Yeah, they also hate Jesus Christ and Christianity as well. To the point that their fairy tale book has a paragraph that states that Jesus is burning in hell in a pot of shit.
Uh, no, the Crusades are actually what let the Turks conquer all of the Balkans and didn't really stop the Saracen advance into Europe at all, it was the Mongols that did that. The only lasting effect of the Crusades was the fall of the Byzantine Empire which allowed the Ottomans to size all of Greece and Anatolia.
Uh, yeah, the Crusaders that attacked Byzantium destroyed the Byzantine Empire, you are the one who denied that, not me, interesting you mention the Latin Massacre because that's just more proof that Christianity is a garbage religion.
No, the Byzantines, who slaughtered their white population, destroyed the byzantine empire. Saying that Byzantium is standing because the walls are standing is nonsense: its the people of Byzantium that made it what it was.
Hahahaha, their White population? You mean the Latin merchants that lived in Constantinople? You do realize that the Latin population of Constantinople weren't natives right? God you are a fucking moron.
You are a fucking idiot, they always called themselves the Roman Empire, the "Byzantine Empire" is a modern creation and the "Latin" population in Constantinople was more recent from Italian city states. Go be a 90 IQ boomoid somewhere else.
No, you are a fucking retard dude, sorry, Latins at the time refereed to Italian merchants not fucking White Romans, who, yes, built the city of Constantinople and were Orthodox Christians, mixing with the local Greeks and Anatolians. The Latins didn't do fuck all besides trade with the Byzantines. Fuck, please, just stop commenting on history, you historically illiterate morons make us look stupid
There's a city in Italy named Rome. That is where Romans came from. The Romans built Byzantium. People from modern Italy were in fact the very people who build Byzantium. After the fall of Rome and a thousand years of Saracen conquest, the natives became darker, less white. The "foreigners" were the builders of the city, and the byzantine slaughter of them was like BLM rioting and claiming they wuz kangs. Crusaders putting a stop to white genocide != the fall of Byzantium.
Okay let's go over this supper slowly for you since you are a retard.
"There's a city in Italy named Rome."
Yes, that is true
"That is where Romans came from."
Also true
"The Romans built Byzantium."
False, Byzantium was an ancient Greek city that existed for thousands of years, Constantinople was founded by Constantine the great as "Nova Roma" in Byzantium to serve as the Eastern Roman Empire's capital though.
"People from modern Italy were in fact the very people who build Byzantium."
Partially false, the people from modern Italy includes later Gothic and Lombard genes that were not present in the original Romans.
"After the fall of Rome and a thousand years of Saracen conquest, the natives became darker, less white."
Somewhat true, but not the amount of mongrelization from the time of the Caesars to the time of Emperors was insignificant.
"The "foreigners" were the builders of the city, and the byzantine slaughter of them was like BLM rioting and claiming they wuz kangs."
No, no they weren't you complete and utter fucking retard, the "Byzantines" (who literally called themselves Romans) were genetically pretty much the same as the ancient Greeks and Romans, but keep on imagining that they must have been dark skinned because... what? It fits your retarded anti-White, pro-Catholic narrative? What about all the Catholic cities along the Illyrian coast the Crusaders sacked? Were they all non-Whites too? You know how hard it is for smart people to deal with retards like you? It's like dealing with fucking shitlibs, you don't really know anything about anything so you just make shit up as you go along to fit your retarded fuckwit narrative.
"Crusaders putting a stop to white genocide != the fall of Byzantium."
Oh yeah, the Crusaders stopped White genocide by destroying the Roman Empire, the thing stopping the Saracen and Turkic hordes from pouring into Europe, never mind the fact that the Mongol horde was in Eastern Europe or the Saracens were in Spain, attacking the Roman Empire and the "Holy Land" was really what saved Europe everyone!!! Never mind the fact that the Turks were in Vienna a few centuries later, never mind the fact the Turks forced the Polish-Lithuanian commonwealth into submission, never mind the fact that Spain was under Saracen rule for another 300 years, who cares right?
Partially false, the people from modern Italy includes later Gothic and Lombard genes that were not present in the original Romans.
I meant Modern Italy as in Italy didn't exist at the time.
No, no they weren't you complete and utter fucking retard, the "Byzantines" (who literally called themselves Romans) were genetically pretty much the same as the ancient Greeks and Romans, but keep on imagining that they must have been dark skinned because... what? It fits your retarded anti-White, pro-Catholic narrative?
They were darker than western Europeans. That's what a thousand years of Saracen conquest does to a people. They're very dark now, it didn't happen over night, it happened over years, and it had already started happening by the time of the first Crusade.
What about all the Catholic cities along the Illyrian coast the Crusaders sacked? Were they all non-Whites too?
Yes, at least partially. That's what a thousand years of Saracen conquest does.
