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think- ago

and now equates P with C

So, who or what is C? C = Chair?

and either B17 will be restored to the Throne of Peter

Whom do you mean by B17? looks puzzled

and a Pope who holds the true authority of the Chair of Peter because he serves the Master (Jesus) will take his place

How would this even be possible I wonder?

Benedict XVI was/is a very sinister person, someone from his innermost circle who left the Vatican (due to his gay marriage) said the time Benedict XVI was Pope was the 'darkest and most gay' Popedom in recent history. And he should know.

What I'm trying to say is: There have been certainly at least two factions in the Vatican (and beyond) - one supporting Benedict XVI, one supporting Francis, the latter having been successful.

But both Popes are dark persons, and I can't see so many 'white hats' Cardinals in the Church, they all have been chosen by the current Pope and former Popes.

Vindicator ago

Yes, the web of lies and disinfo is incredibly tangled. Perhaps B17 is evil...or perhaps his situation was similar to Kim Jong Il and Kim Jong Un, whom Q has characterized as "hostages". To sort through what's what, it helps to zoom out and look at patterns.

As head of the Congregation of the Doctrine of the Faith (the bureaucracy tasked with preventing corruption of Church teaching) under JPII, Ratzinger held fast against the dilution of Church teaching by moral relativism and Ecumenism pushed by bishops of both Europe and the US. The two of them consistently rebuked the abortion industry, the euthanasia movement, fetal tissue harvesting for research, IVF and genetic engineering, which are all part of the Eugenics movement and beloved by globalists. They also continuously harped on the importance of the sacredness of marriage and the importance of the nuclear family as the heart of civilization, and resisted Islamicization calling for Europe to acknowledge it's historical Christian roots.

All of that changed once Raztinger was forced out. Now we've got a pope who pushes globalism, the climate change scam, open borders, wants to rewrite the Lord's Prayer, embrace divorce, homosexuality, and got rid of the Commission for the Protection of Minors. He is the first pope I've ever seen lauded by the MSM, worldly governments, and progressive bishops. He claimed Trump was not Christian because he wanted to build the wall.

think- ago

As head of the Congregation of the Doctrine of the Faith (the bureaucracy tasked with preventing corruption of Church teaching) under JPII, Ratzinger held fast against the dilution of Church teaching by moral relativism and Ecumenism

Yes. You can of course, see it that way.

My view mainly focuses on how he dealt we sexual abuse. Pope Francis isn't better though, in this regard.

And I think JP II's - and B16's view - on abortion, divorce and homosexuality were too strict. (That's the liberal part in me).

Of course I reject Francis' suggestion to rewrite the Lord's Prayer, think the LGBTQ movement went too far, and I don't condone abortions after the 12th week of pregnancy and the globalist movement (getting rid of the sovereign states, extending and deepening the EU, and, last not least, open borders / mass immigration.

I wasn't happy with JP II, B16, and I am not happy with Pope Francis.

Shizy ago

Hebrews 13:8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.

Societal views may change, and of course the Catholic church's views and doctrine change, but Jesus does not. That tells me his followers shouldn't be changing either

think- ago

Well, during the first centuries of the Church, marriages f.i. were not a matter of the Church at all. It only changed at some time during the MIddle Ages.

In the Early Medieval Period, husbands just sent their wives back to their family, if they wanted to get rid of them. The Church didn't oppose it, as far as I recall.

slwsnowman40 ago

I think the B-17 will make a great pope.

Vindicator ago

Sorry, 2am typo. B16.

There has been a lot of disinfo about Ratzinger, but he forced over 100 corrupt bishops to retire, cleaned up the seminaries, and gave the Vatican Bank hucksters a serious kick in the ass. He was blocked every step of the way, too. Then the gay mafia forced him out. The people in the Church who take its teachings seriously have been waging a prayer war for years to right this.

think- ago

Sorry, I still beg to differ with you.

He didn't try to clean the Church of pedos, he did the cover-up. I know how he handled sexual abuse cases. It was a desaster.

And I don't even want to mention the huge sexual abuse scandal his brother was involved in, which Benedict also helped covering up.

During his time as Bishop, as Cardinal, as Pope, documents proving the sexual abuse by priests 'disappeared' from the archives. He never helped sexual abuse victims. Ever.

It is not disinfo.

His secretary is part of the gay mafia.