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Helena73 ago

Hydroxychloroquine, Ivermectin, doxycyline and many other drugs are

1.) proven to inhibit SARS CoV 2 in vitro in infected human cells, i.e. they shut down the infection because the virus can’t reproduce.

2.) proven to work in patients when given early (before patients progress to severe form)

3.)Can be taken prophylactically in low doses long term. HCQ and doxycyline are used long term for all kinds of conditions. They will prevent most cases and reduce the severity of infection. They will also lessen “asymptomatic” spread.

When people push you around on the mask shit or the social distancing push back with these facts. Demand antivirals prophylactically and otc for covid.

canbot ago

The father of a friend recently died from Covid. The doctors literally refused to treat him with HCQ. They even demanded it under the right to try legislation. It is down right murder as far as I'm concerned.

speaktruthandenter ago

he didn’t die of covid

Helena73 ago

I have not used it but I hear that speakwithanmd .com is very cooperative about prescribing HCQ. Sorry about your friend’s dad.

My researched belief is that, if you start it right after symptoms start it will save almost everybody.

beefartist ago

The drugs you talk about work but it doesn't really have anything to do with COVID (that's not what is making people sick). Also search out the natural analogues like quinine (wild or cinchona bark), pine spirits/turpentine, there are others)

Helena73 ago

The drugs Ive mentioned work and it does have to due with covid. These drugs as well as quinine have been shown to inhibit the virus in vitro. I have no idea if pine spirits have been tested on sars cov 2 in vitro. Probably not.

HCQ may be slightly better than quinine in terms of side effects and drug sensitivity but they will work similarly on covid. Quinine isn’t better because its natural. 7 to 10 liters of tonic water a week (brand names are better) should get you into the prophylactic zone (420-600 mg quinine base/wk)

Bigz_Sarducci ago

So a glass of tonic water a day keeps the covid away?

beefartist ago

The good shit in quinine will kill and prevent all sorts of baddies (NOT COVID because it is bullshit). Commercial tonic water apparently is largely diluted so best to get the real deal (wild quinine, cinchona bark, etc.)

Bigz_Sarducci ago

The ppm to drinking tonic water and getting the medical amount is alot. But it does have its purpose.

Helena73 ago

I am fairly confident about the content of name brands like schweppes and canada dry being around 65mg of quinine base a liter, if they haven’t changed their recipe in the last year— cinchona is undoubtedly in high demand, they do not manufacture it synthetically. Other generics might have only 50 mg /liter or less. Legally 83mg/liter is allowed but it doesn’t seem to ever have that much. Quinine fluoresces under UV black light in the dark so you can compare brands— you may be able to tell a difference of +-20% concentration difference.

Unfortunately you can’t boil off the water content without destroying quinine.

Typical doses of quinine sulfate for acute malaria are around 1200 mg a day to as much as 1800 mg a day of quinine sulfate (600mg for people with kidney disease). Quinine sulfate is 83% quinine, so I figure an equivalent dose of quinine base is about 1000mg. That would be a safety limit for me, maybe much less for people with cardiac, diabetic and kidney issues.

1000 mg is like 16 liters of tonic a day.

But I suspect a dose of around 300 or 350mg (5 or 6 liters) would make a big difference in the viral load if used at onset of symptoms.

Another solution is tonic syrup concentrate. Top Hat makes a sugar and sugar-free version. I like the sugar free one for obvious reasons. The claim is that it has 5x the quinine of regular tonic (5x 50mg? 5x 83 mg? Who knows? But it clearly has more than the regular tonic water) Its $20 a quart on amazon (less in bulk) but I have not bought any yet. You might want to approximate the concentration of quinine with a UV light unless you own a fluorometer. Lol. This would be one way to get around drinking all that tonic, but I am much less confident about the quinine content of that product, which makes me nervous about recommending it.

I would be even less confident about doses derived from extracting quinine out of cinchona bark. But again you might be able to eyeball it with a UV light and comparing it to tonic water in various concentrations. I think the top hat thing is probably easier though.

Realize that people with kidney or heart issues would be particularly vulnerable to overdose issues if you fucked up. Also a significant number of people have an allergy to quinine.