You know how hard it is for smart people to deal with retards like you? It's like dealing with fucking shitlibs, you don't really know anything about anything so you just make shit up as you go along to fit your retarded fuckwit narrative.
I get it entirely. Some people like to pretend that the byzantines just turned dark one day, without any understanding of how a people change over time.
Oh yeah, the Crusaders stopped White genocide by destroying the Roman Empire, the thing stopping the Saracen and Turkic hordes from pouring into Europe,
They were already in ruin. That's why they themselvs had sent diplomats to Rome to request the first crusade.
never mind the fact that the Mongol horde was in Eastern Europe
Stopped by the Teutonic knights: Christians.
or the Saracens were in Spain
Ousted by the Knights of Santiago: Christians
attacking the Roman Empire and the "Holy Land" was really what saved Europe everyone!!!
Yes.
Never mind the fact that the Turks were in Vienna a few centuries later,
That doesn't change the fact that the crusades saved Europe from Saracen conquest.
never mind the fact the Turks forced the Polish-Lithuanian commonwealth into submission
That doesn't change the fact that the crusades saved Europe from Saracen conquest.
never mind the fact that Spain was under Saracen rule for another 300 years, who cares right?
Ousted by the Knights of Santiago: Christians
Yes, the Crusaders saved Europe from Saracen conquest.
"They were darker than western Europeans. That's what a thousand years of Saracen conquest does to a people. They're very dark now, it didn't happen over night, it happened over years, and it had already started happening by the time of the first Crusade."
The Saracens never conquered the Roman-Byzantine Empire, the Saracens actually had more control over Western Europe, you know, Islamic Spain, Sicily and Southern Italy than they ever did over Greece and Constantinople.
"Yes, at least partially. That's what a thousand years of Saracen conquest does."
Illyria is modern day Croatia, it had less Saracen genetic influence than Italy, France, and Spain.
"I get it entirely. Some people like to pretend that the byzantines just turned dark one day, without any understanding of how a people change over time."
No, actually I think they turned somewhat darker when the fucking Turks conquered them, you fucking retard, my point was that they weren't significantly darker in 1200 than the fucking Italians were, who, mind you, were under, alongside the rest of Western Europe, constant raids from Muslims in North Africa and Spain, but did the Crusaders attack the Muslims there and stop the White slave trade? No, they attacked the Graeco-Roman Orthodox Christians and the "Holy Land."
"Stopped by the Teutonic knights: Christians."
No, the Teutonic knights didn't stop the Mongols, the Teutonic Knights fought White Pagan Baltic tribes, not the Mongols, the Mongols Golden Horde would rule over and collect tribute from the Russians for literally hundreds of years.
"Yes."
Hahahaha, the fucking Turks were at the gates of Vienna and Warsaw a few centuries later but they "saved Europe"? God you are a fucking retard, the Islamic advance into Europe had mostly ground to a halt by the time the crusades were launched, in fact if it wasn't for the fourth crusade it's likely the Balkans never would have fallen to the Muslims. The Saracens were busy fighting a war with the Mongols when the Crusades were launched and it was the Mongols capturing Baghdad which destroyed the Saracens, not the puny little Catholic armies.
"That doesn't change the fact that the crusades saved Europe from Saracen conquest."
Besides they didn't.
"Ousted by the Knights of Santiago: Christians Yes, the Crusaders saved Europe from Saracen conquest."
Yeah, something which could have been achieved 300 years earlier if they had sent their armies to Spain instead of "muh (((Holy Land)))" and Roman-Byzantium. You know what the worst thing about you Christcucks is? Anything, any little thing the Christcucks do good you praise and treat like some heroic deed while pretending it is "all because of Christianity" and then anything they do bad you pretend didn't happen or excuse away with the most retarded arguments imaginable. You people really are just fucking barely better than niggers.
The Saracens never conquered the Roman-Byzantine Empire, the Saracens actually had more control over Western Europe, you know, Islamic Spain, Sicily and Southern Italy than they ever did over Greece and Constantinople.
Right, because of the crusaders, who stopped their invasion of Europe.
Illyria is modern day Croatia, it had less Saracen genetic influence than Italy, France, and Spain.
I don't know about french, but yes, modern Spanish and Italians have a lot of arab mixture.
No, actually I think they turned somewhat darker when the fucking Turks conquered them,
Yes. As they conquered, they turned white lands into brown lands. They were attacking the Byzantines for a thousand years before the crusades.
my point was that they weren't significantly darker in 1200 than the fucking Italians were, who, mind you, were under, alongside the rest of Western Europe, constant raids from Muslims in North Africa and Spain,
Italians had not had nearly as much pressure from the Saracens as the Byzatines did, other than arguably Sicily.
but did the Crusaders attack the Muslims there and stop the White slave trade?
Yes.
they attacked the Graeco-Roman Orthodox Christians and the "Holy Land."
Yes, because they were genociding whites.
