never? really. I only update if it is a serious security fuck update. I also use the lowest memory phones (no pics...) and I think that helps too. Could say more but that might give away position.
I’ve been using an iPhone 6s Plus and honestly I can keep using it because I’m not having issues. I think Apple does a pretty good job of keeping old products usable they don’t even need to keep updating them.
If there was any other platform that was better, I’d use it. Unfortunately they still have the best running products. I know this because the wife has gone back and forth every couple years. I admit there is some bullshit that comes with it.
If you think about it, that's why a company like Go-Pro is not really a profitable business structure. They have designed a product that is extremely rugged and not meant to break. Granted they may make new and "improved" models, but if you are satisfied with the quality of the old one there is no incentive to buy a "new" model. They assumed everyone was just going to buy the next model of they were happy with they old, but if there was nothing really wrong with the old why replace it. In approximately six years they did transform the hand-held video market but their market value and profits have dwindled.
I used to work in the tech industry and this is absolutely true. We have billion dollar factories around the world and we need to keep manufacturing new units or there'd be no work. Consumers don't want to pay more for a quality product, instead it's easier to sell current trends to them as their attention span is very short.
For me, I go 3-4 years on the same phone doing a monthly cleaning. I'm not big on social media and the primary purpose of a phone is productive communication not narcissistic vanity. However, that's not how our bread-and-butter primary consumer thinks and behaves.
the true reason why this works is the capitalistic mindset. you gotta work hard all day and when you come home you are too weak to do something useful or think but you have a shit ton of money to get rid of to the point they get afraid life choices were not the best. to get rid of that thought you have to, like you deal with all problems, drown it with money, best by buying something shiny that makes you feel better than the rest.
the real problem is that people have too much money. not because of being super rich but because of a lack of purpose and time to think of something useful.
It's legal because at the end of the day, the consumer has a choice of which phone they want to use.
If you're dumb enough to fall for the apple hype, than you deserve everything you get.
Why anyone would update anything when it's already working fine is beyond me. Does it make calls? Does the internet work? Does it not freeze? Is it already fast? What need do you have to update?
Almost all things you buy are engineered to be made as cheaply as possible... some are designed to break after a specified period. Apple is artificially doing this with software updates when they decide to. I also suspect other device manufacturers of doing the same thing.
T-Mobile has done this. They re-purposed all their radio towers by turning off 3G and HSPA/HSPA+ radios. Now everyone on T-Mobile using a phone that doesn't have an LTE 4G radio is forced to Edge speeds.
The FCC is about to obsolete every TV ever made again by changing over to a different incompatible broadcast system. Didn't they just do that in 2009? Hang on to your wallets. Hold off buying that new TV.
Is that's what's going on with 3G? I recently got a sim card that supports LTE, it cost like nothing I waited so long because I didn't bother updating. Put it in my phone that supported LTE this whole time.
The speed difference is ridiculous. It's faster than the connection in most airbnb's.
After selling a few million ipods, Apple realized that real profits are made selling crap to idiots, and abandoned any intelligent customer base they had.
Same with android, and eventually.. you will accidentally install the update.
My screen will occasionally come on to notify me of an update and I can only imagine this happens while the phone is in my pocket.. and if the phone happens to bump my leg just right at this point, the update will install without me even knowing.
Do they make any claims about the longevity of the product?
The laws on how to do business generally just state that you can not promise anything that is not fulfilled, but only in specific cases do they make specific demands of the product - such as only a certain amount of certain substances can be in anything that is used as food.
Because that's what we need... more government intervention, more government regulation. Gotta protect all of those dummies from themselves. Can't have people making choices for themselves. Particularly if they are choices I disagree with.
i would generally agree to let people choose themselves but people are so extremely stupid that their behavior ruins it for the few that are not. if there was an actual free market i could not care less but there is not.
I don't understand why people say that apple is shit. I had a MacBook Pro when I was in elementary for robotics, now I'm in high school, and it works perfectly fine (my brother uses it now).
And my two year old 6s is as fast as ever on iOS11. People just love jumping on a bandwagon, in this case it’s Apple hate, likely when they’ve never owned an Apple product.
I still have my first and only computer, 2010 MacBook Pro. Works well enough. I see no need to upgrade, but I have to say, the new Apple is not the same. I will never buy another iPhone.
GizaDog ago
Everyone is screwed when it comes to phones. Android users get followed 24/7.
BillyRay ago
I would swear Crapcast/Xfinity has done the same thing with DVRs and web services to push the X1 system.
fakebabitz ago
Step 1: Be Me
Step 2: Realize they've been doing planned obsolescence since the original IPod.
Step 3: Avoid their products like the plague.
Step 4: Profit.
