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or be responsible man have a couple drinks and relax. That means no college bars, nigger bars, spic bars, etc. Just a local rural/suburbia pub with other adults looking to relax and possibly mingle, you christcucks can meet at church if you like, but the rest of us will meet at the bar.
Alchohol releases fairly high levels of dopamine into your brain, and can become addictive.
I like to compare beer to cake, most people can go to a party or a social function whether or not they have cake there. Most people can have a slice of cake and be satisfied. Most people dont have cake every day, let alone several slices.
The problem is Alchohal can become so ever present in your life, you can become so dependent on the dopamine hits from drinking. Other parts of your life suffer even while others can control their drinking it should be important to ask yourself if your behavior is responsible or healthy.
The problem is Alchohal can become so ever present in your life
I agree - Alcho Hal is an ever-present nuisance in my life, always finishing off the last of the beer, whiskey, gin, moonshine, wine, hooch and ale that I have, then passing out and shitting himself. Fucking Hal.
yea those people who get addicted are fucking losers, if it wasn't alcohol it be pills, or cocaine, or gambling... hell it's not bad to get outright drunk once in a while, faggots always like to say some one has "a problem" because all they know is "conventional group think" They repeat the shit they are told like the NPC's they are, having a few drinks every once in a while is fine hell getting drunk once in a blue moon is fine, getting high every once in a while is fine. But if you are doing it consistently and alone then you're a fucking loser.
Alright, first of all, you're using alcohol as an anxiety and social crutch. Not only that, but you're going into a place and paying five times the alcohols actual cost so that you can drink it around other people that also use it as a crutch for their anxiety or social issues.
How about we just meet people in the real world? Through our day to day interactions?
The entire concept of bars and pubs blows my mind though. It's like, damn. There's some really weak people out there. I mean I just 100% don't get it. At all. Maybe if the bars weren't charging such outrageous fucking prices for liquor. I'd prefer hanging out at my own place or a buddies, with friends. You can have a lot more quality nights that way then at the bar, if for no other reason than the damn cost. I'm not even poor, but I'm not going to spend 7$ on a 1.50$ worth of beer. Something in my brain is just like no, fuck that shit. I mean there's gotta be a Jew in there somewhere profiting from all that.
Alcohol as a social crutch is a fallacy or if it is it's as much of a crutch as coincidently going to the same church / school / job. I tell the "alcohol is a crutch" dorks like you this. Power tools are a crutch, you can build a house out of hand tools, but you don't. You can get to work by bike, but you drive. Hell meeting a new person through a mutual friend is a "crutch" you could just walk up to strangers and make a friend 1/200 times but you don't.
When you go to your buddies house is there a 3 man band in the corner playing live music? When you go to your buddies is there is a weekly trivia game where you 3 can compete with other people looking for fun? When you go to your buddies can you watch the drunk girl bomb at karaoke and laugh at her with the people around you? When you go to your buddies house does he have 7 different tv's playing every sport known to man?
It seems your idea of going to a bar is sitting and drinking alone. The concept of going to bar is there are other people there looking for something to do. Once you stop working at McDonalds making new friends isn't common. You work a 9-5 M-F for 10 years you don't meet new people.
I'll give you an example, while ago me and a buddy were at a bar discussing a trip we planned on taking the next year, guy next to us overheard us talking about the destination he said he had been, suggested a few places to check out. We looked up the places he said they seemed pretty interesting so we planned on going to where he suggested. Saw him a month or so later mentioned we had booked the trip and were planning on going the following march and were going to stay at the place he suggested. Turned out his brother in law ran the place, he told his brother in law we were his "good friends" (didn't even know the guys last name) and they upgraded our rooms to the presidential suite because it was vacant the week we got there. woulda been like 3000+ for the 4 nights, but we paid only 800.
