Veganism is a cult religion. When you deliberately distort your natural diet, there are consequences. Human beings are designed to eat meat as well as fruits, vegetables, grains and other plant foods.
humans and primates are NOT designed to eat meat. That is why we get arteriosclerosis from eating meat. Natural carnivores (you know, the animals with actual sharp teeth and claws) will never get it even eating unlimited meat.
Human beings are designed to eat...fruits, vegetables, grains
prove it
everything available now is a man-made hybrid; none of the fruits, vegetables or grains available are anything close to the form they are found in nature, so again I say
Know what else is unnatural and man made besides modern produce? Domestic meat. If your argument applies to vegetables and fruit, it also applies to beef etc. Seriously its so far different from wild game, and its fed with fucking corn and whatnot, and pumped full of hormones and antibiotics and shit. Wild game is the ticket.
H. erectus differs from earlier hominins in having relatively smaller teeth, reduced chewing muscles, weaker maximum bite force capabilities, and a relatively smaller gut
What do the stomachs of animals who eat plants all day look like?
Look man, I don't agree with ya on that one. We could not all be immune to the diseases that are in raw meat. We would not have had antibodies to fight them off. We would have had people dieing from it until only those who weren't effect, those who had genes to combat it, survived. Thus Evolution, survival of the fittest.
I am not going to say that God didn't create man.
Lastly, I linked the wrong study, that is my fault. The last time I had to reference this study it was in the top results. It isn't now. We know why after reading the study I first posted.
As a side note, it's refreshing to see a few users on voat who don't buy into the vegan/plant-based NWO diet propaganda. I've had a hell of a time trying to reach people on other subs. They just call names. I've never actually run into other users who know better. Nice.
No more responses. I just stated that but I had this one sitting in my box. Last nibble at this topic. You can make claims like that but I linked the correct study and laid out why in my most recent response. We went from plants to meat. That is evolving your diet. No more responses from me on this topic.
Our more remote ancestors were herbivores eating grasses, digested by gut symbionts, then frugivores and insectivores eating enough animal protein to supply vitamin B12 and some nicotinamide – either by chance on fruit or more actively, such as fishing for termites.
Zero source given for this. The next sentence
Hominids and early Homo increased meat intake but remained omnivores not carnivores, despite being top predators.77,78
Go check out 77 and 78 and let me know where you find this information.
We know the answer to that, my point was evolution was involved. THE main point is that we agree that meat is necessary to the human diet today. Those who don't consume it are mentally deficient just by the pure nature of them not getting the correct nutrients to maintain a healthy brain.
The study I just links argues against that claim. You can claim your side and I can claim mine, I have provided a link for my claim to a study that discusses the fact we evolved to eat meat. We started out foraging then went to hunting. Therefore, by simple logic we Evolved from eating a plant based diet to a meat based diet. Our teeth even had to evolve to consume it.
We can agree to disagree man. I don't want to waste any more time on this topic.
We are designed to eat a large majority of meat, with a bit of fruit, grain, and tubers. Vegetables (as in leaves, not tubers like potatoes or fruits that are commonly called vegetables like the tomato) are designed by nature to have toxins to prevent their being eaten by animals. These are bad for you in every way. Kale, which vegans seem to love, is one of the worst.
Why do you think I'm a fatass, in light of the fact that in Sweden, the hunter/fishers of the North were far healthier than the farmers of the South? Or the fact that our brain size/gut size ratio and stomach acidity clearly points towards us needing a meat heavy diet? Maybe I should make clear, when I say meat, I don't mean McMeat, I mean the real stuff.
Makes me wonder about chinks. They use meat mainly for garnish and vegetables as their main course. American-Chinese food is mega calorie and basically White mans food. This is why, imo, chinks are just like niggers - far below White people. Sure they are great human computers, but they burn dogs alive and eat them so... Fuck thisgayearth.jpg
Chinks may not be overweight, but they are undersized in general. Americans and nowdays most white countries eat too much processed shit, which is why we see obesity. Fresh meat is the healthiest food for us. It's been proven that we can literally eat meat and water and be just fine. To get all nutrients though eating the organs of herbivores is nessesary, and such a diet would be quite boring, so I don't think such extremes are nescessary. But our stomach acidity is designed for meat. Eating lots of plant based food just weighs our gut down as we aren't set up to completely break it down, unlike herbivores which usually have more than one stomach, of lower acidity which allows the needed bacteria to grow which breaks it all the way down.
