pretty definitive proof. especially because of the events going on in during the missions (we were bombing vietnam, covering up murder of a whole village)
but gets into the timeline of the launches, the experience we had at the time... so much more.
then watch some of the more recent iss vids where you see a lid bounce/bend when it is suppose to be made out of metal.
see them using cables, and augmented reality for all of iss videos. and hairspray. and now the men are bald to avoid that problem. such a joke, seems so obvious now.
It was an alchemical occult ritual working. Every school child in America was sat in front of the TV at school to watch the school teacher they had learned about for months go to space. Mass traumatization of every one of those children, myself included. We concluded from that event several things: Space travel is real, space travel is dangerous, even experts fuck up and God kills innocents for no reason. Too bad it was all a con to frighten schoolchildren.
Also, this took the death of L. Ron Hubbard, potentially a massive Scientology scandal out of the news. Scientology is nothing more than Aleister Crowley's Thelema in a sci-fi package. L. Ron Hubbard learned everything he knew from Jack Parsons, the head of the Ordo Templi Orientis in Pasadena and the inventor of the solid-rocket fuel used in the Apollo missions, the founder of Jet Propulsion Laboratories (Jack Parsons Laboratories), the guy who would recite Crowley's Hymn to Pan during rocket launches. I think you can safely conclude that the satanists that run Scientology are in league with the satanists who run NASA.
"In 1986, Hubbard was hiding out at his Southern California ranch. One fine day, he died, hopped up out of his mind on the psychiatric medication Vistaril. David Miscavige and a couple of other top Scilons zoomed up there to prevent the Coroner from doing any more damage than he had already done, drawing a sample of LRH's dead blood and discerning the Vistaril. There would be no autopsy. The cremation will be tomorrow kthxbye. The next day the space shuttle Challenger exploded, and nobody really paid much attention to Hubbard's death."
This was the first major event I remember as a youth that made me really think. not about any conspiracy but how dangerous space travel was and whatnot. As a result its not just etched but ingrained in my mind. To consider that this was all some sort of show really hits home with me, and im already a conspiracy nut. My question is this: for what purpose? There had to be a reason.
This could all be from the other timeline - some goats with a better memory than myself might confirm. I was really little when this happened and I don't remember much.
Could the point of faking it be a test of sorts to see how easily NASA could trick the public? Maybe for emotional persuasion? Or like someone else mentioned maybe just a distraction to hide other wrongdoing? Also possibly a satanic ritual? This fascinates me, first I've heard of it.
I'm gona play devil's advocate here, why would NASA stage this and soil their reputation for years to come? I can't think of any motivation for the challenger accident to be staged.
Doesn't mean there isn't one, nor does it counter any of the evidence offered.
Lack of awareness of the motive doesn't mean much at all, really.
Like a cat who says he can find no reason why his owner won't feed him more often. Your vantage point does not contain the motive within its purview, so not being able to propose a motive is not very surprising.
normally there is a "follow the money" clause here but there isnt one in this case. the ONLY thing I can think of for this to be faked somehow is to send a message to a foreign power, but that message cant be interpreted as a good one so im at a loss personally here
You're right, (and im going abstract a bit here) lack of consequence, in this case motivation, doesn't disprove causality. But under that logic, we can claim all sorts of fun relationships that carry no value in the real world. Example, instead of believing collisions between subatomic particles carry heat, we can argue little knomes with pink hand baskettes actually carry the heat. The problem is if it still functions the same way, it doesnt matter how it happens except for maybe smashing some garden knomes every time i get burnt.
I know a lot of people at NASA, some of them are my friends, some were in mission control when this happened, and others are in the astronaut program right now. So it hits home when you say colleagues were murdered and engineers "living" with guilt for years actually couldn't have stopped it.
So please, beyond circustantial evidence, what else is there to go on here?
I am doing nothing but drawing my own conclusions here but, if you were ever on trial, I bet you'd be pretty upset if you were sent to jail on circumstantial evidence, which is what happened to Avery. Generally, its a weak and often ill-informed platform to take action from. May I offer this:
I am unable to find a single credible source which links the photo richard scobee now to the his name aside from LinkedIn (which anyone can create) and the company cows in trees inc. seems to just be a letterbox company in Chicago.
A quick search through professor Judith resnik's CV shows she was involved academically in law well before the challenger disaster. Here is one of her articles dated 2 years prior to the accident: http://digitalcommons.law.yale.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1935&context=fss_papers and there are many more. I find it very hard believe someone would have the time to go through law school, making an impressive list of publications, while also in the astronaut program; the two are simply mutually exclusive.