No, the Teutonic knights didn't stop the Mongols, the Teutonic Knights fought White Pagan Baltic tribes, not the Mongols, the Mongols Golden Horde would rule over and collect tribute from the Russians for literally hundreds of years.
Yes, the Teutonic Knights stopped them from invading Europe, for example at Leignitz in 1241.
Hahahaha, the fucking Turks were at the gates of Vienna and Warsaw a few centuries later but they "saved Europe"?
Yes, they saved Europe. That's why the Saracen invaders failed to make further headway for centuries.
God you are a fucking retard, the Islamic advance into Europe had mostly ground to a halt by the time the crusades were launched,
Yes, by the byzantines, who knew they could not continue to hold them off, which is why the sent emissaries to the Pope to request the crusades.
in fact if it wasn't for the fourth crusade it's likely the Balkans never would have fallen to the Muslims.
If it weren't for the fourth crusade, the wholesale slaughter of the white population of byzantium would have gone unpunished.
The Saracens were busy fighting a war with the Mongols when the Crusades were launched and it was the Mongols capturing Baghdad which destroyed the Saracens, not the puny little Catholic armies.
Yet, those puny catholic armies managed to conquer and hold Jerusalem, 2000 miles away from their homelands.
Besides they didn't.
Oh I didn't realize they'd conquered us. Weird how we're still white...
Yeah, something which could have been achieved 300 years earlier if they had sent their armies to Spain instead of "muh (((Holy Land)))" and Roman-Byzantium.
But then they wouldn't have saved Europe from the Saracen horde in the middle east.
You know what the worst thing about you Christcucks is?
I'm not even Christian.
Anything, any little thing the Christcucks do good you praise and treat like some heroic deed while pretending it is "all because of Christianity" and then anything they do bad you pretend didn't happen or excuse away with the most retarded arguments imaginable. You people really are just fucking barely better than niggers.
You're a nigger. No matter how much white Christian men sacrifice to save you, you're still upset about it and demand that they do more.
"Right, because of the crusaders, who stopped their invasion of Europe."
Uh, no, the Crusaders destroyed the Roman-Byzantine Empire, just because the Crusaders handed some Anatolian coast-land back the Roman-Byzantine Empire before destroying it doesn't mean they stopped the Saracen invasion of Europe, not that it was the Saracens that conquered that land from the Byzantines anyways.
"I don't know about french, but yes, modern Spanish and Italians have a lot of arab mixture."
Uh huh, so why were the Latins (Catholic Italian Merchants from Genoa and Venice) "Whiter than than the Byzantines"? And yeah, the French have trace DNA from the Saracens.
"Yes."
No, they didn't, the White slave trade continued on for a good 500+ years following the last crusade, but "cute."
"Yes, because they were genociding whites."
20+ years ago they killed Italian Merchants and their families due in no small part to Christian infighting under a different regime and you believe that means that they were justified in betraying an allied state? Oh, and nice job not addressing their attacks against Croatian (Illyrian) White cities, just ignore that right? Oh, and the Greaco-Roman Byzantines were, once again, were no or barely "darker" than the Italian Merchants they killed, are you seriously trying to claim that the Graeco-Romans were niggers? Because that is flat out false.
"Yes, the Teutonic Knights stopped them from invading Europe, for example at Leignitz in 1241."
Yeah you still didn't refute my point, the Crusaders alongside a whole bunch of Catholic states fighting to defend themselves against the Mongols isn't the same as launching a Crusade against the Mongols (which they could have done, freeing the Slavs, but instead attacked the "Holy Land" which was filled with shitskins).
"Yes, they saved Europe. That's why the Saracen invaders failed to make further headway for centuries."
No... no that's not why the Saracens failed to make advances for centuries afterwards you fucking retard, their actions literally led to the fall of the main Balkan power (Rome/Byzantium) which led to the Turks taking over the Balkans, there actions had a net-negative effect on the security of Europe from non-Whites, the Crusades in the Holy Land had basically zero effect at all on the Saracens there, who were way to busy dealing with the Mongols to try and take a few irrelevant Crusader strongholds on the Palestinian coast, oh did you forget that? Oh yeah, the Crusader states basically were wiped out after the first few years of being there.
"Yes, by the byzantines, who knew they could not continue to hold them off, which is why the sent emissaries to the Pope to request the crusades."
Yeah, that's not what happened, the Byzantines requested assistance in retaking land from the Turks not holding them off, the Byzantines had the naval dominance to defend against the Turks... and the Crusaders, once again, turned on the fucking Byzantines and destroyed them.
"If it weren't for the fourth crusade, the wholesale slaughter of the white population of byzantium would have gone unpunished."
Again, are you trying to claim that the Med Graeco-Romans were not White? Because that is just flat out false. Present literally any evidence for your claim that the Graeco-Romans at the time were not White or fuck off. Even as someone who is a "nordicist" this is fucking retarded, the Graeco-Romans were not fucking shitskins you fucking retard.