Wow, thanks for the info! I was vegan for a short stint and I was constantly hungry even after eating bowls and bowls of grain and veggies. Nothing satiates like meat.
Grains, this includes potatoes and corn, are incomplete foods and should be eaten sparingly. Grains are good for calories, but lack many micro nutrients. Sticking to vegetables and meat, this includes organs, will provide you with everything your body needs.
Yes. But tubers (roots, potatoes, carrots, etc) and vegetables that are actually fruit (contain seeds, tomatoes etc) are far healthier than leaves (spinach, lettuce, kale) In general our stomach acidity and brain size to gut size ratio is what points to meat being what we are primarily made to eat. Eating lots of plant based material puts a lot of dead weight in our guts as our stomach acidity is too high for many bacteria that herbivores have to grow and completely break down plant matter. I try to eat a majority of meat and the rest mostly tubers and fruits, with some grains but only for varietys sake. It has been shown that herbivores organs contain all the vitamins from plants that we actually need so one could survive solely on meat and water, but it would be pretty boring.
I also try to eat mostly meat. Grass fed is the most ideal. If you can incorporate organ meat into your diet, you can cut your plant intake by even less. Organ meats contain the highest amount of micronutrients per ounce.
Absolutely. I am trying to incorporate more organs, and eat more game rather than story bought meat as I know it's healthier. I've always had a good metabolism so for a long time I just ate whatever and didn't care, but since I've actively been eating healthier my energy levels have improved noticably.
Problem with that is, by the grace of God, i dont.
Id link you to a lecture on the ridiculous of evolution, using secular sources as the ridicule. But as it is 5 hours long and a thorough scientific debunking of evolution, I know you wont care.
<random distraction show> will be on soon. I dont want you to miss it.
Vegans feel good immediately after switching to veganism because they cut out a lot of bad things from their diet, particularly bread and corn, which suck without meat or butter to complement them. Then, much time later, nutrient deficiencies begin to crop up as they are unable to resupply important vitamins and minerals through veganism.
Some people, like Jordan Peterson, advocate for an all carnivore diet, as it eases some of their autoimmune symptoms.
To find the best diet for you, start with only one food (e.g. beef), and eat that one food for 30 days. Then, add another food (e.g. broccoli) and eat those two foods for 30 days. You'll notice the reactions you have to the food after a month and be able to decide for yourself if you want to keep it in your diet.
Nutrient deficiencies do not "begin to pop up" the modern diet is already deficient. Many people are deficient in magnesium for example. Which nutrient deficiencies "pop up" due to a vegan diet? B12? Simple as taking a pill everyday. B12 is a deficiency that can affect anyone.
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ardvarcus ago
Veganism is a cult religion. When you deliberately distort your natural diet, there are consequences. Human beings are designed to eat meat as well as fruits, vegetables, grains and other plant foods.
Zanbato ago
humans and primates are NOT designed to eat meat. That is why we get arteriosclerosis from eating meat. Natural carnivores (you know, the animals with actual sharp teeth and claws) will never get it even eating unlimited meat.
dundundunnnnn ago
prove it
everything available now is a man-made hybrid; none of the fruits, vegetables or grains available are anything close to the form they are found in nature, so again I say
prove it
PsiloTheWolf ago
Know what else is unnatural and man made besides modern produce? Domestic meat. If your argument applies to vegetables and fruit, it also applies to beef etc. Seriously its so far different from wild game, and its fed with fucking corn and whatnot, and pumped full of hormones and antibiotics and shit. Wild game is the ticket.
dundundunnnnn ago
I don't disagree at all.
4saken ago
We aren't designed to eat meat, We Evolved to eat meat. Here is the study proving that: https://www.nature.com/articles/nature16990
dundundunnnnn ago
Also...
That study mentions smaller stomachs.
What do the stomachs of animals who eat plants all day look like?
I'll wait.
4saken ago
Dude, what point are you trying to drive home to me, we AGREE.
dundundunnnnn ago
You said
We are designed to eat raw meat.
4saken ago
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5417583/
Look man, I don't agree with ya on that one. We could not all be immune to the diseases that are in raw meat. We would not have had antibodies to fight them off. We would have had people dieing from it until only those who weren't effect, those who had genes to combat it, survived. Thus Evolution, survival of the fittest.
