huh? musk said he was just a socialist not a national socialist i think the OP is projecting a bit.this is good to know, i have suspected for a long time that our billionaires and entrepreneurs hates the same system that made them rich,this is just confirmation of what i have known for quite sometime .go figure!
Don't socialists share the ownership of the means of production? I dont think musks plants are even Union let alone profit-sharing.
communists at the top get to enjoy perks that the citizenry arent allow to. this is what musk really meant by it.also futurists like him envision a type dystopian age which they call the singularity which in essense is very marxist were everyone will be plugged in to some sort of advanced AI brain and become equal and immortal but i suspect that only themselves and the rest of the elites are going to enjoy of such perks .everybody else will be treated some kind of slave or pawn that will look upon them as gods or some shit
Well my point was that if he was a socialist then he couldn't own businesses. Best scenario for him the co-ops that share the work and therefore profit elect him as their chairman
Well my point was that if he was a socialist then he couldn't own businesses.
the thing is that the state allows him to own a business so he does but also there many top communist party card members that own businesses in china and they still consider themselves communist.so point doesnt apply here
Yeah and there are men w intact balls walking around considering themselves women; they are just incorrect. The presence of wrong people does not alter somethings definition
Look man. I have tried to get antiliberalsociety to debate me many times. You seem to have bought into his lies about me a 100%. How about you debate me instead? You can state your accusations on a discord voice chat or skype or zoom. Any platform you want. You will either see that he has been lying about me on 99% of everything he has said or you will be so invested in your unfounded hatred of me that you will ignore the evidence. Either way it is time that we put this shit to rest.
Gah, been too busy to check in like I used to. Thanks for the ping. I kek'd at this old fucker's desperation for attention reaching such a high he actually linked to v/GoFraudMe.
They're actually not intelligent. They just hate niggers, Jews, and are easily swayed by the imagery and pomp of national socialism due to their genetic predisposition. They're also woefully ignorant to the underlying nuances of history and the underlying influences on the ideology.
First of all, German National Socialism or anything like it will NEVER take hold in the USA because German National Socialism is the direct result of a very specific historical cultural heritage unique to Germany, namely Prussian militarism. The cultures of the USA and England did not descend from Prussian militarism. So for the vast majority of the population, Naziism looks cringey, tacky, and idiotic. The idea of subjugating the whole of society, whether it is homogeneous or not, to an authoritarian dictatorship is laughable.
Secondly, fascism,too, is a cultural phenomenon unique to Europe in that it arose out of very specific and unique circumstances in the history of that region. Communism and fascism are both products of the Hegelian dialectic. The operating system of both communism and fascism IS socialism. They are both central planning.
Another issue is historical ignorance. These people watched a 4 hour movie called The Greatest Story Never Told which is a laughably historically inaccurate Nazi propaganda piece. If you have an IQ over 90, it's obvious how disingenuous the movie is. And that is their ONLY source of alternative info. I understand history is written by the victors and we have to be careful and fact check things, but just because one particular narrative is the antithesis of the official narrative doesn't automatically make it true. And just because some book or bit of research was published by a Jew doesn't automatically invalidate it. We have a better chance at finding the truth through empiricism than through idealism. Empiricism has a better track record. Advancements in science, technology, medicine, and even philosophy, and the raising of the standard of living overall--they came about through empiricist ideals rather than through idealism. It was the Jew Ludwig von Mises who empirically proved socialism and communism can never work no matter what. This is settled science.
And there lies the tragedy of it all, and one of the major reasons The Third Reich failed: the Truth just isn't as important in idealism. It doesn't matter that much. What matters is doing what it takes to serve the state or the collective, or enrich the elite at the expense of everyone else. Naziism is idealism. It resides in the Hegelian family along with Marxism, subjectivism, moral relativism, and post-modernism.
And lastly, it's economic ignorance. These people straight up do not understand economics. They don't understand economics. There's nothing that can be done, as far as anyone alive today knows, that can override the laws of economics. All socialists will inevitably fail. It may take 1 year, 4 years, 20 years, but they all fail. On average, you can get about 4-10 years out of a socialist system before it devolves into chaos and destruction. Even if there was no War, the Third Reich would have devolved into a shithole with a decade with the massive about of central planning it had. National-, international-, democratic-socialism, communism, fascism, and even democracy--it doesn't matter what you call it, it's all central planning. Centrally planned economies simply do not thrive over the long run and that is an empirically proven fact of history.
I'll admit, I've actually been red-pilled on some things here on Voat about Hitler, about the Nazis, WWII, and the Holocaust. However, that still doesn't change the cold hard FACT: Socialism fails every single time it is tried.