"Yet, those puny catholic armies managed to conquer and hold Jerusalem, 2000 miles away from their homelands."
Yeah, for all of a few decades before Saladin reconquered it... all while the Saracens where busy fighting the Mongols...
"Oh I didn't realize they'd conquered us. Weird how we're still white..."
Hurr durr me think Crusaders saved Europe from non-Whites hurr durr"
No retard, without the Crusaders Europe would still be White because they didn't stop some massive invasion of Europe, they could have launched actual crusades against the Mongols and Saracens in Spain but instead fought pointless wars in Jerusalem for retarded religious reasons, attacked their fellow Whites in the Baltic and Finland, attacked fellow White Christian Catholic cities in Europe and destroyed the Roman-Byzantine Empire.
"You're a nigger. No matter how much white Christian men sacrifice to save you, you're still upset about it and demand that they do more."
Hahahahahaha, if it wasn't for the fucking Christcucks we wouldn't be living in this shithole right now, we would be living in a country like Japan and all the niggers/shitskisn would be either slaves or dead, and you are a literal nigger in regards to your ability to think.
I'm done arguing with retards like you, you are blocked, I can't argue with someone as stupid as you, who refuses to admit that "his side" can do wrong and made massive fucking mistakes, and paints anyone in opposition to his side as a fucking non-White. Go eat nigger cocks.
Uh, no, the Crusaders destroyed the Roman-Byzantine Empire, just because the Crusaders handed some Anatolian coast-land back the Roman-Byzantine Empire before destroying it doesn't mean they stopped the Saracen invasion of Europe, not that it was the Saracens that conquered that land from the Byzantines anyways.
The Saracens failed to conquer Europe as they intended because of the Crusades. The Crusaders stopped the invasion of Europe.
Uh huh, so why were the Latins (Catholic Italian Merchants from Genoa and Venice) "Whiter than than the Byzantines"?
They were whiter than the Byzantines. They were attacked and conquered by the Saracens less than the Byzantines had been up to that point.
No, they didn't, the White slave trade continued on for a good 500+ years following the last crusade, but "cute."
They absolutely did. The Crusaders invaded North Africa, where the slavers were based out of.
20+ years ago they killed Italian Merchants and their families due in no small part to Christian infighting under a different regime and you believe that means that they were justified in betraying an allied state?
Yes. All enemies of whites are my enemies. What is the point of "saving" Europe if all the whites die?
Oh, and nice job not addressing their attacks against Croatian (Illyrian) White cities, just ignore that right?
The Venetians had been warring with the Croatians for centuries. Just because they continued to fight doesn't detract from saving Europe from Saracen invasion.
Oh, and the Greaco-Roman Byzantines were, once again, were no or barely "darker" than the Italian Merchants they killed, are you seriously trying to claim that the Graeco-Romans were niggers? Because that is flat out false.
The ancient Greeks were white: the Romans were actually descended from them. However, after thousands of years of Saracen conquest, rape, and miscegenation, yes, they became darker. I wouldn't call them niggers, but to claim that they were pure Aryan or something is nonsense. By the time of the fourth Crusade the Byzantine empire was completely surrounded by Saracen (arab) conquerors, substantial mixture had occurred by that time.
Yeah you still didn't refute my point, the Crusaders alongside a whole bunch of Catholic states fighting to defend themselves against the Mongols isn't the same as launching a Crusade against the Mongols (which they could have done, freeing the Slavs, but instead attacked the "Holy Land" which was filled with shitskins).
Are slavs aren't white? Is Russia in Europe? You're saying that the Crusaders repelling the Saracen invasion of Europe doesn't count because of Mongols attacking Slavs? How does this relate to the discussion?
No... no that's not why the Saracens failed to make advances for centuries afterwards you fucking retard, their actions literally led to the fall of the main Balkan power (Rome/Byzantium) which led to the Turks taking over the Balkans, there actions had a net-negative effect on the security of Europe from non-Whites, the Crusades in the Holy Land had basically zero effect at all on the Saracens there, who were way to busy dealing with the Mongols to try and take a few irrelevant Crusader strongholds on the Palestinian coast, oh did you forget that? Oh yeah, the Crusader states basically were wiped out after the first few years of being there.
Again, The byzantine empire was already ruined. They had already been losing the war with the Saracens for centuries. They were already surrounded by Saracen invaders. You can't put that on the Crusaders, who had also been fighting and killing the Saracens for centuries.
who were way to busy dealing with the Mongols to try and take a few irrelevant Crusader strongholds on the Palestinian coast, oh did you forget that? Oh yeah, the Crusader states basically were wiped out after the first few years of being there.
