Okay, people are now talking about an IRC cabal, and since I'm an admin of that IRC, it's time for me to make a statement and answer some questions.
This will be a two part post, first speaking as admin of the IRC, and second being purely my perspective on the latest drama.
As admin of the IRC:
So here's the deal. A number of moderators on Voat have become friends with each other on IRC. This is entirely true. However, that IRC server and our conversations are entirely public and many more people who don't have such positions also participate. If any of you want to join, please do, we could use some fresh blood.
Obviously, the most active people who have been here the longest are the ones that acquire mod positions and are most interested in IRC, so yeah, many of us showed up there. Obvious correlation, not causation.
If anyone has questions or concerns, please, post them here or PM them to me, and I'll do my best to answer them. Especially concerns about policy, because I want this place to be as immune to corruption as possible, and IRC policies are a good part of that.
Personal opinion:
What I see is a few people who are intentionally breaking rules and baiting mods into deleting posts so they can feign outrage and then request those subs for themselves, and a few more people who don't like rules or mods of any kind anywhere.
I mean, @ElectroLumus already admitted to a lot of dishonesty, and @nomerasques requested ownership of /v/askvoat after brigading the hell out of his objection to @she by linking it to a couple other subreddits. (He dropped the request a few hours ago because of people calling him out on the obvious conflict of interest.)
Now people are getting angry about /v/seriousdiscussion, but anyone paying attention will notice a few things:
- It's @ElectroLumus causing the outrage again
- The removed posts were breaking the rules of /v/seriousdiscussion
- People trying to argue against the witch hunt also had some posts removed under the same rules
- Posts with the same message that don't break the rules are not being removed
Now, I've said it dozens of times already, and I'll say it again, I can understand some outrage against /v/askvoat's question mark rule, especially when highly upvoted posts are removed. I supported Atko when he removed /v/askvoat from the defaults, I recommended to askvoat mods that they change the rule, and I supported Stoic when he changed it.
However, when someone posts something critical of a mod and intentionally breaks a rule so it will be removed and he can pretend to be angry, fuck that guy. Now the same people are doing exactly the same thing in /v/seriousdiscussion and a hundred others are just taking their bullshit at face value.
If you break rules, your posts will be removed. That's not censorship, that's how the website is designed, how quality is maintained, and how the purpose of many subs (/v/seriousdiscussion especially) is enforced. If you want /v/seriousdiscussion to turn into a cesspool of insults instead of actual serious discussion, then by all means, keep protesting every deletion. The rest of us, myself included, will protest against you.
If you see people deleting posts to push a political agenda, whether it's liberal, conservative, or anything else, then let me know, because I'll join that protest with whatever influence I have.
If you all have any questions or arguments or whatever, I'll respond to whatever I can in the comments below.
Edit: Lol I made manhood101 hate me and even spam up the IRC server. I feel so validated now.
Edit 2: As soon as @ElectroLumus was pinged, @Scandinavian and @kevdude also showed up and I got 5 downvotes on most of my comments. Now, who's in a secret cabal here?
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Scandinavian ago
You can keep stirring this drama as much as you want, but at the end of the day, Atko runs the show alongside the community. 10 angry people from IRC can't do a lot about that.
"She" didn't get the position she wanted on AskVoat. Thousands of users applauded Atko's decision. Now let it go, move on. If anyone is keeping their moderator position on a big sub in spite of users' wishes, they've shown their true colors.
I feel your post here reminds me a whole lot of the Reddit clique. The dismissive language, the blatant lies about what events happened and the always present vicitimhood.
Remember, "She" was trying to grab Level 1 position mod from his/her position as Level 2 mod. The only thing you really get from that is the ability to purge all other mods. We, the community, caught this early on.
This is not Reddit. Take your Reddit behavior elsewhere.
Rea11yN0tMe ago
Thanks. I was not sure what bugged me about @Icy-Defiance post until I read:
I can't say anything about the blatant lies as I haven't followed events, but the other two are certainly spot on.
WatDabney ago
That's the funniest fucking thing I've read all day.
Unintentional irony has always been my favorite kind.
Icy-Defiance ago
Says the blackest pot I've ever seen. If you stop baiting people into deleting posts and pretending to be angry about it specifically to stir up drama, I'll stop defending people from you.
As for the rest of your post, obviously you didn't read mine. Don't make me repeat myself for the 30th time.
Scandinavian ago
The community didn't want "she" as top mod. Neither did this site's founder.
Seriousdiscussion mods got in way over their heads. Voat is not Reddit. Don't make it one, it won't do you any good.
Icy-Defiance ago
Sure, I'd rather Stoic gets the spot, but for completely different reasons. There's a massive difference between opposing a shit rule, and intentionally breaking said rule just to cause drama and then calling everyone who disagrees with you a SJW and telling them to go back to reddit instead of actually arguing with them. Have you ever heard of ad hominem?
He never said anything about that. He didn't remove her from power, didn't deny the subverse request, and didn't give a shit about any of your drama outside of the bad rule, and if you read my post you would know I agree with that.
Actually if she keeps pressing for the spot, she'll probably get it, because according to the current unbiased rules she has first dibs on it. I'm not sure yet if she will push for it, though. Gotta wait and see. And if she does bring back that question mark rule, then I'll protest it along with you. I just won't join in the SJW conspiracy bullshit.
Lol I saw the screenshots. One was defending she, and all had insults, so of course the comments got deleted.
Says the guy who is trying to punish people just because they have opinions you don't agree with. That is an SJW tactic, and I left reddit to get away from that, not from rules in general.
Scandinavian ago
I seriously can't understand how you can lie like that. Like, we're just two people on the internet. You know you're lying about events, but you're just hoping nobody will notice.
Anyway, I'll watch this unfold from a distance for now, it's late. Have fun.
Icy-Defiance ago
Yeah, ElectroLumus already admitted to that one, and you're siding with him. It's also odd that you'd show up the second ElectroLumus got pinged, along with a strong downvote brigade... Very odd indeed....
Scandinavian ago
By all means, get the admins to tell you we're not the same user. @Atko, feel free to share that my location isn't the same.
You're exactly what Voat was created to get away from. Let's see how that works out for you here.
Icy-Defiance ago
Probably not the same user, but definitely part of a not so public cabal. Do you want to make a post about it and invite other people to join like I did?
Crensch ago
A public cabal? You mean people that can actually see the bullshit you post for what it really is?
In a math class, some kids will get to the correct answer.
Some kids will get the wrong answer.
Some kids will get the same wrong answer as other kids near them.
I'm really hoping that I don't have to explain this analogy further.
You already admitted that the mods were friends on a chat platform that most of us don't see, and nobody gives a fuck if you say it's public and that all are welcome - we're here because IRC just wasn't something we were interested in.
Which means that the IRC is nothing but a subreddit (yes, subreddit) you and the others frequent and become buddy-buddy together in. A website we don't want or care to go to. "All are welcome to this subreddit".
Nobody goes for many reasons.
Guess what the rest of us have?
The right answer.
Icy-Defiance ago
So we're not allowed to talk in a public chat room, but ElectroLumus, Scandinavian, and kevdude are allowed to do exactly that in a private chat room and downvote brigade everything that disagrees with them?
Makes sense.
Crensch ago
Nobody said that. Do you require strawmen in order to respond? I guess so - I haven't made it easy for any of you cunts to respond to my words lately.
I'd like to see proof of this. Not that it would make any difference, because, for people that can follow a simple. fucking. analogy. they still came to the correct answer.