I am not going to say that God didn't create man.
Lastly, I linked the wrong study, that is my fault. The last time I had to reference this study it was in the top results. It isn't now. We know why after reading the study I first posted.
dundundunnnnn ago
As a side note, it's refreshing to see a few users on voat who don't buy into the vegan/plant-based NWO diet propaganda. I've had a hell of a time trying to reach people on other subs. They just call names. I've never actually run into other users who know better. Nice.
4saken ago
I am a Texan. Beef is king. Nothing else matters in my diet.
dundundunnnnn ago
Ayyyyyyeeee, false premise. Start over.
4saken ago
No more responses. I just stated that but I had this one sitting in my box. Last nibble at this topic. You can make claims like that but I linked the correct study and laid out why in my most recent response. We went from plants to meat. That is evolving your diet. No more responses from me on this topic.
dundundunnnnn ago
Zero source given for this. The next sentence
Go check out 77 and 78 and let me know where you find this information.
https://books.google.com/books?hl=en&lr=&id=8p-AG8cqCJwC&oi=fnd&pg=PT6&ots=jABZkzEoXw&sig=2xspyVFlBsCkhf9Ga7MK4Ekhprg#v=onepage&q&f=false
https://books.google.com/books?hl=en&lr=&id=nyPgBAAAQBAJ&oi=fnd&pg=PP1&ots=_bmN-8Ccug&sig=HFX5V4bBDk5IvaEsf2w6fremNFw#v=onepage&q&f=false
dundundunnnnn ago
That is not what that study says. Where are you getting this information from in the study?
dundundunnnnn ago
We are designed to eat raw meat, we evolved to eat cooked meat.
Who paid for that study?
Who pays the piper gets to pick the tune.
4saken ago
We know the answer to that, my point was evolution was involved. THE main point is that we agree that meat is necessary to the human diet today. Those who don't consume it are mentally deficient just by the pure nature of them not getting the correct nutrients to maintain a healthy brain.
dundundunnnnn ago
You said we aren't designed to eat meat.
That's not true.
We are designed to eat meat. We did not evolve to eat meat.
4saken ago
The study I just links argues against that claim. You can claim your side and I can claim mine, I have provided a link for my claim to a study that discusses the fact we evolved to eat meat. We started out foraging then went to hunting. Therefore, by simple logic we Evolved from eating a plant based diet to a meat based diet. Our teeth even had to evolve to consume it.
We can agree to disagree man. I don't want to waste any more time on this topic.
dundundunnnnn ago
Which part of the study argues that humans are not designed to eat raw meat?
4saken ago
I agree to disagree. Last response on this thread.
dundundunnnnn ago
You and NPR are free to agree with each other
https://www.npr.org/sections/13.7/2016/05/19/478645426/humans-are-meathooked-but-not-designed-for-meat-eating
How dose that feel? Knowing you and NPR agree? We're in the conspiracy sub, so I expect you know who runs NPR and who and what they work for. Fun!
dundundunnnnn ago
I don't think you actually read the study or it's sources.
2fast4u92 ago
We are designed to eat a large majority of meat, with a bit of fruit, grain, and tubers. Vegetables (as in leaves, not tubers like potatoes or fruits that are commonly called vegetables like the tomato) are designed by nature to have toxins to prevent their being eaten by animals. These are bad for you in every way. Kale, which vegans seem to love, is one of the worst.
nukeclear ago
Ask me how I know you’re a fatass
Empire_of_the_mind ago
Vegetables don't make you thin, retard
2fast4u92 ago
Why do you think I'm a fatass, in light of the fact that in Sweden, the hunter/fishers of the North were far healthier than the farmers of the South? Or the fact that our brain size/gut size ratio and stomach acidity clearly points towards us needing a meat heavy diet? Maybe I should make clear, when I say meat, I don't mean McMeat, I mean the real stuff.
notaspy ago
Makes me wonder about chinks. They use meat mainly for garnish and vegetables as their main course. American-Chinese food is mega calorie and basically White mans food. This is why, imo, chinks are just like niggers - far below White people. Sure they are great human computers, but they burn dogs alive and eat them so... Fuck thisgayearth.jpg
2fast4u92 ago
Chinks may not be overweight, but they are undersized in general. Americans and nowdays most white countries eat too much processed shit, which is why we see obesity. Fresh meat is the healthiest food for us. It's been proven that we can literally eat meat and water and be just fine. To get all nutrients though eating the organs of herbivores is nessesary, and such a diet would be quite boring, so I don't think such extremes are nescessary. But our stomach acidity is designed for meat. Eating lots of plant based food just weighs our gut down as we aren't set up to completely break it down, unlike herbivores which usually have more than one stomach, of lower acidity which allows the needed bacteria to grow which breaks it all the way down.
