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crazy_eyes ago

it seems to me like you are trying to distract with all this drama day after day

srayzie ago

You don’t think it’s concerning that thousands of people don’t know that the mods were comped and have been removed and the one left isn’t even around? Who is running it? That’s concerning. It’s not concerning that the one that endorses them is writing a book on Q?

It’s kind of like, do you want to take the red pill or the blue pill? This is our Q home. A whole damn sub has been infiltrated. That Q sub is the only one not attacked. That should tell you something.

You just go live in comfy land then. I’m going to be careful about who I follow and warn people so they can make an informed decision. This isn’t about choosing v/GreatAwakening. There’s also QRV, and other subs. It’s about having safe subs that are not infiltrated.

crazy_eyes ago

I just think it is not Q related or great awakening related, it seems like all those others users you mentioned are not Q related either.

I direct people to simply read all the Q posts starting from the beginning, dont read someones book, read the source, and do your own research when you have questions, and do not let someone elses opinions sway what you know. Just find the truth.

It seems like you are giving those irrelevant people a lot of your attention and energy that could be better spent on things Q

srayzie ago

If that were the case, then Q wouldn’t have made a post in June, telling people that they were comped and to be removed/replaced. They weren’t. They came here. That makes it Q related.

crazy_eyes ago

Im not denying that people are fucking with you, but their mission is partly to get you off topic and in this case i think they have

Crensch ago

Are you familiar with ESOTERICshade?

A user or group that ran off the best PG researchers consistently because PG had a ton of people just like you that didn't want, or didn't think they needed, people like @srayzie to come in and wreck the shills so good users don't get run off.

I realize Q is a little different than just PG, but NR, if he is BuilderAnon/ElectroLumus, has a LOT of shillpower behind him and will ruin anything any anyone he can.

Alternatively, tell us what you think @srayzie should be doing instead.

crazy_eyes ago

my advice would be to ignore the bastards

Crensch ago

That's what PG did.

I'm sure there are plenty of archives, but look at PG's 'users here now' number.

This isn't a game. If users that can bust these faggots don't, the most active, (and naive,) users will get run off. Many PG researchers were doxxed and threatened, others were groomed by ESOTERIC et al, and manipulated or forced via willingly-given blackmail material to behave themselves.

@Vindicator @think- @MolochHunter @kevdude all have seen these things. They all can attest to the danger of letting these guys operate while those of us that aren't affected do nothing because of attitudes like yours.

And again:

my advice would be to ignore the bastards

And do what, instead of busting them? Is there something @srayzie hasn't done that needs done otherwise?

crazy_eyes ago

I guess Im not one to be afraid of them, I just think they are drawing attention away from Q, so dont give them attention was my first thought, just seemed logical. Srayzie can ban them, it just seems like a lot of unnecessary drama

MolochHunter ago

as moderators, if we ignore the bastards, this is what happens:

1) they intimidate and scare off more fragile researchers. Which, given that there are many SURVIVORS trying to make a contribution here, is a big concern

2) they MANUFACTURE consensus to approve fake news, or falsely debunk real intel. They do this through a) mass upvoting / downvoting with sock puppet accounts, making innocent eyes think there is a consensus they should give creedence to, b) using sock puppets to make artificial back-and-forth conversations which a reader can be sucked into a false granting of creedence or authority to a viewpoint

3) using their multiple account log ins, they can detect someone of genuine value to this work, and downvote brigade them until they lose their ability to make posts

there is no singular larger threat to the movement than this. If they prevail - and are not sufficiently countered - THEY CONTROL THE NARRATIVE, rather than the community of genuine researchers controlling the narrative

Its like handing the keys to Voat over to James Alefantis

so please, pwiddy pweeze, help us out here

Vindicator ago

Yes, @crazy_eyes, what @Crensch, @srayzie and @MolochHunter say is true. All of this has taken a toll on v/pizzagate over the past two years, and will have the same impact on v/greatawakening if left unchecked. I would also add, these nefarious operators attempt to sow distrust in the mod team with constant criticism.

crazy_eyes ago

The mod team sows distrust with their own actions

Vindicator ago

Oh?