IF a successful, prosperous, all-white ethnostate ever came into existence, I guarantee it would not be a socialist state.
upvoated because what you say its coherent and true.personally, the constitution and the bill of rights along with separation of powers within the government along with the citizenry being vigilant of those who govern are enough for me.when i was younger i too believed in utopias until i realized that it cant never be achieved as long as humans walks this earth because we are just evil and prone to be selfish creatures.otherwise,utopias would have been happened since,hell,plato's republic
national socialism treats fellow countrymen like family.
where the fuck do you get that from? in national socialism if you dont kiss the party line you will go to jail or go a reeducation camp just their communist cousins did.did you think that there werent any germans that opposed hitter,if you believe this then you are in la la land.
it's a bit like an uncucked father telling his daughter if she wants to fuck niggers she'll be disowned or better yet, killed.
you dont know what you are talking about.you have never been under a socialist system. news for you. i was born in one and it suck balls,one thing is the propaganda and another thing is being a slave of the state without any way to get free from it. you people are living a fantasy,all types of socialism will lead you to one road and end which is totalitarianism and barbarism.
you have a beautiful constitution and bill of rights and you want to change it for what? a dictator? a political system that will manage you from crade to the tomb and tell you what to think and how to think? is that really what YOU want? if so,you can always move to china.there they have something very similar to what you are looking for.
you can knock yourself out.personally i dont want any american to suffer under a dictatorship no matter his skin color and creed or lack thereof
because there has been no socialist system since WW2, they're communists.
oh the naivete displayed here.its your choice if you believe what you believe keep dreaming about that fascist paradise that never existed and will never exist. all these utopias are bathed in the blood and tears of the innocents
Bobby Fischer was a jew, but that kike gets a pass in my book. It's not one in a million, or ten million, or six gorillion, but every once in a while one comes along that is disgusted by their race. I'm not going looking for them, but if they prove themselves worthy with a lifetime of work I'll give them a pass.
A couple thousand years ago kikes would've been considered Aryan. I'll make a long story short here, one of the lost tribes of Israel was the tribe of Dan and they were blond haired. That's where Denmark and the river Danube got their names. It's only a handful of those tribes that decided that intermarriage within their own in group was a great idea. We simplify it here, but the anthropology of it is very complicated. I wouldn't fuck an Ashkenazi or a Sephardic jew to save my species, that I agree with you. They've breed themselves into a completely different race. The ones that went north, however, you'd fawn over and would never know the difference.
To my understanding all his businesses are on government money no? That's what Harvard teaches you to do, to utilize the "second" economy nobody else knows about, the socialist one that all the mega corps tie into. The "capitalist" economy is for the "suckers" who think it's hard work, ingenuity, and the intended american design etc that get you to the top.
You could make the argument that his businesses serve the broader public interest, though, and therefor deserve public subsidies. Regardless of what you think about the climate change hoax, reducing our dependence on fossil fuels and foreign oil serves the public interest, and SpaceX is certainly more worthy of our tax money than the niggerfied and cucked NASA.
What I've learned is that if you study industries closely, they are dominated by players who work hand in hand with both government and organized crime.
Very very few people become billionaires honestly. It's much easier to engage in crime.
I would rather government money go to companies like Tesla and SpaceX than Walmart, Amazon, Google, etc. Musk has done a lot of good recently, especially with SpaceX. We probably would not be able to send people back into space with how diverse and feminist NASA has become now. Obama screwed over our space program and we are already seeing Trump and Musk begin to salvage that. We know that when government agencies spend money, they waste a lot of it on lavish excesses, as is evident from those budget reviews on CSPAN. More of these people need to be held accountable and be sent to jail. Wasteful spending on non-essentials using government funds is no different from embezzlement. It's time to close that loophole.
spaceX takes government contracts, that's taxpayer money, sure i guess, but it's just another business contract to send shit to space.
research and development subsidised by government money, developing new technologies, that become part of a nations strategic resources, being able to make the single best batteries or rocket engines, that can then be patented and licenced out brings in VASTLY more money in the long run, than they took in subsidies in the first place.
a lot of inventions and research is worth a lot of money, and the payoff can be of strategic important to a country like the US.
raging that 'oh but they take muh gubmit shekkels' is shortsighted idiot-speak.
I suspect I agree with what you said, but notice that you had to use a lot of quotes to say it. Capitalism made America and Europe awesome at one point. Then the governments got too bloated on taxation. America is not even remotely capitalist now. It is more along the lines of crony capitalism.
yeah its a mixture of soft fascism and mercantilism. in current times there's no such thing as free markets.dudes that smoke big cigars behind closed doors makes all the decisions on the economy now.btw,this is what you national socialists want right? the state and business fornicating on a bed together.50 -70 years ago people would puke at the notion
going back to our roots a constitutional republic with term limits for congress and senate plus making illegal campaign contributions from big corporations and foreign actors.repeal asset forfeiture and political gerrymandering.make illegal that people that worked in the private sector can run for any type of office since it breeds corruption and conflict of interest.
create a watchdog office by the people with arresting powers in order to fight corruption. set a system of judges that are elected by the people not appointed by president.also make said judges to be neutral when it comes to political affiliation.encourage participation of all political parties in the debates for president of the nation.make illegal to the news organizations to have a favorite under threat of revocation of license and jailtime
no entangled alliances with anyone! bar supranational organizations from american soil.set a quota for european migrants only,otherwise regulate immigration that comes from africa,asia and latin america.
make illegal for universities and colleges to teach any form of marxism. exile any person that is a member of the socialist international and communist party USA.send them to north korea in order for them to get the wambach treatment
make insider trading by congress and other people in govt ILLEGAL so penalty with jail time and hefty fines!
and more ....our system of govt got degraded because people werent vigilant enough. make it as obligatory the teaching of CIVICS from 8th grade onwards....and more
i've noticed most Americans have been brainwashed into thinking that socialism basically means communism and capitalism only rewards honest hard work. The thing is: socialism is impossible with diversity... subhumans never contribute or pull their own weight.
socialism requires an ethnostate... look at Germany and Sweden, 2 of the Whitest most productive most inventive countries that had successful socialism... and it wasn't socialism that destroyed them, it was jewish wars and jewish led diversity.
not to mention that "true socialism" practiced by an ethnostate is only necessary as a competitive measure or as a defensive measure to recoup economic losses. whites practice socialization naturally. we want to know who are neighbors are. we wants good neighbors. and we like to help those in our community. we dont need communism we need community. communism is the mcdonalds version of a burger with imported beef
The misconception that communism is a reliable safety net is a joke too. China doesn't do food stamps or housing subsidies. Every decent patch of dirt in the rural areas is farmed by locals with other jobs. You dont need communism for that kind of food security.
brainwashed into thinking that socialism basically means communism and capitalism only rewards honest hard work.