Hope I didn’t go overboard on the information dump. Ive researched quinine a little bit over the last few months.

beefartist ago

Some is WAY better than none but for the cost of the stuff I would assume you can make your own for less and have a higher dosage

Bigz_Sarducci ago

True

Helena73 ago

4 to 8 cups of tonic water (~60 to 120mg quinine base) will probably prevent most covid infections and lessen the severity of the ones it doesn’t. That’s an educated guess. A liter a day should make a significant difference. Brand names have higher concentrations.

chrimony ago

Hydroxychloroquine, Ivermectin, doxycyline and many other drugs

Take vitamin D supplements. There's a reason flu and corona viruses spread in winter. Studies have shown Vitamin D reduces respiratory infections.

It's amazing that such a simple and cheap preventative, that our bodies need anyways, has not gotten widespread recommendation. All this focus on masks and drugs.

Pray4Truth ago

I can confirm the importance of vitamin D.

I've spent half my adult life sunbathing on tropical beaches. I never got any colds or flu when I was living on tropical islands.

Foolishly, it's only recently that I made the connection and I started taking vitamin D supplements. Since I started taking vitamin D, I have had one occasion where I got a sneezy nose one evening. I was expecting it to progress into a full blown cold with a cough lasting at least a week. However, I woke up the next morning and I was fine. My body had fought it off in one evening.

It's crazy that it took me so long to realize the importance of vitamin D, and vitamins in general.

Helena73 ago

UV light and or heat, humidity destroy a lot of flu like viruses. Also it is hard to transmit alot of them outdoors because of air circulation. I am very white, sunbathing is not for me, supplementation will do.

beefartist ago

Folks should buy some know it is starting to dry up on shelves (don't hoard, pricks you don't need that much :))...I assume the raw materials for it come from China so it isn't going to get more common on shelves

Helena73 ago

The reason flu and covid spread in the winter and not summer is complex and has to due with humidity, temperature, hours of UV light a day, and maybe some other factors as well. Vitamin D may be a piece of this. But mostly it will mitigate the severe inflamation that occurs in the severe form of the disease.

My go to vitamins for covid are C, D, and zinc.

Prophylactically during flu season:

Vit. C: 1000 to 2000 mg

Vit. D: 1000 to 2000 IU

zinc: 20 or 30 mg daily

If you get covid:

Vit. C: 5000 to 10,000 mg or higher

Vit. D: 5000 to 10,000 IU or higher

Zinc: 60 to 75 mg daily

C and D are safe in very high doses and some places are using insanely high vitamin C doses (over 30,000 mg iv) for severe patients!

Taking those 3 vitamins are probably as important as any drug, especially if you are old and deficient.

But I like my drugs too.

BearDolphin1488 ago

WHERE ARE YOUR CHOLDREN??? WHY DO YOU EAT SEMEN?

Helena73 ago

This is your kid

https://files.catbox.moe/hhkc3j.jpg

Awww!

Bigz_Sarducci ago

Vitamin C must be the Ester C version (absorbs C better). 10,000 mg might give some diarrhea so 6,000-8,000 is good. Keep in mind Vitamin C is water soluble (means you piss out what you take in). Turamic with curcurmim is also good. I would look into including all antioxidant vitamins too. Your list is great.

Helena73 ago

Good to know. I have never taken 10,000 mg of C orally so I had no idea it caused diarrhea. I was worried the ascorbic acid might irritate your stomach.

I figure it might be good to start with 5 or 6 thousand and if you are still the same or worse after a week or more it might be worth it to go to 10,000.

Yeah have seen that curcumin is probably having a beneficial effect on inflamation. I could spit out a list of herbals and supplements that are probably helpful for covid but I don’t want to bore people. I feel like those three vitamins are the most important.

Bigz_Sarducci ago

The B vitamins are good as well.

Helena73 ago

Thank you for the diarrhea tips! I mean that.

I have liposomal C but Ill look into ester.

Bigz_Sarducci ago

I have been a vitamin studier since my Father introduced me to a Dr Earl Mindell book. Ester help C absorb quicker.

SpecialtyPizza ago

The people are too stupid to listen. They hear you bring up hcq and they immediately dismiss it because of some bullshit study they heard about on cnn 7 months ago that has since been retracted or proven bullshit. If you show people the stats and try to get them to understand that theres a 99.999% survival rate they claim they are trying to protect the old folks who are susceptible.