Saladin was famously merciful to his enemies, and he would not allow the Templar Knights to live because of how dangerous they were and how much damage they had done to his armies. To suggest that the Crusaders didn't repel the Saracen invasion of Europe because they failed to maintain the territories they captured in the middle east is ridiculous.
Yeah, that's not what happened, the Byzantines requested assistance in retaking land from the Turks not holding them off, the Byzantines had the naval dominance to defend against the Turks... and the Crusaders, once again, turned on the fucking Byzantines and destroyed them.
Entirely wrong. Traditionally christian lands in the middle east had been conquered by the Saracens, who threatened to invade the Byzantines. The emperor appealed to the pope for help, knowing that they would be easily overrun if they didn't receive any. He wrote a second letter when they attacked Constantinople.
Again, are you trying to claim that the Med Graeco-Romans were not White? Because that is just flat out false. Present literally any evidence for your claim that the Graeco-Romans at the time were not White or fuck off. Even as someone who is a "nordicist" this is fucking retarded, the Graeco-Romans were not fucking shitskins you fucking retard.
Yes, after thousands of years of Saracen conquest and arabs raping white people, they began to grow darker.
Yeah, for all of a few decades before Saladin reconquered it... all while the Saracens where busy fighting the Mongols...
Thus saving Europe from the Saracen invasion.
No retard, without the Crusaders Europe would still be White because they didn't stop some massive invasion of Europe,
Yet they did. Without the Crusades, the Saracens would have invaded Europe.
they could have launched actual crusades against the Mongols and Saracens in Spain
They did.
but instead fought pointless wars in Jerusalem for retarded religious reasons,
To repel the Saracens invading Europe.
attacked their fellow Whites in the Baltic and Finland, attacked fellow White Christian Catholic cities in Europe and destroyed the Roman-Byzantine Empire.
Wrong, the Byzantine empire collapsed ultimately because of Saracen conquest, not because of the Crusades, although the Crusades did forestall their destruction.
Hahahahahaha, if it wasn't for the fucking Christcucks we wouldn't be living in this shithole right now, we would be living in a country like Japan and all the niggers/shitskisn would be either slaves or dead, and you are a literal nigger in regards to your ability to think.
If it weren't for the Crusades, we'd be dead because the Saracens would have killed us all by now.
I'm done arguing with retards like you, you are blocked,
That's usually how idiots handle it when they find out they were wrong.
I can't argue with someone as stupid as you, who refuses to admit that "his side" can do wrong and made massive fucking mistakes, and paints anyone in opposition to his side as a fucking non-White. Go eat nigger cocks.
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123whatevs ago
Yeah, they also hate Jesus Christ and Christianity as well. To the point that their fairy tale book has a paragraph that states that Jesus is burning in hell in a pot of shit.
MIght be time to look into that as well.
Chimaira92 ago
Cuckstianity has pacified our nations, they hate Hitler and the NSDAP more than they hate Yeshua.
Maybe time to look into that.
noob_tube ago
The crusades, organized by the catholic church, are why the saracens didn't conquer Europe. Traditional christianity is based.
NorthSeaPagan ago
Uh, no, the Crusades are actually what let the Turks conquer all of the Balkans and didn't really stop the Saracen advance into Europe at all, it was the Mongols that did that. The only lasting effect of the Crusades was the fall of the Byzantine Empire which allowed the Ottomans to size all of Greece and Anatolia.
noob_tube ago
Wrong. Byzantium didn't fall because of the crusades, they fell because of Saracen onslaught. The crusades united Europe to fight the invaders.
NorthSeaPagan ago
Wrong. The Fourth Crusade destroyed the Byzantine Empire you fucking retard.
noob_tube ago
Lol yeah? Byzantium fell because of Europe uniting to fight the Saracen horde, not because of the Saracen horde?
NorthSeaPagan ago
You are a fucking retard.
noob_tube ago
NorthSeaPagan ago
Uh, yeah, the Crusaders that attacked Byzantium destroyed the Byzantine Empire, you are the one who denied that, not me, interesting you mention the Latin Massacre because that's just more proof that Christianity is a garbage religion.
noob_tube ago
No, the Byzantines, who slaughtered their white population, destroyed the byzantine empire. Saying that Byzantium is standing because the walls are standing is nonsense: its the people of Byzantium that made it what it was.
NorthSeaPagan ago
Hahahaha, their White population? You mean the Latin merchants that lived in Constantinople? You do realize that the Latin population of Constantinople weren't natives right? God you are a fucking moron.
noob_tube ago
Yes they were. What we call the "byzantine empire" was known in its time as the (Eastern) Roman empire, i.e. Latin.
NorthSeaPagan ago
You are a fucking idiot, they always called themselves the Roman Empire, the "Byzantine Empire" is a modern creation and the "Latin" population in Constantinople was more recent from Italian city states. Go be a 90 IQ boomoid somewhere else.
noob_tube ago
Right. It was built by Rome, i.e. Latins, i.e. white people. When they killed the white people, Byzantium fell.