That is the great lie which keeps the system running. Fool everyone into thinking two sides of the same coin are actually opposites and the only two options. I see it working everywhere; "antifa are the real fascists", "communism and fascism are the same, totalitarian, socialist and lack of freedom of speech, bla bla"
Superficially they have similarities and that's how people are fooled - they are only presented with the tip of the iceberg.
The fact that communism and capitalism are both materialist, globalist, values gold over blood, seeks to eradicate history and culture for the sake of profit and promotes egalitarianism and class struggle(divide and conquer)goes way over the plebs head. So does the notion that fascism is the antithesis to all of this.
No. Hitler led Germany to destruction. Hitler destroyed Germany because he got himself into a war he had no chance of winning.
Central planning always results in disaster. There are zero successful socialist states. They all fail. The Third Reich isn't even around anymore. That's technically the definition of failure.
Well in Hitlers defense, there was no one coming to help from anywhere. War was inevitable with the bolsheviks in Russia and the jew slaves of western Europe/America.
Hitlers only "crime" was deciding that Germany should be free to print it's own currency and decide for itself how it should be spent.
Hitler didn't let Germany decide that. He took over the country as dictator and forced Germany to do what he wanted, what he thought was right. It turns out he was wrong because now Germany is an emasculated globohomo faggot state run by commies and overrun by muslims.
He was wrong about economics. He was wrong about government policy. And he was wrong about military strategy. He was a deranged megalomaniac who wouldn't listen to his expert generals on strategy and lost the war as a result, thus fucking over Germany forever.
As if he could get away with outright saying he is NatSoc, come on.
so do you think he meant that he was a national socialist because he's musk? personally i know that most of our think tanks,foundations,civic movements,universities are socialists....my eyes got opened when i heard and read how the founded socialist and envirowhacko causes. i was speechless when i founded out about this then again we all have seen the subversion of society by the likes of betty friedan and others
No, it's just that the argument "he didn't say he was a NatSoc, therefore he isn't NatSoc" is flawed since no public person would ever come out of the NatSoc-closet at current times.
What Musk said was very interesting, the socialism he describes himself as not being part of is the egalitarian one(leftist), the only socialism not seeking to redistribute wealth is right wing socialsm(NatSoc and Fascism, even though Mussolini claimed Fascism is absolutely not socialist becuse he saw socialism as class struggle)
Then he finishes of by saying "true socialism seeks the greatest good for all". If for all refers to humanity(globalist) then he is probably a left socialist since "humanity" is a left wing idea. If he meant for his people/in-group/race(nationalist) he is right wing socialist.
I don't believe anything that comes from the left, or modern right for that matter, to be true. It is all subverted lies and bullshit to convince white men to give away their lands & resources and accept their own replacement. If a "patriotic" think tank should criticize current affairs they never mention the Jew either.
When you mentioned envirowhacko I came to think of this article I read last week, it's a nice dive into the difference between left and right environmentalism, perhaps you'd also enjoy it.
They manufactured TWO WARS to hammer that idea home. That socialism=communism and the red scare. Korea and Viet Nam. How many White men had to die for those 2 propaganda operations?
Don’t forget Japan. It is not quite as socialist as it was now that their factories also have to compete with Chinese slave labor.
But it is probably the only socialist nation on earth that is not teetering on the brink of hyperinflation and total infrastructure collapse.
Of course even they have a national debt that is ultimately unmanageable.
The inescapably fatal flaw in socialism is that the universe in which we live has finite resources and humans have unlimited desires.
Written in better prose and always worth remembering how we got here and why it cannot be fixed ——-
‘Bread and Circuses’ is the cancer of democracy, the fatal disease for which there is no cure. Democracy often works beautifully at first. But once a state extends the franchise to every warm body, be he producer or parasite, that day marks the beginning of the end of the state. For when the plebs discover that they can vote themselves bread and circuses without limit and that the productive members of the body politic cannot stop them, they will do so, until the state bleeds to death, or in its weakened condition the state succumbs to an invader—the barbarians enter Rome.”
"the inescapably fatal flaw" in socialism you say is actually more relevant to the outcome of capitalism which rapes the earth to no-end producing useless shit in order to make profit in order to buy more useless shit. I'd rather put the environment and people first, and no, i don't believe anthropogenic global warming is an issue... but deforestation and air/water/soil pollution are very real. The planet has too many shitskins.
I think you have to look at the scale of the resource... So I just walked around my garden and dumped gas down a few gopher holes. Now you could argue that I destroyed the environment. Well... Maybe. But not really. I sit on a large piece of land that is well managed field/forest. The gassing (kek) of a few underground jews is the difference between feeding my family and not. Is there a better way? Not that I have found and I have been at this 20 years.