ArousedYeti ago
Its the same with android.
shwanky ago
I still use a 4 with no problems. I only talk, txt and use the wifi though.
metism ago
curious. when was the last iOS update you installed?
shwanky ago
never? really. I only update if it is a serious security fuck update. I also use the lowest memory phones (no pics...) and I think that helps too. Could say more but that might give away position.
drj2 ago
I’m fine with planned obsolescence, but don’t make it impossible to repair it and force consumers to take it to specialized shops.
Its_Just_A_Ride ago
For anyone who hasn't seen this documentary about planned obsolescence, I highly recommend it: The Light Bulb Conspiracy
dbvapor ago
I’ve been using an iPhone 6s Plus and honestly I can keep using it because I’m not having issues. I think Apple does a pretty good job of keeping old products usable they don’t even need to keep updating them.
Iblis1 ago
US is a consumer economy
Jesusthug ago
If there was any other platform that was better, I’d use it. Unfortunately they still have the best running products. I know this because the wife has gone back and forth every couple years. I admit there is some bullshit that comes with it.
Javik2186 ago
How to keep an iPhone 4 in perfect condition.
Step 1: don’t update
Step 2: turn off cellular data, Bluetooth, WiFi if you’re not using it, and location services.
Step 3: buy a otter box for it
Step 4: don’t buy music from itunes. In fact, download the songs you want to hear from jewtube by using 2conv or download them straight from hooktube.
Step 5: profit
1ArmedTRex ago
If you think about it, that's why a company like Go-Pro is not really a profitable business structure. They have designed a product that is extremely rugged and not meant to break. Granted they may make new and "improved" models, but if you are satisfied with the quality of the old one there is no incentive to buy a "new" model. They assumed everyone was just going to buy the next model of they were happy with they old, but if there was nothing really wrong with the old why replace it. In approximately six years they did transform the hand-held video market but their market value and profits have dwindled.
Ribena580 ago
But why to trust google on your data
dallasmuseum ago
This is why I turn off auto-updates on everything I own.
spherical_cube ago
Nobody forced you to buy an iPhone to begin with. You want to sink into the manly top arms of Apple, expect to be their bottom bitch.
vastrightwing ago
Ever notice that fiction writers do the same thing? They write the same novel over and over with a new cover and title. People gobble them up!
Flat4Life ago
Part of the reason being is security and malware detection. If hackers didn't want your info the software updates wouldn't have to be so intense.
DeusExSapientia ago
I used to work in the tech industry and this is absolutely true. We have billion dollar factories around the world and we need to keep manufacturing new units or there'd be no work. Consumers don't want to pay more for a quality product, instead it's easier to sell current trends to them as their attention span is very short.
For me, I go 3-4 years on the same phone doing a monthly cleaning. I'm not big on social media and the primary purpose of a phone is productive communication not narcissistic vanity. However, that's not how our bread-and-butter primary consumer thinks and behaves.
Mylifeforanorange ago
I am in total agreement
BurnItAll ago
My 6S works fine. You're paranaoid.
EdSnowden ago
Same. I think it’s people who’ve never even owned an Apple product parroting things they’ve read for karma.
Derpfroot ago
A fool and their money are soon parted.
MannKepetry ago
the true reason why this works is the capitalistic mindset. you gotta work hard all day and when you come home you are too weak to do something useful or think but you have a shit ton of money to get rid of to the point they get afraid life choices were not the best. to get rid of that thought you have to, like you deal with all problems, drown it with money, best by buying something shiny that makes you feel better than the rest.
the real problem is that people have too much money. not because of being super rich but because of a lack of purpose and time to think of something useful.
SaveTheChildren2 ago
Careers are satanic distractions
matthew-- ago
It's legal because at the end of the day, the consumer has a choice of which phone they want to use.
If you're dumb enough to fall for the apple hype, than you deserve everything you get.
Why anyone would update anything when it's already working fine is beyond me. Does it make calls? Does the internet work? Does it not freeze? Is it already fast? What need do you have to update?
MrKequc ago
Man there are animated emojis
It has revolutionised the way in which humans communicate on a whole new level. Things will never be the same again and I'm just not gonna update?
matthew-- ago
Can't tell if serious...
I just use weixin (WeChat). And send gifs. Emojis are old.
MrKequc ago
Maybe your emojis are old, you should update the phone.
matthew-- ago
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jhaluska ago
They seem to offer the worst value for the money and their users seem proud of that fact.
MrKequc ago
Apple tapped into what seems like an impossible market. One that is more likely to buy something the more you mark up the price.
jhaluska ago
They want all their products to be a status symbols. They always price them at the high end of the market.
GuannaRue ago
You can always choose to stop using their shitty products.
metism ago
never owned one, myself, but it's always funny to see people I know fall for that shit
Rotteuxx ago
Funny is when people know about it & keep buying icrap because "everything I own is apple & works together"
vastrightwing ago
Almost all things you buy are engineered to be made as cheaply as possible... some are designed to break after a specified period. Apple is artificially doing this with software updates when they decide to. I also suspect other device manufacturers of doing the same thing.
