Voat, one of the only places in the world where you are literally free to say anything you want and have people engage you rationally, if all you're going to do is flip people the bird, stick your fingers in your ears and shout "EVIL" over and over again?
The person I saw in this thread "attacking" and name calling was not the "Neo Nazis", but you, who claim to be a Christian.
Christianity is not a Hallmark Card sentiment. Most people don't have the balls for the real thing. Jesus was butchered by the government and religious authorities of his day because they were able to whip up a mob of brainwashed sheep to demand his blood. If you aren't willing to examine the evidence of similar brainwashing and rabble-rousing today, how are you any different? This is an error all people in every age are prone to make. The wise know it, and err on the side of humility, rather than calling everyone else "evil".
Jesus: "First take the beam out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye." Matt 7:5
Also Jesus: "No one is good--except God alone." Luke 18:19
Crensch ago
And when I say "it didn't happen", I mean that the whole ostensible (not actual) reason they push it on us and our children is horseshit, and none of the fantastical Nazi fanfic claims happened.
think- ago
What exactly do you think didn't happen? Would you maybe have a list? That would be terrific as a starting point for @Blacksmith21's post maybe.
Thank you.
@srayzie @Blacksmith21 @Vindicator @PacaGoat @LauraIngalls
Crensch ago
Sure! Hell, I'll give them some things that DID happen, too. BS21 can pick and choose.
Let's start with the totally fair Nuremburg Trials that everyone is so keen on pointing out!
----My first claim: A fair trial didn't happen.
How is it that the victorious Allies get to act as prosecutor, judge, and executioner of the German leaders?
--Source: From Nuremberg to My Lai pp. 81-83.
Judge Iola T. Nikitchenko, at a planning conference before the Tribunal convened explained his view on the trials:
This is the man that presided at the opening session. Where were the trials that determined guilt?
--Source: Leo Kahn, Nuremberg Trials pp. 26.
In his memoirs, Nahum Goldmann, who served as president of both the World Zionist Organization and the World Jewish Congress reported that the Nuremberg Trials were the brain-child of the World Jewish Congress officials. They persuaded the Allied leaders to accept the plan.
--Source: N. Goldmann, The Autobiography of Nahum Goldmann pp. 216-217
The World Jewish Congress(WJC) made sure the persecution of the Jews was the main focus of the trials.
--Source: World Jewish Congress, Unity in Dispersion pp. 141, 264, 267.
Colonel David Marcus, a Jewish officer in the US Army selected almost all of the judges, prosecutors, and lawyers for the Nuremberg Trials.
--Source: "War Crimes" article written by him in Britannica Book of the Year in 1947, pp. 819-821.
Charles F Wennerstrum stated that many employed clerks, lawyers, researchers, and interpreters had only just become Americans in recent years, and whose backgrounds were rather steeped in certain prejudices. He also stated that the evidence selection was made by the prosecution, and the defense had access only to the documents the prosecution considered material to the case.
In regards to Nuremberg, Wennerstrum had "a feeling that justice has been denied".
--Source: Chicago Tribune article, dated February 23, 1948, pp. 1, 2. "Nazi Trial Judge Rips 'Injustice'", by Hal Foust.
US Supreme Court Chief Justice Harlan Fiske Stone stated: "Jackson (Chief US prosecutor mentioned above) is away conducting his high-grade lynching party in Nuremburg." and "I don't mind what he does to the Nazis, but I hate to see the pretense that he is running a court and proceeding according to common law."
He specifically calls it a fraud.
--Source: Harlan Fiske Stone: Pillar of the Law pp. 716.
Congressional representative Lawrence H. Smith of Wisconsin states: "The Nuremberg farce represents a revenge policy at its worst."
--Source: Congressional Record -- Appendix, Vol. 95, Sec. 14, pp. A 3741.
John Rankin of Mississippi, another congressman, declared: "A racial minority, two and a half years after the war closed, are in Nuremberg not only hanging German soldiers but trying German businessmen in the name of the United States."