My point is Russia is HUGE. Their conditions are TERRIBLE. Look into the second and third order forces driving them to be destructive... (((economic and central bank derived poverty/communism))) comes to mind. Ever look at the German coal mines today? By the way, I'm german/Irish.
I can't remember the name but someone posted a meme of his people mostly White. He said something along the lines of people working together to accomplish their goal and his team was majority White. Can't remember the word he said sorry
ToxicWhiteMale ago
I doubt that; he wants to put as much money in his pocket as possible
FoundingUncle ago
Don't mess with someone who is helping us. Support the good guys. Leave Mr. Musk to his supercar building and space colonizing.
NakeFews ago
Just not the kind that shares my billions..
pushthis ago
nat soc just means the welfare favors merit and country. And by country i mean 'the people'.
its the intermediate between unbridaled capitalism and comunism
AmericanBannedStand ago
So the same kind of socialist that helped us build rockets last time too?
jthun2 ago
That's weak. My kid turns out to have a Hebrew first name, but he's 100% non-Jew. His mother just liked the name.
Remember half the Christian world is named Jonathan (yonatan), Paul (Saul) or David.
jthun2 ago
Well that's a fucking disappointment. He's been on a tear lately, pissing people off on twitter.
But maybe he thinks that a pre-third-world scandinavian type model is the way to go. It will be interesting to see this develop.
iyskreem ago
It wasn't real socialism
Fuckle_Chucks ago
"My authoritarian, jewish-controlled government model is better than your authoritarian, jewish-controlled government model."
Fucking cucks. Good thing The Cleansing is right around the corner.
AntiMason ago
Hope so
knightwarrior41 ago
huh? musk said he was just a socialist not a national socialist i think the OP is projecting a bit.this is good to know, i have suspected for a long time that our billionaires and entrepreneurs hates the same system that made them rich,this is just confirmation of what i have known for quite sometime .go figure!
thatguyiam ago
Elon the NatSoc Hero
roman_socialism ago
Don't socialists share the ownership of the means of production? I dont think musks plants are even Union let alone profit-sharing.
knightwarrior41 ago
communists at the top get to enjoy perks that the citizenry arent allow to. this is what musk really meant by it.also futurists like him envision a type dystopian age which they call the singularity which in essense is very marxist were everyone will be plugged in to some sort of advanced AI brain and become equal and immortal but i suspect that only themselves and the rest of the elites are going to enjoy of such perks .everybody else will be treated some kind of slave or pawn that will look upon them as gods or some shit
roman_socialism ago
Well my point was that if he was a socialist then he couldn't own businesses. Best scenario for him the co-ops that share the work and therefore profit elect him as their chairman
knightwarrior41 ago
the thing is that the state allows him to own a business so he does but also there many top communist party card members that own businesses in china and they still consider themselves communist.so point doesnt apply here
roman_socialism ago
Yeah and there are men w intact balls walking around considering themselves women; they are just incorrect. The presence of wrong people does not alter somethings definition
knightwarrior41 ago
LOL
TexasVet ago
By George that man is a Nazi. I wonder if we can get him elected somehow/
Nosferatjew ago
Hi fraudfag.
TexasVet ago
Look man. I have tried to get antiliberalsociety to debate me many times. You seem to have bought into his lies about me a 100%. How about you debate me instead? You can state your accusations on a discord voice chat or skype or zoom. Any platform you want. You will either see that he has been lying about me on 99% of everything he has said or you will be so invested in your unfounded hatred of me that you will ignore the evidence. Either way it is time that we put this shit to rest.
Will you do it?
Nosferatjew ago
You just can't stop lying, can you?
@antiliberalsociety
antiliberalsociety ago
Gah, been too busy to check in like I used to. Thanks for the ping. I kek'd at this old fucker's desperation for attention reaching such a high he actually linked to v/GoFraudMe.
TexasVet ago
Then prove it. Debate me. His entire smear campaign against me falls apart under even a little scrutiny.
Debate me. Skype Zoom Discord. Anywhere anytime.
antiliberalsociety ago
You refuse to debate me because GoFundMe lists your actions as fraud
Granite_Pill ago
Socialism fails every single time it is tried. No matter what. No matter which adjective you stick in front of it.
knightwarrior41 ago
its amazing that such intelligent people would fall for this failed political system and philosophy
Granite_Pill ago
They're actually not intelligent. They just hate niggers, Jews, and are easily swayed by the imagery and pomp of national socialism due to their genetic predisposition. They're also woefully ignorant to the underlying nuances of history and the underlying influences on the ideology.
First of all, German National Socialism or anything like it will NEVER take hold in the USA because German National Socialism is the direct result of a very specific historical cultural heritage unique to Germany, namely Prussian militarism. The cultures of the USA and England did not descend from Prussian militarism. So for the vast majority of the population, Naziism looks cringey, tacky, and idiotic. The idea of subjugating the whole of society, whether it is homogeneous or not, to an authoritarian dictatorship is laughable.
Secondly, fascism,too, is a cultural phenomenon unique to Europe in that it arose out of very specific and unique circumstances in the history of that region. Communism and fascism are both products of the Hegelian dialectic. The operating system of both communism and fascism IS socialism. They are both central planning.