Few years ago I went to a bar a few times and talked to the married bar tender a bit, she was unavailable so there was no pressure to flirt of be smooth, she and her husband ended up being a friend and when she opened her new business I helped her get her licensing rushed since I knew some people and she bought a bunch of equipment/supplies from me. They are doing well now with their business and my company and myself have made a lot of money from them.
You seem content with playing xbox at your friends house
When you go to your buddies house is there a 3 man band in the corner playing live music? When you go to your buddies is there is a weekly trivia game where you 3 can compete with other people looking for fun? When you go to your buddies can you watch the drunk girl bomb at karaoke and laugh at her with the people around you? When you go to your buddies house does he have 7 different tv's playing every sport known to man?
u and your buddies can have yu-gi-oh tournaments or prayer circles or w/e it is u faggots like doing at his house. The point was there is other shit to do at bars than drinking alone
Stopped reading at that point. Feel free to educate yourself. I'm not sifting through several paragraphs of your horseshit if you disagree about settled science. Alcohol is a crutch. That's one of the reasons it's so addictive, by the way. Again, feel free to educate yourself.
You're talking about what, things people have in common? I actually acknowledged that with liquor. You have using it as a crutch for anxiety and social issues in common with those people.
I live in a rural/suburb city of about 10k. 94% white and niggers stay in their segregated area. We have about 10 bars: 1 of them are for rednecks, 1 for 50+ crowd, 2 "frat"bars, 3 sports bar/ grills, a hipster bar, and a couple miscellaneous bars The misc bars and the sports bars a have no issues, the frat bars rarely have fights, the redneck bars have the most drama it seems.
I was right in the middle of a fucking reptile zoo, and somebody was giving booze to these goddamn things. Won't be long now before they tear us to shreds.
I remember was it was like... being fascinated by the sharpness of some boomers gray hair in a queue, thinking how beautiful he and his boomer wife were for just being alive, being in that queue with me, wondering about how many kids they had and thinking about how they would live on in them.
Yeah it feels great and you think "Man if everyone could understand this there would be no war, no suffering, we would all be happy and free and natural." Then you go learn some history (because the educational system doesn't teach a damn thing that happened after 1945 and realize the hippies tried that, it ends in 'the brown acid,' people living on the streets en mass in SF (some things never change), naked toddlers tripping balls, radical feminism and a bunch of whackjobs taking over academia and turning the next generation into commie retards.
Huxley was wrong, even in the right hands it'll still make your society empathetic and idealistic to the point suicide.
I will have a psychedelic gleam in my eye at all times
I will love everyone
I will love the police as they kick the shit out of me on the street
If you take acid in a comfortable, safe, fun place where the atmosphere and vibe is all good, loving, and happy you will end up like this. However, if you take it and just walk around a city, or go into bars/clubs, head to the mall or whatever, you will see the real reality. You will not be all peace and love and comunes and everybody just needs a hug. It will be the complete opposite. You will see how almost every interaction between people is guided by evil and greed and power. I suggest not doing this in any diverse or dark skinned area at first. You will be horrified.
When I tried mushies I actually became a lot more conservative. I realized black people were scary when a friend turned on rap music, it sounded evil. I was basically a SJW at the time and was horrified at the discovery that I'm 'racist'. I also realized I wanted kids some day, and wanted to become a better, healthier person. I don't understand how anyone could let their lives go to shit after trying psychedelics, or why anyone would take them frequently. Someone told me that bad trips are more useful than good ones. I think what you said supports that. If people get too comfortable they get lazy. A bad trip is upsetting because reality is upsetting, and should motivate people to get their lives together. Not everyone can handle it though.
Yeah, that drug was developed as part of MKUltra, literally as an agent to disassociate and fragment the human personality - basically to remove individuality. We're all adults, but maybe don't.
“As somebody who has steered clear of synthetics and natural psychedelics, I can say that all of the people in my life . . .”
Psychedelic usage patterns and outcomes are really only indicative of the user and their respective intention, wisdom, intelligence (IQ and emotional) and psychological flaws. Essentially, poorly prepared, lower calibre users will have less productive experiences. For this reason, I think most people probably shouldn’t take psychedelics.