At the time Reagan was trying to get the Star Wars program funded. All talk of the program disappeared around the same time but we know better. This disaster made it happen. NASA was viewed as incompetent and so the covert military space program began.
indeed. but check deeply (when you have a day to read) in cia lib online.
i accidently closed a tab while reading a document, and I'm paraphrasing; "teach insert name or something how to bend space and time while they're bored up there"
we have something in orbit, around—something "out-there" or "above". there is another plain or realm in which we either are exploring, or have been actively participating in for many years.
actors yes, but there are legit discoveries above... or whatever term we it actually is.
They are certainly on board with non-disclosure. Too bad History will view all our space pioneers as principal traitors in mankinds greatest hoax: the dismissal of alien intelligent life thriving around us.
Nasa are all satanists. It's hilarious when atheists tell me believing in God is ancient fairy tale bullshit, then jerk themselves off to lies made up by satanists.
Top guy is off, the older Scobee has slightly different bone structure by that photo. and the rest of the crew? there were seven... you know maybe they just have the same name and look very much like each other, just 'look alike'
In the end we need to ask ourselves this question:
It’s one thing that one of the Challenger’s crew members resembles someone alive today. For that, we can chalk it up to a coincidence.
It’s another thing entirely that SIX members of the Challenger crew have doppelgängers who are alive, in some cases with exactly the same names (Richard Scobee, Michael J. Smith, Judith Resnick, Sharon McAuliffe). What are the chances of that?
You don’t have to be an expert in mathematics to know that those odds defy statistical probability.
It's so strange that it makes me wonder. If we can collect and verify more information about the living people, it should be able to debunk the claims of this conspiracy. Of course, it could also blow the conspiracy wide open, if the details are even more coincidental.
from the Vulgate firmamentum, which is used as the translation of the Hebrew raki'a . This word means simply "expansion." It denotes the space or expanse like an arch appearing immediately above us.
"It can't be a conspiracy, they wouldn't be that obvious"
The big lie, tell a lie so big the public can't accept it's a lie, and hide the truth in plain sight so obviously that none would belive that it's really the truth. Headology mind magic 101.
Also, I've seen plenty of social experiments, done by professional trolls, that demonstrate just how absent minded people are, when paying attention to the world around them. I would actually be surprised if they weren't cocky about what they get away with, half the time. Almost to a degree that it's plausible they intentionally do shit wide in the open, knowing that no one's going to notice the cock-scented air of them waving their dicks right in our faces.
They have to tell us what they are doing. Satanists have to tell us how they are deceiving us. I forgot if God made them or that it's in the bible or something. It's a rule though. They have to do it.
I believe it has something to do with karma and its effects. If they tell us what they are doing then the negative blow back to them is negated because they told us. Its not their fault we didn't listen.
Yeah that sounds like it. Because they told us, it's our fault for being too dumb to listen and do something about it. Jokes on you satan dick suckers. We're waking people the fuck up and are doing something about you. Drink the baby blood while you still can. All of ya'll are going to hang.
It's not a fight. I talk about something. That hurt your feelings. Now you are telling me how hurt you are. If this way a fight, I would have to fight you in some way. Which I am not doing.
They are. However since I am part of the gen pop and I am not one of the retarded sheep, I feel I have a duty to expose their lies to anyone who will listen.
I think it's part of an anti-conspiracy double-bluff system. Likely someone has studied human psychological "triggers" to information relating to scandals and conspiracy stories, and found that using same or similar names just catches the majority of people in a cognitive or logical blindspot. While "conspiracy nuts" on the autistic spectrum recognize it as a telltale pattern worth looking into further. Which "outs" them to the conspiracy creators as worth keeping tabs on, and feeding false info to, etc.
See the Charlottesville Patsy and the stunt driver military guy. Nearly identical names. Maybe it just creates enough narrative confusion that the average mouthbreather will just throw the towel in and lose interest. Where the average sperg will wonder why nobody else finds this coincidence totally fucked up.
Perhaps the Challenger was never intended to explode, yet they missions it was sent on never actually carried human crew. So when it failed catastrophically, they had to avoid explaining why there was no crew aboard.
There is another theory (with evidance) that it was shot down by a Russian sphere ship ( like German bell craft and us tr3b) we may never know what the secret space programs where really up to, but it seems like more and more of "accepted history" is just a big show to distract us.
The entire "space program" is for public consumption purposes only.
We haven't needed these obsolete and dangerous technologies for decades...it's a front while the world of black ops consumes all important tech that would literally liberate humanity.