Another issue is historical ignorance. These people watched a 4 hour movie called The Greatest Story Never Told which is a laughably historically inaccurate Nazi propaganda piece. If you have an IQ over 90, it's obvious how disingenuous the movie is. And that is their ONLY source of alternative info. I understand history is written by the victors and we have to be careful and fact check things, but just because one particular narrative is the antithesis of the official narrative doesn't automatically make it true. And just because some book or bit of research was published by a Jew doesn't automatically invalidate it. We have a better chance at finding the truth through empiricism than through idealism. Empiricism has a better track record. Advancements in science, technology, medicine, and even philosophy, and the raising of the standard of living overall--they came about through empiricist ideals rather than through idealism. It was the Jew Ludwig von Mises who empirically proved socialism and communism can never work no matter what. This is settled science.
And there lies the tragedy of it all, and one of the major reasons The Third Reich failed: the Truth just isn't as important in idealism. It doesn't matter that much. What matters is doing what it takes to serve the state or the collective, or enrich the elite at the expense of everyone else. Naziism is idealism. It resides in the Hegelian family along with Marxism, subjectivism, moral relativism, and post-modernism.
And lastly, it's economic ignorance. These people straight up do not understand economics. They don't understand economics. There's nothing that can be done, as far as anyone alive today knows, that can override the laws of economics. All socialists will inevitably fail. It may take 1 year, 4 years, 20 years, but they all fail. On average, you can get about 4-10 years out of a socialist system before it devolves into chaos and destruction. Even if there was no War, the Third Reich would have devolved into a shithole with a decade with the massive about of central planning it had. National-, international-, democratic-socialism, communism, fascism, and even democracy--it doesn't matter what you call it, it's all central planning. Centrally planned economies simply do not thrive over the long run and that is an empirically proven fact of history.
I'll admit, I've actually been red-pilled on some things here on Voat about Hitler, about the Nazis, WWII, and the Holocaust. However, that still doesn't change the cold hard FACT: Socialism fails every single time it is tried.
IF a successful, prosperous, all-white ethnostate ever came into existence, I guarantee it would not be a socialist state.
knightwarrior41 ago
upvoated because what you say its coherent and true.personally, the constitution and the bill of rights along with separation of powers within the government along with the citizenry being vigilant of those who govern are enough for me.when i was younger i too believed in utopias until i realized that it cant never be achieved as long as humans walks this earth because we are just evil and prone to be selfish creatures.otherwise,utopias would have been happened since,hell,plato's republic
LexOrandiLexCredendi ago
/Our guy/
Ken_bingo2 ago
This is my understanding of Nat Soc. So I think Elon is now on our side. Get the man some goose steppers.
Mr_big ago
Well he is from south africa aka nigger central
J_Darnley ago
He did say look at who own all the media. I think you describe what followed as "kvetching".
tokui ago
He said it with an undertone of admiration and envy.
metricisokay ago
That was 2018 his political stances have been shifting radically in recent months. I think little Elon is growing up.
knightwarrior41 ago
i think the drugs are getting in to his head too much. DMT is a hell of a drug
Optional_Reading ago
And african American to boot
BalfourYourFace ago
He stole Tesla Corp from its creators, so he is definitely a socialist
wonderfuldonut ago
right, Just like Elizabeth Warren is a Cherokee
Elon is a self promoter,who uses other peoples money to promote his ego!
Just because supposedly rocketed a tesla into space he is now the nerd's wet dream hero
fightknightHERO ago
Don't be silly
Elon Muskovitz is a yid just like every other (((professional businessman)))
https://voat.co/v/news/3837748/23969554
New-World-Ebola ago
national socialism treats fellow countrymen like family.... communism treats everyone like a prisoner... capitalism treats everyone like a debt slave.
knightwarrior41 ago
where the fuck do you get that from? in national socialism if you dont kiss the party line you will go to jail or go a reeducation camp just their communist cousins did.did you think that there werent any germans that opposed hitter,if you believe this then you are in la la land.
New-World-Ebola ago
it's a bit like an uncucked father telling his daughter if she wants to fuck niggers she'll be disowned or better yet, killed.
knightwarrior41 ago
you dont know what you are talking about.you have never been under a socialist system. news for you. i was born in one and it suck balls,one thing is the propaganda and another thing is being a slave of the state without any way to get free from it. you people are living a fantasy,all types of socialism will lead you to one road and end which is totalitarianism and barbarism.
you have a beautiful constitution and bill of rights and you want to change it for what? a dictator? a political system that will manage you from crade to the tomb and tell you what to think and how to think? is that really what YOU want? if so,you can always move to china.there they have something very similar to what you are looking for.
you can knock yourself out.personally i dont want any american to suffer under a dictatorship no matter his skin color and creed or lack thereof
New-World-Ebola ago
you mean you lived under jews? or shitskins? because there has been no socialist system since WW2, they're communists.
knightwarrior41 ago
oh the naivete displayed here.its your choice if you believe what you believe keep dreaming about that fascist paradise that never existed and will never exist. all these utopias are bathed in the blood and tears of the innocents
New-World-Ebola ago
tell me what country is your example of socialism
knightwarrior41 ago
People's Republic of China
Republic of Cuba
Socialist Republic of Vietnam
Democratic People's Republic of Korea
Republic of Nicaragua
Sahrawi Arab Democratic Republic
United Republic of Tanzania
People's Republic of the Congo
New-World-Ebola ago
that's communism doodleburger
roman_socialism ago
"To treat" is an action only conscious beings can perform. None of those ideas you said treat anyone like anything
Granite_Pill ago
Yeah, a family that locks you in prison for criticizing the Leader.