NorthSeaPagan ago
No, you are a fucking retard dude, sorry, Latins at the time refereed to Italian merchants not fucking White Romans, who, yes, built the city of Constantinople and were Orthodox Christians, mixing with the local Greeks and Anatolians. The Latins didn't do fuck all besides trade with the Byzantines. Fuck, please, just stop commenting on history, you historically illiterate morons make us look stupid
noob_tube ago
There's a city in Italy named Rome. That is where Romans came from. The Romans built Byzantium. People from modern Italy were in fact the very people who build Byzantium. After the fall of Rome and a thousand years of Saracen conquest, the natives became darker, less white. The "foreigners" were the builders of the city, and the byzantine slaughter of them was like BLM rioting and claiming they wuz kangs. Crusaders putting a stop to white genocide != the fall of Byzantium.
NorthSeaPagan ago
Okay let's go over this supper slowly for you since you are a retard.
"There's a city in Italy named Rome."
Yes, that is true
"That is where Romans came from."
Also true
"The Romans built Byzantium."
False, Byzantium was an ancient Greek city that existed for thousands of years, Constantinople was founded by Constantine the great as "Nova Roma" in Byzantium to serve as the Eastern Roman Empire's capital though.
"People from modern Italy were in fact the very people who build Byzantium."
Partially false, the people from modern Italy includes later Gothic and Lombard genes that were not present in the original Romans.
"After the fall of Rome and a thousand years of Saracen conquest, the natives became darker, less white."
Somewhat true, but not the amount of mongrelization from the time of the Caesars to the time of Emperors was insignificant.
"The "foreigners" were the builders of the city, and the byzantine slaughter of them was like BLM rioting and claiming they wuz kangs."
No, no they weren't you complete and utter fucking retard, the "Byzantines" (who literally called themselves Romans) were genetically pretty much the same as the ancient Greeks and Romans, but keep on imagining that they must have been dark skinned because... what? It fits your retarded anti-White, pro-Catholic narrative? What about all the Catholic cities along the Illyrian coast the Crusaders sacked? Were they all non-Whites too? You know how hard it is for smart people to deal with retards like you? It's like dealing with fucking shitlibs, you don't really know anything about anything so you just make shit up as you go along to fit your retarded fuckwit narrative.
"Crusaders putting a stop to white genocide != the fall of Byzantium."
Oh yeah, the Crusaders stopped White genocide by destroying the Roman Empire, the thing stopping the Saracen and Turkic hordes from pouring into Europe, never mind the fact that the Mongol horde was in Eastern Europe or the Saracens were in Spain, attacking the Roman Empire and the "Holy Land" was really what saved Europe everyone!!! Never mind the fact that the Turks were in Vienna a few centuries later, never mind the fact the Turks forced the Polish-Lithuanian commonwealth into submission, never mind the fact that Spain was under Saracen rule for another 300 years, who cares right?
Fucking die, you pathetic noob.
noob_tube ago
I meant Modern Italy as in Italy didn't exist at the time.
They were darker than western Europeans. That's what a thousand years of Saracen conquest does to a people. They're very dark now, it didn't happen over night, it happened over years, and it had already started happening by the time of the first Crusade.
Yes, at least partially. That's what a thousand years of Saracen conquest does.
I get it entirely. Some people like to pretend that the byzantines just turned dark one day, without any understanding of how a people change over time.
They were already in ruin. That's why they themselvs had sent diplomats to Rome to request the first crusade.
Stopped by the Teutonic knights: Christians.
Ousted by the Knights of Santiago: Christians
Yes.
That doesn't change the fact that the crusades saved Europe from Saracen conquest.
That doesn't change the fact that the crusades saved Europe from Saracen conquest.
Ousted by the Knights of Santiago: Christians
Yes, the Crusaders saved Europe from Saracen conquest.
NorthSeaPagan ago
"They were darker than western Europeans. That's what a thousand years of Saracen conquest does to a people. They're very dark now, it didn't happen over night, it happened over years, and it had already started happening by the time of the first Crusade."
The Saracens never conquered the Roman-Byzantine Empire, the Saracens actually had more control over Western Europe, you know, Islamic Spain, Sicily and Southern Italy than they ever did over Greece and Constantinople.
"Yes, at least partially. That's what a thousand years of Saracen conquest does."
Illyria is modern day Croatia, it had less Saracen genetic influence than Italy, France, and Spain.
"I get it entirely. Some people like to pretend that the byzantines just turned dark one day, without any understanding of how a people change over time."
No, actually I think they turned somewhat darker when the fucking Turks conquered them, you fucking retard, my point was that they weren't significantly darker in 1200 than the fucking Italians were, who, mind you, were under, alongside the rest of Western Europe, constant raids from Muslims in North Africa and Spain, but did the Crusaders attack the Muslims there and stop the White slave trade? No, they attacked the Graeco-Roman Orthodox Christians and the "Holy Land."