Maroonsaint ago

I don’t give a fuck about what others say. I’m not gonna try to argue with a retard I’m gonna insist they try sucking my dick

Helena73 ago

Well since I read all those bullshit studies and I know that they aren’t randomized and use propensity scoring to draw conclusions, (which isn’t that reliable) and also that they only studied HCQ in severe patients who are well past the point in their infection at which safe levels of HCQ are most likely to be effective,I am in a position to tear their studies apart.

The survival rate is not 99.999%. It is much lower. In my state, which is the hardest hit by covid basically in the world, 1 in 500 people have died of covid. In the state. Understand, that that is not out of all infected people, that is the proportion of all people in the state now dead. By the end of this winter that could be 1 in 200 or 300. That could be true of every state in a couple of years.

People in there 80s have maybe a 20% chance of dying from the infection at least and people in their 70s have about a 10% chance. That is bad.

That is why it is so important to get hydroxychloriquine to high risk patients as soon as they develop symptoms annd why high risk people should be getting prophylaxis.

Everyone here knows someone who died of covid. I know 5 people who died of it. A neighbor just died 2 weeks ago of it.

The case fatality rate of covid is not comparable to the fatality rate of flu because we don’t know about 99% of the flu cases that occur— no one gets tested for the flu. Half the country has been tested for covid and trace amounts of virus are counted as a case. Therefore comparing flu deaths/flu cases to covid deaths/covid cases is not useful.

BearDolphin1488 ago

Of course.. the cum eating slut believes in the holocaugh.. the woman here liring and telling men to be afraid of the flu/cold has eaten cum. Disgusting

Helena73 ago

You literally fuck dolphins so this is a pretty smug take considering.

NiggerJusticeWarrior ago

Lmao dude of course old people die. You will get old and die too. 1 in 500? Oh no not a 99.8% survival rate. IT'S THE PLAGUE

Helena73 ago

Thats not the survival rate. That is the number of people who have died of it so far in my state. Perhaps 1/10 of the state population has had it so far? Maybe 1/20 have actually gotten sick?

This is the equivalent of randomly shooting 1 out of every 30 seniors once a year for several years.

Fuck old people, get rid of them

I hear this all the time from people on voat claiming to be non-degenerate, conservative and pro-white.

Evolved societies honor and care for their elderly. There are societies that do not- perhaps one of them would suit you better.

NiggerJusticeWarrior ago

I never said fuck old people or get rid of them. Learn to read you dumb cunt

Helena73 ago

Yeah you did. You said you didn’t care if they were killed by this virus because that’s what old people do— they die.

Listen zoomer, you won’t be allowed to vote, and this is why. You don’t understand anything about life and are still mentally a child.

NiggerJusticeWarrior ago

No I didn't you fucking retard. I stated a fact of life, that old people die. There are no zoomers on this site you dumb bitch

Helena73 ago

Yeah you did. Your response to old people are dying needlessly, prematurely by 10 or 15 years in many cases, is who cares? Old people die, what difference if they are cheated out of a decade of life? The implication was clear, fuck old people. If it was little zoomers like you dying, like during the spanish flu, it would be: why oh why doesn’t society shut down for me? Why are boomers so hardened to my suffering?

Hey Im 27, thats a big difference from 23. Im not at zoomer. I’m not, I’m not!

Pedantic distinction. You’re under 30. You’re a zoomer. If Im a boomer in my mid 40s, you may as well be a zoomer. Just own it and stop being a fucking bitch about it.

If you’re going to brag about your indifference to old people dying prematurely because who the fuck cares if they died before they needed to then just admit it and stop backpedalling. It’s really what you think, isn’t it?

I personally think you’re a degenerate for hating the elders of your own people, white seniors, but you’re the one that has to look at yourself in the mirror.

I also know with 100% confidence that you will change your mind on this sort of shit by age 40. Tick tick.

NiggerJusticeWarrior ago

Quote the part where I said that you illiterate hag. When did I ever call you a boomer? Stop arguing with the voices in your head and try reading my posts.

Helena73 ago

Why should I suddenly be concerned about people at the end of their life expectancy facing their mortality like they always have?