Making space exploration unpopular with the masses, so private interests could "own space" as it were. But also worth checking what was happening in the news in the lead up to the disaster, that TPTB wanted a huge distraction from.
iDontShift ago
wagging the moon doggie
pretty definitive proof. especially because of the events going on in during the missions (we were bombing vietnam, covering up murder of a whole village)
but gets into the timeline of the launches, the experience we had at the time... so much more.
then watch some of the more recent iss vids where you see a lid bounce/bend when it is suppose to be made out of metal.
see them using cables, and augmented reality for all of iss videos. and hairspray. and now the men are bald to avoid that problem. such a joke, seems so obvious now.
ruiner777 ago
It was an alchemical occult ritual working. Every school child in America was sat in front of the TV at school to watch the school teacher they had learned about for months go to space. Mass traumatization of every one of those children, myself included. We concluded from that event several things: Space travel is real, space travel is dangerous, even experts fuck up and God kills innocents for no reason. Too bad it was all a con to frighten schoolchildren.
Also, this took the death of L. Ron Hubbard, potentially a massive Scientology scandal out of the news. Scientology is nothing more than Aleister Crowley's Thelema in a sci-fi package. L. Ron Hubbard learned everything he knew from Jack Parsons, the head of the Ordo Templi Orientis in Pasadena and the inventor of the solid-rocket fuel used in the Apollo missions, the founder of Jet Propulsion Laboratories (Jack Parsons Laboratories), the guy who would recite Crowley's Hymn to Pan during rocket launches. I think you can safely conclude that the satanists that run Scientology are in league with the satanists who run NASA.
shadow332 ago
Thanks for this info, I never thought about that.
englishwebster ago
This was the first major event I remember as a youth that made me really think. not about any conspiracy but how dangerous space travel was and whatnot. As a result its not just etched but ingrained in my mind. To consider that this was all some sort of show really hits home with me, and im already a conspiracy nut. My question is this: for what purpose? There had to be a reason.
Slayfire122 ago
No. Unfortunately you're real.
Cheesebooger ago
I remember seeing this over a decade ago. Good stuff that makes one think
10395146? ago
Jesus they even sound the same. Wtf.
10395120? ago
This could all be from the other timeline - some goats with a better memory than myself might confirm. I was really little when this happened and I don't remember much.
10394968? ago
Could the point of faking it be a test of sorts to see how easily NASA could trick the public? Maybe for emotional persuasion? Or like someone else mentioned maybe just a distraction to hide other wrongdoing? Also possibly a satanic ritual? This fascinates me, first I've heard of it.
0b01000101 ago
I'm gona play devil's advocate here, why would NASA stage this and soil their reputation for years to come? I can't think of any motivation for the challenger accident to be staged.
SonOfRobin ago
Who says NASA is really in charge.
Atma42 ago
"I cannot think of any motivation..."
Doesn't mean there isn't one, nor does it counter any of the evidence offered.
Lack of awareness of the motive doesn't mean much at all, really.
Like a cat who says he can find no reason why his owner won't feed him more often. Your vantage point does not contain the motive within its purview, so not being able to propose a motive is not very surprising.
englishwebster ago
normally there is a "follow the money" clause here but there isnt one in this case. the ONLY thing I can think of for this to be faked somehow is to send a message to a foreign power, but that message cant be interpreted as a good one so im at a loss personally here
0b01000101 ago
You're right, (and im going abstract a bit here) lack of consequence, in this case motivation, doesn't disprove causality. But under that logic, we can claim all sorts of fun relationships that carry no value in the real world. Example, instead of believing collisions between subatomic particles carry heat, we can argue little knomes with pink hand baskettes actually carry the heat. The problem is if it still functions the same way, it doesnt matter how it happens except for maybe smashing some garden knomes every time i get burnt.
I know a lot of people at NASA, some of them are my friends, some were in mission control when this happened, and others are in the astronaut program right now. So it hits home when you say colleagues were murdered and engineers "living" with guilt for years actually couldn't have stopped it.
So please, beyond circustantial evidence, what else is there to go on here?
Atma42 ago
Same faces, same names, same voices.
The odds of this being coincidence are extraordinarily low.
Granted, its all circumstantial evidence but its not realistic to expect much more than that.
Have to draw conclusions yourself from here. Its way more plausible than basket gnomes carrying heat exchanges.
0b01000101 ago
I am doing nothing but drawing my own conclusions here but, if you were ever on trial, I bet you'd be pretty upset if you were sent to jail on circumstantial evidence, which is what happened to Avery. Generally, its a weak and often ill-informed platform to take action from. May I offer this:
I am unable to find a single credible source which links the photo richard scobee now to the his name aside from LinkedIn (which anyone can create) and the company cows in trees inc. seems to just be a letterbox company in Chicago.