New-World-Ebola ago
if you want to learn about the reich, try doing so from non-jewish sources
PeckerwoodPerry ago
Bobby Fischer was a jew, but that kike gets a pass in my book. It's not one in a million, or ten million, or six gorillion, but every once in a while one comes along that is disgusted by their race. I'm not going looking for them, but if they prove themselves worthy with a lifetime of work I'll give them a pass.
KingMortales ago
If I remember correctly he said he wasn't jewish, that was a lie to discredit him.
WhiteChickens ago
No, we have to stop them from breeding with us.
jthun2 ago
True. They have genetic weaknesses that should not be passed on. The Sephardics are better, but the Ashkenazi are a walking stew of genetic problems.
WhiteChickens ago
It's not that they have problems necessarily (they do), we want to remain a distinct race.
PeckerwoodPerry ago
A couple thousand years ago kikes would've been considered Aryan. I'll make a long story short here, one of the lost tribes of Israel was the tribe of Dan and they were blond haired. That's where Denmark and the river Danube got their names. It's only a handful of those tribes that decided that intermarriage within their own in group was a great idea. We simplify it here, but the anthropology of it is very complicated. I wouldn't fuck an Ashkenazi or a Sephardic jew to save my species, that I agree with you. They've breed themselves into a completely different race. The ones that went north, however, you'd fawn over and would never know the difference.
RockmanRaiden ago
He's from South Africa. He knows the score.
tokui ago
That kike. Rode on our backs using our taxed labor, to lecture us.
His "socialism" is redustribution of wealth - to himself.
knightwarrior41 ago
someone gets it,but every communist at the top does this very thing
MrBateman ago
To my understanding all his businesses are on government money no? That's what Harvard teaches you to do, to utilize the "second" economy nobody else knows about, the socialist one that all the mega corps tie into. The "capitalist" economy is for the "suckers" who think it's hard work, ingenuity, and the intended american design etc that get you to the top.
oh_alf ago
You could make the argument that his businesses serve the broader public interest, though, and therefor deserve public subsidies. Regardless of what you think about the climate change hoax, reducing our dependence on fossil fuels and foreign oil serves the public interest, and SpaceX is certainly more worthy of our tax money than the niggerfied and cucked NASA.
jthun2 ago
What I've learned is that if you study industries closely, they are dominated by players who work hand in hand with both government and organized crime.
Very very few people become billionaires honestly. It's much easier to engage in crime.
ALIENS2222 ago
Holy shit... T. H. I. S.
capicua ago
I would rather government money go to companies like Tesla and SpaceX than Walmart, Amazon, Google, etc. Musk has done a lot of good recently, especially with SpaceX. We probably would not be able to send people back into space with how diverse and feminist NASA has become now. Obama screwed over our space program and we are already seeing Trump and Musk begin to salvage that. We know that when government agencies spend money, they waste a lot of it on lavish excesses, as is evident from those budget reviews on CSPAN. More of these people need to be held accountable and be sent to jail. Wasteful spending on non-essentials using government funds is no different from embezzlement. It's time to close that loophole.
spikes4kikes ago
'government money' is very broad.
spaceX takes government contracts, that's taxpayer money, sure i guess, but it's just another business contract to send shit to space.
research and development subsidised by government money, developing new technologies, that become part of a nations strategic resources, being able to make the single best batteries or rocket engines, that can then be patented and licenced out brings in VASTLY more money in the long run, than they took in subsidies in the first place.
a lot of inventions and research is worth a lot of money, and the payoff can be of strategic important to a country like the US.
raging that 'oh but they take muh gubmit shekkels' is shortsighted idiot-speak.
gazillions ago
Musk made a big pile of cash from tax subsidies for the rich to buy his dumb cars. Taxes from the middle class who can't afford dick.
New-World-Ebola ago
if i had musk's bank account i'd pay to have fentanyl floyd taxidermied so i use the nigger as a target
greydragon ago
I suspect I agree with what you said, but notice that you had to use a lot of quotes to say it. Capitalism made America and Europe awesome at one point. Then the governments got too bloated on taxation. America is not even remotely capitalist now. It is more along the lines of crony capitalism.
knightwarrior41 ago
yeah its a mixture of soft fascism and mercantilism. in current times there's no such thing as free markets.dudes that smoke big cigars behind closed doors makes all the decisions on the economy now.btw,this is what you national socialists want right? the state and business fornicating on a bed together.50 -70 years ago people would puke at the notion
greydragon ago
What political ideology is your solution? The current ones aren't working.
knightwarrior41 ago
going back to our roots a constitutional republic with term limits for congress and senate plus making illegal campaign contributions from big corporations and foreign actors.repeal asset forfeiture and political gerrymandering.make illegal that people that worked in the private sector can run for any type of office since it breeds corruption and conflict of interest.
create a watchdog office by the people with arresting powers in order to fight corruption. set a system of judges that are elected by the people not appointed by president.also make said judges to be neutral when it comes to political affiliation.encourage participation of all political parties in the debates for president of the nation.make illegal to the news organizations to have a favorite under threat of revocation of license and jailtime
no entangled alliances with anyone! bar supranational organizations from american soil.set a quota for european migrants only,otherwise regulate immigration that comes from africa,asia and latin america.
make illegal for universities and colleges to teach any form of marxism. exile any person that is a member of the socialist international and communist party USA.send them to north korea in order for them to get the wambach treatment
make insider trading by congress and other people in govt ILLEGAL so penalty with jail time and hefty fines!