“the collective isn't what is at stake in our world today - in fact, it's the enemy.”
I think the ‘collectivism’ or ‘oneness’ experienced with psychedelics is completely unrelated to the collectivism of Communism.
Aldous Huxley said:
“To be shaken out of the ruts of ordinary perception, to be shown for a few timeless hours the outer and inner world, not as they appear to an animal obsessed with survival or to a human being obsessed with words and notions, but as they are apprehended, directly and unconditionally, by Mind at Large — this is an experience of inestimable value to everyone and especially to the intellectual.”
"An intellectual is a person who has discovered something more interesting than sex.”
"We as personalities — as what we like to think of ourselves as being — are in fact only a very small part of an immense manifestation of activity, physical and mental, of which we are simply not aware. We have some control over this inasmuch as some actions being voluntary we can say, I want this to happen, and somebody else does the work for us. But meanwhile, many actions go on without our having the slightest consciousness of them, and … these vegetative actions can be grossly interfered with by our undesirable thoughts, our fears, our greeds, our angers, and so on . . .
The question then arises, How are we related to this? Why is it that we think of ourselves as only this minute part of a totality far larger than we are — a totality which according to many philosophers may actually be coextensive with the total activity of the universe?”
I disagree with no part of what Huxley said, but the problem of the one and the many isn't solved by them. I also would agree with you that 'oneness' and collectivism as experienced on a trip are different than Communism, if we are taking each as discrete phenomena. But I'd rather take them as participating in a larger principle of dissolving the individual, which one could not argue both do. I do this because I am trying to focus attention on the individual itself, what's really threatened by the collective principle.
The question then arises, How are we related to this? Why is it that we think of ourselves as only this minute part of a totality far larger than we are — a totality which according to many philosophers may actually be coextensive with the total activity of the universe?
Completely right, and just fine. But, this is the result of looking one direction isn't it? Of taking ourselves as "inside" ourselves looking out at a universe presenting itself to us, asking "how do I relate to that?"
To me, there is just as interesting a question - a perhaps an even more challenging one. Given the one versus the many problem. Given this "total activity" of the universe. Why is there an individual having an experience of it. Why am I part of this interactive, intersubjective synthetic kind of process that can experience a song or love?
The distinction, as I see it, is many of the so-called "enlightened" spiritual disciplines and gurus all want you focused on the present and on the One; when it seems to me that we evolved our individuality for an equally universal and cosmically important reason. There were things which the universe itself could not confront, but had to, things it would appear only a human or something human-like was able to confront - and not always pleasant things.
“To me, there is just as interesting a question - and perhaps an even more challenging one.”
Yes, I think it depends upon on what you want to know and why. I took three LSD tabs at age 19 and the experience was, for me, profound. I was vividly confronted with direct experience of my conceptual limitations and I felt I understood Schopenhauer when he said: “Every Man Mistakes the Limits of His Vision For The Limits Of The World.”
After reading William Blake, I wanted to know if people not born with this ‘vision’, were able to conjure it through certain practices and sans drugs and at the end of the day, was it good for a pragmatist?
“To see a World in a Grain of Sand
And a Heaven in a Wild Flower,
Hold Infinity in the palm of your hand
And Eternity in an hour.”
My investigations thus far have led me believe that consciousness is primary, or as quantum physicist Amit Goswami said: “’God’ is consciousness in it’s creative state.”
If consciousness is primary, then it is also eternal.
If consciousness is primary and eternal, then the concept of reincarnation is fully supportable.
If reincarnation is real, then in light of the suffering that pervades this planet, the most pressing question for me was: what, exactly, determines the type of re-birth we take and are we able to exert influence upon this process?
“we evolved our individuality and ability to exist simultaneously in past/present/future, and to synthesize them”
The ‘future’, by definition, is that which has not yet occurred and therefore does not currently, truly exist.