A quick search through professor Judith resnik's CV shows she was involved academically in law well before the challenger disaster. Here is one of her articles dated 2 years prior to the accident: http://digitalcommons.law.yale.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1935&context=fss_papers and there are many more. I find it very hard believe someone would have the time to go through law school, making an impressive list of publications, while also in the astronaut program; the two are simply mutually exclusive.
bluedeath ago
At the time Reagan was trying to get the Star Wars program funded. All talk of the program disappeared around the same time but we know better. This disaster made it happen. NASA was viewed as incompetent and so the covert military space program began.
Obliteration ago
nasa astronauts are actors and freemasons
10446037? ago
indeed. but check deeply (when you have a day to read) in cia lib online.
i accidently closed a tab while reading a document, and I'm paraphrasing; "teach insert name or something how to bend space and time while they're bored up there"
we have something in orbit, around—something "out-there" or "above". there is another plain or realm in which we either are exploring, or have been actively participating in for many years.
actors yes, but there are legit discoveries above... or whatever term we it actually is.
QuestionEverything ago
They are certainly on board with non-disclosure. Too bad History will view all our space pioneers as principal traitors in mankinds greatest hoax: the dismissal of alien intelligent life thriving around us.
JoeMontana ago
Nasa are all satanists. It's hilarious when atheists tell me believing in God is ancient fairy tale bullshit, then jerk themselves off to lies made up by satanists.
fuckonthefirstdate ago
its shit like this why i cant take voat seriously. this whole website is full of fucking retards. im leaving.
JoeMontana ago
The people like me that know about how this all works are everywhere. You can't run away from us. We will follow you with the truth for all eternity.
LiberationArtFront ago
Top guy is off, the older Scobee has slightly different bone structure by that photo. and the rest of the crew? there were seven... you know maybe they just have the same name and look very much like each other, just 'look alike'
JoeMontana ago
What does your post have to do with mine? You don't want to give up your space fantasy?
Adminstrater ago
What the hell? I've never heard of this conspiracy, but just a few searches on duckduckgo has turned out some interesting reads.
https://archive.fo/LOycJ <- Archive of: https://fellowshipoftheminds.com/2015/04/30/are-the-crew-members-of-1986-space-shuttle-challenger-still-alive/
Uncle_Slob ago
I don't know, using the same names? This could just be hoxz.
Adminstrater ago
It's so strange that it makes me wonder. If we can collect and verify more information about the living people, it should be able to debunk the claims of this conspiracy. Of course, it could also blow the conspiracy wide open, if the details are even more coincidental.
RURAL-TROOPER ago
We've never been to space. There is a firmament.
carbanara ago
What about the Redbull stratosphere jump.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FHtvDA0W34I
Where is the firmament?
https://scied.ucar.edu/sites/default/files/images/large_image_for_image_content/stratosphere_diagram_big.jpg
RURAL-TROOPER ago
Fish eye lense. Low earth orbit.
carbanara ago
Where does the firmament start?
RURAL-TROOPER ago
At the edge we are not allowed to visit.
carbanara ago
the point of sinuglarity? or is it closer to earth than that?
Tyranny-News-Network ago
All Red Bull people live in a Fish Eye world, and they're fine with it.
carbanara ago
You realize flat earth is psyop right? All planets are spheres, this has been known since before Pythagoras.
Space is real. Life is not a simulation. We are undergoing a major occulation.
RageAgainstTheAmish ago
JoeMontana ago
At least one who doesn't believe in the satanic lies.
caniscanem ago
Firmament :
from the Vulgate firmamentum, which is used as the translation of the Hebrew raki'a . This word means simply "expansion." It denotes the space or expanse like an arch appearing immediately above us.
tanukihat ago
Why would they use the same names
Sk8rminion ago
"It can't be a conspiracy, they wouldn't be that obvious"
The big lie, tell a lie so big the public can't accept it's a lie, and hide the truth in plain sight so obviously that none would belive that it's really the truth. Headology mind magic 101.
UlyssesEMcGill ago
Names can be symbols of power
JoeMontana ago
Because satanists believe that most of the population is retarded. It's funny to them to mock you for believing whatever they say.
TheTrigger ago
Also, I've seen plenty of social experiments, done by professional trolls, that demonstrate just how absent minded people are, when paying attention to the world around them. I would actually be surprised if they weren't cocky about what they get away with, half the time. Almost to a degree that it's plausible they intentionally do shit wide in the open, knowing that no one's going to notice the cock-scented air of them waving their dicks right in our faces.
iDontShift ago
god i love that video. i like to think i'd notice, but there are definitely times i wouldn't.