--Source: Congressional Record -- House, Vol. 93, Sec. 9, pp. 10938
EVEN A JEW, Milton R Konvits, specialist of law who taught at NYU states:
--Source: M. R. Konvitz, "Will Nuremberg Serve Justice?," Vol. I, No. 3, pp. 11.
--My second claim: the German defendants were tortured by the Allies
They were tortured by the Allies against international law; violating at least articles 56 and 58 of the Geneva convention of July 1929.
--Source: Nuremberg: A Nation on Trial pp. 69, 302
Austrian officer, Emil Lachout, part of the postwar Allied War Crimes Commission testified under oath in 1988 that German officials had been tortured until they furnished fraudulent statements about alleged killings of Jews in German death camp gas chambers. He provided a copy of a 1948 document confirming this.
--Source: Robert Lenski, Holocaust on Trial, pp. 274, 278.
I've seen Rudolf Höss' confession rather often as a cornerstone document of Holocaust extermination. It's certainly one of the most widely known pieces of "evidence" by anyone that has dipped their toes into this subject.
--Source: Rupert Butler, Legions of Death, pp. 235-239
Rudolph Hoess was tortured for his testimony. After a beating, "It took three days to get a coherent statement out of him, but once he started talking, there was no holding him."
--Source: Rupert Butler, Legions of Death, pp. 236-237
His testimony included claims that 2,500,000 people had been killed in the Auschwitz gas chambers, and another 500,000 had died of other causes.
--Source: Höss testimony at the Nuremberg Tribunal, published in: IMT vol. 33, pp. 275-279
These claims by him are now dismissed by reputable historians, and contradicted by their own, remade memorial stone. 4 Million, really? Does anyone really think the 6 million number wasn't based on 4 million supposedly dying in this camp?
--My third claim: the Allies were guilty of the same things they were "prosecuting" the Germans for.
Chief US prosecutor Robert Jackson stated, in a letter to President Truman that the Allies...
--Source: Jackson letter to Truman, Oct. 12, 1945. State Department files.
The British Government admitted that they, were themselves guilty of "crime against peace" in the planning of a military invasion of Norway before Germany made their move. Britain and the Soviet union jointly invaded and occupied Iran, a neutral nation in 1941.
--Source: J. McMillan, Five Men at Nuremberg pp. 245, 414. "Behind the scenes at Nuremberg," London's Daily Telegraph, Jan. 27, 1977
--My fourth claim: the above, by no means exhaustive on the hypocrisy on crimes, is why there was no definition of "aggression" in the Tribunal's charter, which makes any "conviction" of Principle VI part A, Crimes against peace, a miscarriage of justice.
Funny side note: Notice how the UN adopted the same kind of language? Have you seen what Israel, a member since 1949 has done to Palestine?
Crensch ago
@kevdude @Trigglypuff @Empress @gabara @ExpertShitposter
ExpertShitposter ago
@Lauraingalls is a dumb jewish bitch, or one of the retarded jewed Christians who think jews are allies of the christian church because its the origin of jesus.
She is the poster-child for why i have no respect for Qtards, most of them are simple minded old farts whose brains don't work anymore.
Humans were meant to live 50-55 years, and there is simply a point where you become incapable of processing new information. This is why i don't bother redpilling anyone older than 40. They are not relevant to the revolution.
Furthermore, I spen't hours watching the violence on the streets of Paris. Not one of these fuckers had the balls to stand with the yellow jackets. Why? Because they like the gibs. They don't want to bring down the system. They don't want to give up their boomer comforts. They want the nigger slave labor to keep the economy rolling just long enough to pay out their pensions. Fuck the world after that amrite?
Apologies to rare exceptions. But for the most part....fuck old fart q boomers, they have no value any longer, they are just a drain, similar as the niggers. Generation revenge will save the world.
NeoGoat ago
I managed to red pill myself over 2 years in my early 50s. Yes, I swallowed the big pill one last. It was painful as hell for a couple days, as the last fairy tale was seen for what it was. In spring 2016, I supported Bernoe. Now, Trump is to my left. @Empress @Censch
ExpertShitposter ago
As i have said, apologies and respect to exceptions. I know 60 year olds who are 24h le mans racers. Not to many such exceptions.....