"Stopped by the Teutonic knights: Christians."
No, the Teutonic knights didn't stop the Mongols, the Teutonic Knights fought White Pagan Baltic tribes, not the Mongols, the Mongols Golden Horde would rule over and collect tribute from the Russians for literally hundreds of years.
"Yes."
Hahahaha, the fucking Turks were at the gates of Vienna and Warsaw a few centuries later but they "saved Europe"? God you are a fucking retard, the Islamic advance into Europe had mostly ground to a halt by the time the crusades were launched, in fact if it wasn't for the fourth crusade it's likely the Balkans never would have fallen to the Muslims. The Saracens were busy fighting a war with the Mongols when the Crusades were launched and it was the Mongols capturing Baghdad which destroyed the Saracens, not the puny little Catholic armies.
"That doesn't change the fact that the crusades saved Europe from Saracen conquest."
Besides they didn't.
"Ousted by the Knights of Santiago: Christians Yes, the Crusaders saved Europe from Saracen conquest."
Yeah, something which could have been achieved 300 years earlier if they had sent their armies to Spain instead of "muh (((Holy Land)))" and Roman-Byzantium. You know what the worst thing about you Christcucks is? Anything, any little thing the Christcucks do good you praise and treat like some heroic deed while pretending it is "all because of Christianity" and then anything they do bad you pretend didn't happen or excuse away with the most retarded arguments imaginable. You people really are just fucking barely better than niggers.
noob_tube ago
Right, because of the crusaders, who stopped their invasion of Europe.
I don't know about french, but yes, modern Spanish and Italians have a lot of arab mixture.
Yes. As they conquered, they turned white lands into brown lands. They were attacking the Byzantines for a thousand years before the crusades.
Italians had not had nearly as much pressure from the Saracens as the Byzatines did, other than arguably Sicily.
Yes.
Yes, because they were genociding whites.
Yes, the Teutonic Knights stopped them from invading Europe, for example at Leignitz in 1241.
Yes, they saved Europe. That's why the Saracen invaders failed to make further headway for centuries.
Yes, by the byzantines, who knew they could not continue to hold them off, which is why the sent emissaries to the Pope to request the crusades.
If it weren't for the fourth crusade, the wholesale slaughter of the white population of byzantium would have gone unpunished.
Yet, those puny catholic armies managed to conquer and hold Jerusalem, 2000 miles away from their homelands.
Oh I didn't realize they'd conquered us. Weird how we're still white...
But then they wouldn't have saved Europe from the Saracen horde in the middle east.
I'm not even Christian.
You're a nigger. No matter how much white Christian men sacrifice to save you, you're still upset about it and demand that they do more.
NorthSeaPagan ago
"Right, because of the crusaders, who stopped their invasion of Europe."
Uh, no, the Crusaders destroyed the Roman-Byzantine Empire, just because the Crusaders handed some Anatolian coast-land back the Roman-Byzantine Empire before destroying it doesn't mean they stopped the Saracen invasion of Europe, not that it was the Saracens that conquered that land from the Byzantines anyways.
"I don't know about french, but yes, modern Spanish and Italians have a lot of arab mixture."
Uh huh, so why were the Latins (Catholic Italian Merchants from Genoa and Venice) "Whiter than than the Byzantines"? And yeah, the French have trace DNA from the Saracens.
"Yes."
No, they didn't, the White slave trade continued on for a good 500+ years following the last crusade, but "cute."
"Yes, because they were genociding whites."
20+ years ago they killed Italian Merchants and their families due in no small part to Christian infighting under a different regime and you believe that means that they were justified in betraying an allied state? Oh, and nice job not addressing their attacks against Croatian (Illyrian) White cities, just ignore that right? Oh, and the Greaco-Roman Byzantines were, once again, were no or barely "darker" than the Italian Merchants they killed, are you seriously trying to claim that the Graeco-Romans were niggers? Because that is flat out false.
"Yes, the Teutonic Knights stopped them from invading Europe, for example at Leignitz in 1241."
Yeah you still didn't refute my point, the Crusaders alongside a whole bunch of Catholic states fighting to defend themselves against the Mongols isn't the same as launching a Crusade against the Mongols (which they could have done, freeing the Slavs, but instead attacked the "Holy Land" which was filled with shitskins).
"Yes, they saved Europe. That's why the Saracen invaders failed to make further headway for centuries."
No... no that's not why the Saracens failed to make advances for centuries afterwards you fucking retard, their actions literally led to the fall of the main Balkan power (Rome/Byzantium) which led to the Turks taking over the Balkans, there actions had a net-negative effect on the security of Europe from non-Whites, the Crusades in the Holy Land had basically zero effect at all on the Saracens there, who were way to busy dealing with the Mongols to try and take a few irrelevant Crusader strongholds on the Palestinian coast, oh did you forget that? Oh yeah, the Crusader states basically were wiped out after the first few years of being there.