JoeMontana ago
They have to tell us what they are doing. Satanists have to tell us how they are deceiving us. I forgot if God made them or that it's in the bible or something. It's a rule though. They have to do it.
shwanky ago
I believe it has something to do with karma and its effects. If they tell us what they are doing then the negative blow back to them is negated because they told us. Its not their fault we didn't listen.
JoeMontana ago
Yeah that sounds like it. Because they told us, it's our fault for being too dumb to listen and do something about it. Jokes on you satan dick suckers. We're waking people the fuck up and are doing something about you. Drink the baby blood while you still can. All of ya'll are going to hang.
fuckonthefirstdate ago
youre the only retarded one i see.
JoeMontana ago
You said you were leaving voat. Now you've gone and made yourself a liar.
fuckonthefirstdate ago
just laughing at the fuckin retards on the way out
JoeMontana ago
Since you are easily triggered. Dinos never existed either. Another thing made up by satanists. Have a nice day!
fuckonthefirstdate ago
ooohhh im so triggered now. good one man u sure got me... u autist.
JoeMontana ago
Get it all out. It'll make you feel better. You obviously have lots of pent up aggression.
fuckonthefirstdate ago
yeah man. so aggressive. youre winning this internet fight bro. good work
JoeMontana ago
It's not a fight. I talk about something. That hurt your feelings. Now you are telling me how hurt you are. If this way a fight, I would have to fight you in some way. Which I am not doing.
fuckonthefirstdate ago
yes my hurt feelings man, please stop textually raping me with your wisdom
JoeMontana ago
I'm not lonely. If you are looking for a chat you'll have to find someone else.
fuckonthefirstdate ago
what a witty reply. dang im done, i cant top that.
RatmanThomas ago
Tbf they are not exactly wrong.
JoeMontana ago
They are. However since I am part of the gen pop and I am not one of the retarded sheep, I feel I have a duty to expose their lies to anyone who will listen.
Gorillion ago
I think it's part of an anti-conspiracy double-bluff system. Likely someone has studied human psychological "triggers" to information relating to scandals and conspiracy stories, and found that using same or similar names just catches the majority of people in a cognitive or logical blindspot. While "conspiracy nuts" on the autistic spectrum recognize it as a telltale pattern worth looking into further. Which "outs" them to the conspiracy creators as worth keeping tabs on, and feeding false info to, etc.
See the Charlottesville Patsy and the stunt driver military guy. Nearly identical names. Maybe it just creates enough narrative confusion that the average mouthbreather will just throw the towel in and lose interest. Where the average sperg will wonder why nobody else finds this coincidence totally fucked up.
Womb_Raider ago
You think there's a correlation between conspiracy speculation and autism disorder?
RageAgainstTheAmish ago
The Serbian Jew double bluff strikes again!
GuannaRue ago
I think you may be right.
Rellik88 ago
This is what Im wondering.
ThorTheWonderful ago
Its called "hiding in plain sight"
tanukihat ago
Woooow, you should work for Witness Protection.
NZ_MPS ago
What would be achieved by faking their deaths?
10395585? ago
Perhaps the Challenger was never intended to explode, yet they missions it was sent on never actually carried human crew. So when it failed catastrophically, they had to avoid explaining why there was no crew aboard.
Sk8rminion ago
There is another theory (with evidance) that it was shot down by a Russian sphere ship ( like German bell craft and us tr3b) we may never know what the secret space programs where really up to, but it seems like more and more of "accepted history" is just a big show to distract us.
axolotl__peyotl ago
The entire "space program" is for public consumption purposes only.
We haven't needed these obsolete and dangerous technologies for decades...it's a front while the world of black ops consumes all important tech that would literally liberate humanity.
Tyranny-News-Network ago
"What would be achieved..." I don't know. Next question.
JoeMontana ago
To get people used to believing whatever lies nasa tells. It's conditioning.
Gorillion ago
Making space exploration unpopular with the masses, so private interests could "own space" as it were. But also worth checking what was happening in the news in the lead up to the disaster, that TPTB wanted a huge distraction from.
VictorSteinerDavion ago
Private interests have always owned space, the public just foot the bill.
RatmanThomas ago
Biggest other news event was the ending of the Ugandan civil war and installation of a pro-West President Museveni who has been in power since 1986..
RatmanThomas ago
Uganda then joins the IMF 1 year later and their new Presidnet was meeting Reagan in the WH.
AinzOown ago
What was happening in the news?
ThorTheWonderful ago
To shut down any chance of another lunar landing
shadow332 ago
I don't know - to convince people we were in space more than we were?
I've stumbled across this conspiracy theory last year and I was wondering if anyone knows more about it.