Oops ! right there. ^^^ right fuckin’ there. Qed

Sounds like you need to make peace with the concept of death if you think it's something to be scared of at the age of 70.

Pretty philosophical for a person in their 20s! Haha! Im sure when the time comes you’ll nobly report to the soylent factory without a fight. How old are you exactly by the way?

GrizzlyDark ago

Stupid woman... soon your vote goes away and this is why

Helena73 ago

Statistically, you are not likely to be smarter than me. But if you present an actual argument maybe we could find out? :)

grendelbiter ago

Nobody I know knows someone who died of Covid or even had it. One guy I know who works at the hospital knows 3 patients in the hospital who supposedly have it. I know one person who (supposedly) had it and they survived. I say supposedly because we all know the tests are crap. You might know 5 people who died WITH covid not of it. You swallowed the propaganda pill.

Helena73 ago

Maybe thats because you live in a state where there weren’t many covid cases?

Many states had only around 1 in 5000 people die of covid. My state has had 1 in 500 people die of covid. We have a very high population density. Everyone, everyone here know someone who died of it. Many middleaged people have had a parent or aunt or uncle die of it.

My neighbor died of it a couple weeks ago. He was relatively healthy for mid-seventies. Active. He was not on death’s door. He could have live 10 or 15 years barring cancer. He got flu symptoms and was dead in 2 weeks. He died of covid.

You want to believe this is all a scam because communists have exploited it and lied about many aspects of the epidemic. But it is real. It is a very nasty virus and it is killing hundreds of thousands of older americans who could have expected many more years of life if it weren’t for this virus.

My state is New Jersey. Go to worldometer and compare your state’s deaths per million with mine. Perhaps this accounts for our different anecdotal experiences?

grendelbiter ago

How do you know they didn't die of a regular flu? I've had the flu very bad 2 years ago and I don't think I'm exaggerating when I say I was fighting for my life for a couple of hours. The regular flu kills a lot of people and has EXACTLY the same symptoms as covid. Bonus is it'll always exist so they can take away our rights indefinitely. And you seriously believe those numbers? It's proven the test are bullshit, taking the test is just like spinning the wheel. But you know that, right? You've been around here. So my only conclusion is that you're a shill.

norse ago

Shill.

Helena73 ago

Gay. Im refering to my state, which has had more covid deaths than any other state per capita. Or any other country.

Floodthewestcoast ago

What shithole poo country do you live in?

beefartist ago

Right? Everyone knows 5 people BULLSHIT. She should stop hanging around whatever crack dens or old folks homes she is patronizing

Helena73 ago

The fucking united states.

SerOdeon ago

C19study.com

Helena73 ago

This is a great link, thank you.

happyfacemcgee ago

You can never “catch” a virus — https://www.bitchute.com/video/sEWDBJeETWjg/

Educate yourself. Your post is completely incorrect because fundamentally you are wrong. There is NO virus going around killing people.

They ARE killing people with the procedures yes, the stage-3 ventilator protocols and the 11 different IV drugs ARE killing people, but it is not because they unleashed a virus on the population.

You’re stupid as fuck if you believe that. Extremely sad.

beefartist ago

Thank you!

Helena73 ago

Never met a conspiracy you didn’t like eh?

happyfacemcgee ago

Dude you’re completely retarded.

SARS-cov2 has never been isolated from a human nor have any antibodies ever been found — https://blog.nomorefakenews.com/2020/12/01/the-sars-cov-2-virus-was-never-proved-to-exist/

https://davidicke.com/2020/12/07/you-need-to-accept-that-you-have-been-scammed-on-a-monumental-scale-david-icke/

The “covid” symptoms people are feeling are due to EMF attacks on the population. This has been proven time and time again.

Where the hell have you been? 1 in 500 died of SARS-cov2.

We have 20% less deaths this year than last year for godsake. Johns Hopkins came out with that study recently.

What the fuck are you talking about?

beefartist ago

I am not sure it is ONLY EMF (or an attack per se)but even the amount of "background" EMF most people are exposed to can't be good. I think it is a WHOLE litany of factors making people weak and sickly (bad food, bad water, lack of nutrients, medicines, chem exposure etc.)

Helena73 ago

Lol no. This is not correct.

cantaloupe6 ago

Covid'ss been debunked /s