"Yes, by the byzantines, who knew they could not continue to hold them off, which is why the sent emissaries to the Pope to request the crusades."
Yeah, that's not what happened, the Byzantines requested assistance in retaking land from the Turks not holding them off, the Byzantines had the naval dominance to defend against the Turks... and the Crusaders, once again, turned on the fucking Byzantines and destroyed them.
"If it weren't for the fourth crusade, the wholesale slaughter of the white population of byzantium would have gone unpunished."
Again, are you trying to claim that the Med Graeco-Romans were not White? Because that is just flat out false. Present literally any evidence for your claim that the Graeco-Romans at the time were not White or fuck off. Even as someone who is a "nordicist" this is fucking retarded, the Graeco-Romans were not fucking shitskins you fucking retard.
"Yet, those puny catholic armies managed to conquer and hold Jerusalem, 2000 miles away from their homelands."
Yeah, for all of a few decades before Saladin reconquered it... all while the Saracens where busy fighting the Mongols...
"Oh I didn't realize they'd conquered us. Weird how we're still white..."
Hurr durr me think Crusaders saved Europe from non-Whites hurr durr"
No retard, without the Crusaders Europe would still be White because they didn't stop some massive invasion of Europe, they could have launched actual crusades against the Mongols and Saracens in Spain but instead fought pointless wars in Jerusalem for retarded religious reasons, attacked their fellow Whites in the Baltic and Finland, attacked fellow White Christian Catholic cities in Europe and destroyed the Roman-Byzantine Empire.
"You're a nigger. No matter how much white Christian men sacrifice to save you, you're still upset about it and demand that they do more."
Hahahahahaha, if it wasn't for the fucking Christcucks we wouldn't be living in this shithole right now, we would be living in a country like Japan and all the niggers/shitskisn would be either slaves or dead, and you are a literal nigger in regards to your ability to think.
I'm done arguing with retards like you, you are blocked, I can't argue with someone as stupid as you, who refuses to admit that "his side" can do wrong and made massive fucking mistakes, and paints anyone in opposition to his side as a fucking non-White. Go eat nigger cocks.
noob_tube ago
The Saracens failed to conquer Europe as they intended because of the Crusades. The Crusaders stopped the invasion of Europe.
They were whiter than the Byzantines. They were attacked and conquered by the Saracens less than the Byzantines had been up to that point.
They absolutely did. The Crusaders invaded North Africa, where the slavers were based out of.
Yes. All enemies of whites are my enemies. What is the point of "saving" Europe if all the whites die?
The Venetians had been warring with the Croatians for centuries. Just because they continued to fight doesn't detract from saving Europe from Saracen invasion.
The ancient Greeks were white: the Romans were actually descended from them. However, after thousands of years of Saracen conquest, rape, and miscegenation, yes, they became darker. I wouldn't call them niggers, but to claim that they were pure Aryan or something is nonsense. By the time of the fourth Crusade the Byzantine empire was completely surrounded by Saracen (arab) conquerors, substantial mixture had occurred by that time.
Are slavs aren't white? Is Russia in Europe? You're saying that the Crusaders repelling the Saracen invasion of Europe doesn't count because of Mongols attacking Slavs? How does this relate to the discussion?
Again, The byzantine empire was already ruined. They had already been losing the war with the Saracens for centuries. They were already surrounded by Saracen invaders. You can't put that on the Crusaders, who had also been fighting and killing the Saracens for centuries.
Saladin was famously merciful to his enemies, and he would not allow the Templar Knights to live because of how dangerous they were and how much damage they had done to his armies. To suggest that the Crusaders didn't repel the Saracen invasion of Europe because they failed to maintain the territories they captured in the middle east is ridiculous.
Entirely wrong. Traditionally christian lands in the middle east had been conquered by the Saracens, who threatened to invade the Byzantines. The emperor appealed to the pope for help, knowing that they would be easily overrun if they didn't receive any. He wrote a second letter when they attacked Constantinople.
Yes, after thousands of years of Saracen conquest and arabs raping white people, they began to grow darker.
https://neoskosmos.com/en/38926/when-did-greeks-become-white/
Thus saving Europe from the Saracen invasion.
Yet they did. Without the Crusades, the Saracens would have invaded Europe.
They did.
To repel the Saracens invading Europe.
Wrong, the Byzantine empire collapsed ultimately because of Saracen conquest, not because of the Crusades, although the Crusades did forestall their destruction.
If it weren't for the Crusades, we'd be dead because the Saracens would have killed us all by now.
That's usually how idiots handle it when they find out they were wrong.
The Crusades saved Europe from Saracen conquest.
Nukeisrael ago
This dude just keeps embarrassing himself. It’s fucking sad.