and more ....our system of govt got degraded because people werent vigilant enough. make it as obligatory the teaching of CIVICS from 8th grade onwards....and more
New-World-Ebola ago
i've noticed most Americans have been brainwashed into thinking that socialism basically means communism and capitalism only rewards honest hard work. The thing is: socialism is impossible with diversity... subhumans never contribute or pull their own weight.
socialism requires an ethnostate... look at Germany and Sweden, 2 of the Whitest most productive most inventive countries that had successful socialism... and it wasn't socialism that destroyed them, it was jewish wars and jewish led diversity.
whatisbestinlife ago
not to mention that "true socialism" practiced by an ethnostate is only necessary as a competitive measure or as a defensive measure to recoup economic losses. whites practice socialization naturally. we want to know who are neighbors are. we wants good neighbors. and we like to help those in our community. we dont need communism we need community. communism is the mcdonalds version of a burger with imported beef
New-World-Ebola ago
the only fuckwits that argue against socialism have forgotten what an ethnostate is... and what life is all about.
life is about family and helping your own people out. Socialism is like turning your nation into a charity for your own family and people.
it's exactly what life is all about. Every effort you make is not just about your own personal enrichment but the aid of your entire people.
whatisbestinlife ago
socialism and communism are manufactured political products that are an attempt to emulate the ethno empathy of whites.
New-World-Ebola ago
jews are the problem. never fucking forget that.
undertheshills ago
The misconception that communism is a reliable safety net is a joke too. China doesn't do food stamps or housing subsidies. Every decent patch of dirt in the rural areas is farmed by locals with other jobs. You dont need communism for that kind of food security.
New-World-Ebola ago
china is completely fucked.
they need a deadly virus to wipe them all out.
olinneserpona ago
That is the great lie which keeps the system running. Fool everyone into thinking two sides of the same coin are actually opposites and the only two options. I see it working everywhere; "antifa are the real fascists", "communism and fascism are the same, totalitarian, socialist and lack of freedom of speech, bla bla"
Superficially they have similarities and that's how people are fooled - they are only presented with the tip of the iceberg.
The fact that communism and capitalism are both materialist, globalist, values gold over blood, seeks to eradicate history and culture for the sake of profit and promotes egalitarianism and class struggle(divide and conquer)goes way over the plebs head. So does the notion that fascism is the antithesis to all of this.
Also, the Jew can hide by playing both sides.
New-World-Ebola ago
https://files.catbox.moe/n7s9qt.png
Granite_Pill ago
No. Hitler led Germany to destruction. Hitler destroyed Germany because he got himself into a war he had no chance of winning.
Central planning always results in disaster. There are zero successful socialist states. They all fail. The Third Reich isn't even around anymore. That's technically the definition of failure.
New-World-Ebola ago
no shlomo... Hitler didn't want war with the west.
he was too preoccupied with stopping the invasion of communism.
you can blame churchill and all the kikes in Europe more than anyone.
Granite_Pill ago
There was no economic miracle in the Third Reich. They said Venezuela under Chavez was an economic miracle too.
New-World-Ebola ago
oh... ok kike.
buh bye
theshopper ago
Well in Hitlers defense, there was no one coming to help from anywhere. War was inevitable with the bolsheviks in Russia and the jew slaves of western Europe/America.
Hitlers only "crime" was deciding that Germany should be free to print it's own currency and decide for itself how it should be spent.
Granite_Pill ago
Hitler didn't let Germany decide that. He took over the country as dictator and forced Germany to do what he wanted, what he thought was right. It turns out he was wrong because now Germany is an emasculated globohomo faggot state run by commies and overrun by muslims.
theshopper ago
Jesus man
" It turns out he was wrong because now Germany is an emasculated globohomo faggot state run by commies and overrun by muslims."
He lost and the Jews destroyed Germany. That means he was right.
It must be frightening out there, all alone in the desert, with all your neighbors wanting you dead. Filthy jewish trash.
Granite_Pill ago
Hitler was right about a lot of shit, but...
He was wrong about economics. He was wrong about government policy. And he was wrong about military strategy. He was a deranged megalomaniac who wouldn't listen to his expert generals on strategy and lost the war as a result, thus fucking over Germany forever.
ALIENS2222 ago
This is true. It was a banking war.
MrDarkWater ago
>got himself into a war
It's clear (((you're))) a moron
knightwarrior41 ago
nope,its you that dont know about shit about history.btw,musk says he's a socialist not a national socialist so the OP is way wrong
olinneserpona ago
As if he could get away with outright saying he is NatSoc, come on.
knightwarrior41 ago
so do you think he meant that he was a national socialist because he's musk? personally i know that most of our think tanks,foundations,civic movements,universities are socialists....my eyes got opened when i heard and read how the founded socialist and envirowhacko causes. i was speechless when i founded out about this then again we all have seen the subversion of society by the likes of betty friedan and others
olinneserpona ago
No, it's just that the argument "he didn't say he was a NatSoc, therefore he isn't NatSoc" is flawed since no public person would ever come out of the NatSoc-closet at current times.
