Yeah, I think we are pretty much in agreement on all those points. The real solution would involve creating a rule that would specifically disallow what HenryCorp did to steal the subverse in the first place, and to stop him from continuing to squat on other "name-brand" subverses.

Unfortunately, I think this would require some actual action on behalf of the administrators, who seem to be too busy recently to get involved. I vaguely remember Atko saying he was aware of the whole HenryCorp situation a while back, but I don't have a link to it. I assumed he would sort it out, but it seems nothing has ever happened.

I'm not sure how to fix the problem if it doesn't get fixed from the top down, but I just generally disagree with mob justice. It would be right in this instance, but like I mentioned before, it sets a rather bad precedent.

You say we don't come here for abstract principles, but I sort of do. It's definitely why I left Reddit.

So let's change the rules to specifically deny corporate entities or paid shills from moderating subverses. I fully support that idea. I don't support breaking the rules on a case-by-case basis because it opens up some major new problems. Everyone should be entitled to and bound by the same laws and protections.

No one is imposing anyone's free speech. That sub has always been a liberal 'Kek, guns kill people' kind of place. You not understanding that doesn't mean anyone is stopping you from posting anything. v/gunarereallycool doesn't exist. Go make it and post there. v/gunsaregreat, v/ilikeguns, v/checkouttheseguns; none of them are taken. If you want to post about how guns are actually cool, make the place and go do it, or just share your opinions with everyone on a system sub, you won't be removed there.

They want a place to be sarcastic and high-minded. They should get that space here as well.

Wow. Just... wow. You're complaining about someone taking 'control' of a website you frequent? How about, and this may seem a bit radical to anyone on this website, you get the fuck off this shitty site and live a normal life outside of the internet? Fucking sad cunt.

You triggered yet faggot? LOL!

What HenryCorp is doing is not free speech. It's the digital form of invasion.

He can SAY whatever he wants. So can you. So can I.

Taking over subverses is not free speech.

If Voat was my site, HenryCorp would have been long gone a long time ago.

@atko @putitout

HenryCorp does not have the best interests of the site in mind. He is not about free speech and freedom of expression. He is all about censorship, and I wish you'd do something about it.

I don't see the mission statement... where is it?

I'm sure there is a throttle on the site so rather difficult. Plus isn't voat protected by cloud flare?

What about instead focusing on making a positive contribution to /v/guns and ignoring the obvious troll cave that is /v/gunsarecool? No need for a 1-to-1 match of sub names against that other shit site. And Voat is still small enough where users can collectively reject and ignore a shitty verse like /v/gunsarecool and others made by the joint HenryCorp marketing team until rendered irrelevant.

I don't know if you have some sort of history with a "gunsarcool" sub here or there and got burned. But seriously, check out the already established /v/guns instead.

Do to the subverse what Atko and puttitout did to reddit. Start your own, better version.

Hitler did nothing wrong.

it happens after you get the money the power then the woman. the subverse is after those.

Fight fire with fire:

Ping @henrycorp for being a dick

Block his subs

Post to a sub that lists all his subs so that noobs will know not to go there.

Create a competing sub with good content.

Henry is a retard but trying to ban him is also not realistic.

It's simple, we kill the cucks.

I would say the most effective course of action would be to have everyone unsubscribe to /v/gunsarecool and subscribe to /v/gunsreallyarecool . Let HenryCuck moderate a sub only he and his alts subscribe to.

/v/MyBox is pretty much private... as in.. nobody visits it.

Unfortunately, not yet

Real talk: The only possible means is to somehow get @Atko or @Puttitout to remove /u/HenryCorp's mod privileges. But, that seems like it isn't going to happen any time soon, as the admins make no money off voat, have real jobs, and have tons of stuff to work on the development end. HenryCorp is low priority, whether you like to think he is or not. Just use alternative subs and keep petitioning the admins for redress.

I would suggest getting in on the ground floor of decentralized social networks, like diaspora* and GNU social instances. Voat is but a way station. There's more exciting things to come in the future.

The issue is, you can't really "take it back" without literally becoming what you despise. The unfortunate side of freedom and free speech is you will have to defend people you disagree with. If we violated our own rules to strip someone of their subverse and/or ban them, what would make us any different from SRS, etc? The fact that our opinions are "right"?

The best course of action is to just keep telling people about what happened, and try to prevent further abuses in the future. I also have a subverse I would love to "liberate", and it's even currently technically abandoned. I just can't bring myself to sink to the level of the assholes who stole it and perverted it in the first place.

Anyways, I agree that @HenryCorp is a real piece of shit. However I don't think the solution can ever be "just ban him and take it back". It has to be within the rules, for legitimate reasons. And unfortunately, HenryCorp generally follows the letter of the law, just not the spirit.

He posted a few items that would let him qualify for a subverse transfer, then waited for the automated system to allow him in. That is how he corrupted the guns subverse.

HenryCorp also tried this with other movie-related subverses but was caught in time by voat users -- he was literally posting completely unrelated content to subverses just to fill out the posting requirements needed to take it over.

He is squatting on name-branded subverses to maintain control of them and eventually exert censorship over them for marketing reasons, much to the detriment of voat users who would facilitate discussion in those subverses without censorship.

@HenryCorp

Fully agree with you. Hey, I had all my stuff deleted from there when he took over, and am banned, for no reason other than I post in pro-gun subs ... but we have alternatives. v/gunsreallyarecool was created to circumvent the problem. No, that's not an ideal solution ... but just letting you know this has been an ongoing discussion and doesn't seem to have a solution other than a work around. I'm with ya though!