I'm mixed on Zionism. I generally oppose that kind of thing, but the world has really stomped the fuck out of Jews multiple times and no one else ever helps. I am sympathetic to wanting an area Jews control and trying to protect Jews, even if I don't like the methods or agree with everything Zionists do.
For example, I'm 100% opposed to further settlements on Palestinian land. But I'm 100% in favor of a nation of Israel existing. On other issues I'm somewhere in the middle. Some would call me a Zionist and others would say I'm not.
Oy vey boo boo. Us little merchants din du nuffin and the evil white man came and sent us out!! Hitler did what he did for no reason!!! (no the holocaust didn't happen)
I'm totally ok with Zionism up to the idea of Jews having one foot out the door when they advocate social policy like South Africa's Black Sash and probably Barbara L Spectre after Sweden falls too. The Jews that do that suck, don't advocate for social conditions because they think God chose them to become a kingdom of priests and they then flee from the results. People are going to react emotionally to the common denominator, and it won't be Spectre that gets hurt.
Otherwise, Jews should have a homeland so that if any land won't have them then they may still prosper. At least as long as people attack Jews for some amongst them that advocate social change, good and bad.
Israel needs to shit or get off the pot though, their state knows the stakes and reality but just won't follow through with where ever their beliefs intersecting with the reality logically take them. They either cannot have a Jewish majority or they need to be "American Pioneers" about the whole thing. Stalling is why the issue of Israel and Palestine persists. Understand I'm saying that I have no right to decide for them, but simply admitting that the Israel and Palestine issue exists by thinking on it you cannot know say that stalling by not admitting the problem exists is an issue.
Yeah, I can see people getting upset when people loyal to Israel advocate for policies in another country. That's reasonable.
I do think my people need a homeland, unfortunately. I sleep better knowing there's somewhere my family could flee if it ever came down to it.
I do think that Israel doesn't want to think about what kind of policies it would take to keep it a Jewish state. Arabs out breed Jews there and Israel is a democracy. Palestine isn't going to stop being hostile either. But no one wants to make an actual apartheid state or kill/exile the Palestinians. I don't want those things either but I don't know that it's possible to have it both ways.
Completely agree, although I believe that Jews are part of nations in Europe that may choose to not become multicultural are they are woven into the history of Europe good times and Bad. I think it is also reasonable to have Jews denounce Zionism, but face their nation turning on them, and flee to Israel as a result. I was really hopeful when Jews began to go back into Germany again but this Migrant crisis will reverse that. Israel is needed moreso during this migrant crisis.
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libby ago
I'm mixed on Zionism. I generally oppose that kind of thing, but the world has really stomped the fuck out of Jews multiple times and no one else ever helps. I am sympathetic to wanting an area Jews control and trying to protect Jews, even if I don't like the methods or agree with everything Zionists do.
For example, I'm 100% opposed to further settlements on Palestinian land. But I'm 100% in favor of a nation of Israel existing. On other issues I'm somewhere in the middle. Some would call me a Zionist and others would say I'm not.
eagleshigh ago
Oy vey boo boo. Us little merchants din du nuffin and the evil white man came and sent us out!! Hitler did what he did for no reason!!! (no the holocaust didn't happen)
Novius ago
I'm totally ok with Zionism up to the idea of Jews having one foot out the door when they advocate social policy like South Africa's Black Sash and probably Barbara L Spectre after Sweden falls too. The Jews that do that suck, don't advocate for social conditions because they think God chose them to become a kingdom of priests and they then flee from the results. People are going to react emotionally to the common denominator, and it won't be Spectre that gets hurt.
Otherwise, Jews should have a homeland so that if any land won't have them then they may still prosper. At least as long as people attack Jews for some amongst them that advocate social change, good and bad.
Israel needs to shit or get off the pot though, their state knows the stakes and reality but just won't follow through with where ever their beliefs intersecting with the reality logically take them. They either cannot have a Jewish majority or they need to be "American Pioneers" about the whole thing. Stalling is why the issue of Israel and Palestine persists. Understand I'm saying that I have no right to decide for them, but simply admitting that the Israel and Palestine issue exists by thinking on it you cannot know say that stalling by not admitting the problem exists is an issue.
libby ago
Yeah, I can see people getting upset when people loyal to Israel advocate for policies in another country. That's reasonable.
I do think my people need a homeland, unfortunately. I sleep better knowing there's somewhere my family could flee if it ever came down to it.
I do think that Israel doesn't want to think about what kind of policies it would take to keep it a Jewish state. Arabs out breed Jews there and Israel is a democracy. Palestine isn't going to stop being hostile either. But no one wants to make an actual apartheid state or kill/exile the Palestinians. I don't want those things either but I don't know that it's possible to have it both ways.
Novius ago
Completely agree, although I believe that Jews are part of nations in Europe that may choose to not become multicultural are they are woven into the history of Europe good times and Bad. I think it is also reasonable to have Jews denounce Zionism, but face their nation turning on them, and flee to Israel as a result. I was really hopeful when Jews began to go back into Germany again but this Migrant crisis will reverse that. Israel is needed moreso during this migrant crisis.