What Musk said was very interesting, the socialism he describes himself as not being part of is the egalitarian one(leftist), the only socialism not seeking to redistribute wealth is right wing socialsm(NatSoc and Fascism, even though Mussolini claimed Fascism is absolutely not socialist becuse he saw socialism as class struggle)
Then he finishes of by saying "true socialism seeks the greatest good for all". If for all refers to humanity(globalist) then he is probably a left socialist since "humanity" is a left wing idea. If he meant for his people/in-group/race(nationalist) he is right wing socialist.
This describes right wing socialist policies in action and practice during the Third Reich if you are interested- https://justice4germans.wordpress.com/third-reich/
I don't believe anything that comes from the left, or modern right for that matter, to be true. It is all subverted lies and bullshit to convince white men to give away their lands & resources and accept their own replacement. If a "patriotic" think tank should criticize current affairs they never mention the Jew either.
When you mentioned envirowhacko I came to think of this article I read last week, it's a nice dive into the difference between left and right environmentalism, perhaps you'd also enjoy it.
BrokenVoat ago
No socialism is bad and hated. Socialism kills you eventually. Yuri Maltsev (russian) says it is war on human nature.
New-World-Ebola ago
diversity with socialism quickly becomes communism.
socialism is nature.
Torqueness ago
That's something I've noticed about American discourse particular among lay people, that Socialism = Communism. I think it's misleading.
Granite_Pill ago
Socialism is communism though.
New-World-Ebola ago
decades of kike media conditioning after WW2
Ken_bingo2 ago
They manufactured TWO WARS to hammer that idea home. That socialism=communism and the red scare. Korea and Viet Nam. How many White men had to die for those 2 propaganda operations?
acheron2012 ago
Don’t forget Japan. It is not quite as socialist as it was now that their factories also have to compete with Chinese slave labor.
But it is probably the only socialist nation on earth that is not teetering on the brink of hyperinflation and total infrastructure collapse.
Of course even they have a national debt that is ultimately unmanageable.
The inescapably fatal flaw in socialism is that the universe in which we live has finite resources and humans have unlimited desires.
Written in better prose and always worth remembering how we got here and why it cannot be fixed ——-
‘Bread and Circuses’ is the cancer of democracy, the fatal disease for which there is no cure. Democracy often works beautifully at first. But once a state extends the franchise to every warm body, be he producer or parasite, that day marks the beginning of the end of the state. For when the plebs discover that they can vote themselves bread and circuses without limit and that the productive members of the body politic cannot stop them, they will do so, until the state bleeds to death, or in its weakened condition the state succumbs to an invader—the barbarians enter Rome.”
― Robert A. Heinlein
New-World-Ebola ago
"the inescapably fatal flaw" in socialism you say is actually more relevant to the outcome of capitalism which rapes the earth to no-end producing useless shit in order to make profit in order to buy more useless shit. I'd rather put the environment and people first, and no, i don't believe anthropogenic global warming is an issue... but deforestation and air/water/soil pollution are very real. The planet has too many shitskins.
ALIENS2222 ago
White people don't destroy their environment.
jthun2 ago
Depends what you deem as 'white'. The Soviets were environmentally destructive.
In general Germans and the like have been much better with their countries than other groups.
ALIENS2222 ago
I think you have to look at the scale of the resource... So I just walked around my garden and dumped gas down a few gopher holes. Now you could argue that I destroyed the environment. Well... Maybe. But not really. I sit on a large piece of land that is well managed field/forest. The gassing (kek) of a few underground jews is the difference between feeding my family and not. Is there a better way? Not that I have found and I have been at this 20 years.
My point is Russia is HUGE. Their conditions are TERRIBLE. Look into the second and third order forces driving them to be destructive... (((economic and central bank derived poverty/communism))) comes to mind. Ever look at the German coal mines today? By the way, I'm german/Irish.
Pubiclouse ago
I can't remember the name but someone posted a meme of his people mostly White. He said something along the lines of people working together to accomplish their goal and his team was majority White. Can't remember the word he said sorry
Nosferatjew ago
I think I know which one you're thinking of. It was fairly recent, right?
Pubiclouse ago
Yes
ClandenCTrake ago
Came here to say this
Nosferatjew ago
Which, Elon or Musk? Or the whole thing?
boekanier ago
A globalist who thinks there is such a thing as 'real' socialism. Where did I hear that before?
New-World-Ebola ago
both Germany and Sweden successfully had socialism until jews didn't like it and attacked them.
can you tell me one capitalist country that is highly successful in terms of social and economic balance / life quality?
Granite_Pill ago
USA
CowWithBeef ago
Before the fed was created, the USA had several periods of free trade with sound money.
Debt based currency issued by Rothschild banks makes capitalism impossible.
500five ago
It's not the -ism that matters. What matters is the people who rule over you.
The reason the US didn't end up like Russia in 1915 is due to the decentralization of power structure crafted by the Founders.
New-World-Ebola ago
all states need to become sovereign nations and sort out their own affairs.
the union at this point is not viable.
Blood-is-Nature ago
...judged by those who stand above everyone else.
Nosferatjew ago
Just wait till he rockets himself into space, then he'll literally be above everyone else.
tokui ago
Don't let the kike land.
Wahaha ago
Unless you subscribe to flat earth, not "above" everyone.
CritKhan ago
If you believe in flat earth, then feel free to neck yourself
Nosferatjew ago
If you subscribe to flat earth nonsense, then you would think space is "fake and gay".
Blood-is-Nature ago
Something; something...Sun Tzu...military advantage of taking the high ground...no military in so called space...khazarian tricksters.
shillaccount3344 ago
yes i think it's true....