T-Mobile has done this. They re-purposed all their radio towers by turning off 3G and HSPA/HSPA+ radios. Now everyone on T-Mobile using a phone that doesn't have an LTE 4G radio is forced to Edge speeds.
The FCC is about to obsolete every TV ever made again by changing over to a different incompatible broadcast system. Didn't they just do that in 2009? Hang on to your wallets. Hold off buying that new TV.
Flat4Life ago
2G and 3G are obsolete. If you think 3mbps is fast with a perfect signal than you must believe DSL is still a viable technology.
MrKequc ago
Is that's what's going on with 3G? I recently got a sim card that supports LTE, it cost like nothing I waited so long because I didn't bother updating. Put it in my phone that supported LTE this whole time.
The speed difference is ridiculous. It's faster than the connection in most airbnb's.
vastrightwing ago
Unfortunately 4G LTE requies specific hardware in your phone. If your phone isn't equipped with it, a SIM card won't help.
MannKepetry ago
oh, the lovely FCC with its Trump puppet Ajit Pai. if thir headqurter just happened to explode tomorrow then nothing of value would be lost.
EngelbertHumperdinck ago
After selling a few million ipods, Apple realized that real profits are made selling crap to idiots, and abandoned any intelligent customer base they had.
vastrightwing ago
Being ignorant is expensive.
iDontShift ago
nah, the real ipod was awesome, shit went bad, really bad, after steve jobs died.
i had an apple computer running for 10 years, they used to be built to last.
SolarBaby ago
Do you want to update?
No.
iOS 11 Update downloaded and ready to install. [Install now] [Later]
Never. (Delete 2Gb install file from device)
(Next day) Warning, Device storage low. iOS 11 Downloaded and ready to install. [Now] [Later]
Repeat ad infinitum
ArousedYeti ago
Same with android, and eventually.. you will accidentally install the update.
My screen will occasionally come on to notify me of an update and I can only imagine this happens while the phone is in my pocket.. and if the phone happens to bump my leg just right at this point, the update will install without me even knowing.
tecuani ago
Do they make any claims about the longevity of the product?
The laws on how to do business generally just state that you can not promise anything that is not fulfilled, but only in specific cases do they make specific demands of the product - such as only a certain amount of certain substances can be in anything that is used as food.
metism ago
I think the point is the they don't inform you that their 'update' is designed to break or slow down your phone.
Out of about 12 iphone users I've asked or talked to about this, every single one has had the same problem.
I've never had an iphone, personally
LisasDentalPlan ago
Because that's what we need... more government intervention, more government regulation. Gotta protect all of those dummies from themselves. Can't have people making choices for themselves. Particularly if they are choices I disagree with.
MannKepetry ago
i would generally agree to let people choose themselves but people are so extremely stupid that their behavior ruins it for the few that are not. if there was an actual free market i could not care less but there is not.
GuannaRue ago
Exactly, just don't buy their products.
Shekels speak louder than words.
fartyshorts ago
This used to be a conspiracy theory, but at this point it is conspiracy fact.
blackdovespeaks ago
I don't understand why people say that apple is shit. I had a MacBook Pro when I was in elementary for robotics, now I'm in high school, and it works perfectly fine (my brother uses it now).
EdSnowden ago
And my two year old 6s is as fast as ever on iOS11. People just love jumping on a bandwagon, in this case it’s Apple hate, likely when they’ve never owned an Apple product.
Flour ago
Is your 6s really faster? Have one myself, but have been skeptical to update since ios10 doesn't have much wrong really
EdSnowden ago
I don’t know if it’s faster, but it’s not any slower. I went from 9 to 11, so I can’t say if it’s worth it for you.
DefenderOfTruth ago
I still have my first and only computer, 2010 MacBook Pro. Works well enough. I see no need to upgrade, but I have to say, the new Apple is not the same. I will never buy another iPhone.
generalcalm ago
I've smashed mine long before it becomes obsolete!
kneo24 ago
As most users appear to do. "Oops I dropped my smartphone and broke it again!"
TheElusiveSage ago
Why is planned obsolescence legal?
Because fuck you buy more shit cattle.
thatguyiam ago
They should have fixed fucking software platforms for each phone model.
TheElusiveSage ago
Oh noes, that security hole that we knew about when we launched the platform is now accessible to anyone stricken with boredom!
THINK OF THE HACKERS CATTLE
thatguyiam ago
When it comes to additional functionalities not present at realease. I doubt security updates make it slow, if thats all it was
TheElusiveSage ago
Not what i'm saying, its not that they make it slow.... Just that its an excuse to force you to update the phone and break its functionality.
thatguyiam ago
Ah, i misread your comment & thot that u said "security hole we didn't know about..."