notaspy ago
Wow, thanks for the info! I was vegan for a short stint and I was constantly hungry even after eating bowls and bowls of grain and veggies. Nothing satiates like meat.
goodbyehorses ago
Moralfag, how is eating chickens, calf etc justified but hurr durr no, don't eat dogs!
notaspy ago
Enjoy your dog meat, fucking savage
dundundunnnnn ago
Effeminate, technology stealing, cheaters. Try again.
Tiptop88 ago
Grains, this includes potatoes and corn, are incomplete foods and should be eaten sparingly. Grains are good for calories, but lack many micro nutrients. Sticking to vegetables and meat, this includes organs, will provide you with everything your body needs.
2fast4u92 ago
Yes. But tubers (roots, potatoes, carrots, etc) and vegetables that are actually fruit (contain seeds, tomatoes etc) are far healthier than leaves (spinach, lettuce, kale) In general our stomach acidity and brain size to gut size ratio is what points to meat being what we are primarily made to eat. Eating lots of plant based material puts a lot of dead weight in our guts as our stomach acidity is too high for many bacteria that herbivores have to grow and completely break down plant matter. I try to eat a majority of meat and the rest mostly tubers and fruits, with some grains but only for varietys sake. It has been shown that herbivores organs contain all the vitamins from plants that we actually need so one could survive solely on meat and water, but it would be pretty boring.
Tiptop88 ago
I also try to eat mostly meat. Grass fed is the most ideal. If you can incorporate organ meat into your diet, you can cut your plant intake by even less. Organ meats contain the highest amount of micronutrients per ounce.
Also, your take on kale is 💯.
2fast4u92 ago
Absolutely. I am trying to incorporate more organs, and eat more game rather than story bought meat as I know it's healthier. I've always had a good metabolism so for a long time I just ate whatever and didn't care, but since I've actively been eating healthier my energy levels have improved noticably.
LightningAndTheSun ago
Grains destroy your GI tract for the most part. There's a reason grains were historically saved for peasants while the king got the good meat.
dundundunnnnn ago
I disagree.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KtgyJ--X61g
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AfNfehT5F2gYouTube
Empire_of_the_mind ago
Veganism fucks with people's mental health and needs to be vigorously opposed.
sometimessage ago
Have you ever learned about the defining features of a cult? Veganism does not come close.
P.S. evolution is not sentient and therefore cannot design anything.
70times7 ago
Designed? As in by God?
Then no. They are not designed for meat.
Mans first diet was only seeds and nuts. (Genesis 1:29)
If you mean human beings "evolved" to eat meat, then meh. We can skip the back and forth and i'll just bang my head against the desk.
Empire_of_the_mind ago
Or, you know, you fail to understand Genesis.
70times7 ago
Problem with that is, by the grace of God, i dont.
Id link you to a lecture on the ridiculous of evolution, using secular sources as the ridicule. But as it is 5 hours long and a thorough scientific debunking of evolution, I know you wont care.
<random distraction show> will be on soon. I dont want you to miss it.
Go <sportsteam> !
Niggardly_Jew ago
Vegans feel good immediately after switching to veganism because they cut out a lot of bad things from their diet, particularly bread and corn, which suck without meat or butter to complement them. Then, much time later, nutrient deficiencies begin to crop up as they are unable to resupply important vitamins and minerals through veganism.
Some people, like Jordan Peterson, advocate for an all carnivore diet, as it eases some of their autoimmune symptoms.
To find the best diet for you, start with only one food (e.g. beef), and eat that one food for 30 days. Then, add another food (e.g. broccoli) and eat those two foods for 30 days. You'll notice the reactions you have to the food after a month and be able to decide for yourself if you want to keep it in your diet.
FahuckYahoo ago
Nutrient deficiencies do not "begin to pop up" the modern diet is already deficient. Many people are deficient in magnesium for example. Which nutrient deficiencies "pop up" due to a vegan diet? B12? Simple as taking a pill everyday. B12 is a deficiency that can affect anyone.