The ‘past’, is that which has already occurred and therefore does not currently, truly exist.
The ‘present’, is that period of time between where the ‘future’ ends and the ‘past’ begins.
The very instant the ‘present’ comes into existence, the moment it ‘starts’, it should instantaneously become the past to make way for the next ‘present moment’. And yet, by definition, it must consist of a start/middle/end.
Erwin Schrodinger said: “For eternally and always there is only one now, one and the same now; the present is the only thing that has no end.”
The only possible mode of existence for something that does not truly exist and yet does, is as a concept. It’s still a mode of ‘existence’ and functions well for us in our day to day living – but concepts are limited in their capacity and thus limit the truth seeker in his quest, but not the farmer, hunter or baker. When we think we are living in a synthesised past/present/future, that is an illusion because mind can only hold one object of thought at a time – attention is merely jumping very quickly from one conceptual fabrication (thought) to another. This is irrelevant for the layman (unless they suffer for it) but crucial for those seeking truth. Most people die without ever experiencing a mental state free of incessant conceptual elaboration or conversely, the benefit of a mind focussed in and acting out of the present moment.
The words of the ancients often fall on deaf ears because most people have no reference points for that which they have not themselves experienced. With the right person, even a brief encounter with psychedelics can provide that reference point.
I don't truly have much to say about the profundity of the sort of experience you are discussing in the beginning. Like you, I do think that experience is revealing, but what it reveals on the rational side of the equation (not the experiential side) can be understood through a different route - in my opinion. I believe I have that understanding, having never had a psychedelic experience. This understanding is comprised of the realization that consciousness as we understand it does not equate to mind, rather one unique confluence of many minds into one stream of awareness of the present, with the ability to remember the past and form expectations of the future. Now, this is a highly unique confluence of mind - one which I place great importance on, that is the sober state - but I would never discount the fact that there are other forms of mind and even forms of it that our brain is capable of accessing if we change the circumstances within the body and the environment.
My point in my first post was that I did not believe that these other possibilities for experience were what we were meant to be experiencing (as some people I know fond of mushrooms and acid are fond of saying). I believe we are having these unique individual mental experiences (what I guess some would call the ego experience) for a reason, in other words, we were meant to confront the universe as egos. There is a reason for it, even though the ego experience is often riddled with anxiety, pain, etc. Without those, there wouldn't be certain other forms of joy or purpose that we would have access to, certainly not by losing our individuality in the womb of the psychedelic experience.
But I agree with you and with Schopenhauer on the fact that our vision is limited, it's merely that I see purpose in that limitation. There are other ways of experiencing the universe, but they are not ours. It may be that these other ways - accessible to us via certain drugs - are therapeutic, or eye-opening, or even help to orient us in our lives. I think that is possible. I just found it important to note that all of the people I know who routinely trip invariably start to seek out the trip more and more frequently, while their resentment of sober everyday life continued to grow, along with their anxiety. I just don't see it as a cure-all or any sort of secret that we can access these other states. To me, the theatre is here, the pain and the grime and the boredom and individuality and all of it.
The ‘future’, by definition, is that which has not yet occurred and therefore does not currently, truly exist. The ‘past’, is that which has already occurred and therefore does not currently, truly exist.
On the contrary, we make it exist. That is one of the unique properties of our particular human confluence of mind. We exist in multiple contexts at one time. Your conception of past and present is only true if we live in a "presentational" sort of reality, i.e. we are a mind before which the universe presents itself as objects and change and passage.
That sort of definition ambitiously tries to posit some "objective" future, i.e. almost becoming deterministic right? The future is coming, like it were an object or a situation that already is and is merely approaching. I tend to think of the future as that which we expect. It is the result of that unique power and liability of the mind I discussed in the last post, this synthetic nature of human consciousness. For the human person, the future is just as real as the present, in fact, it is only because of past and future that we have the present. I disagree with many of the spiritualists passionately about this insistence on only the present's existence. This simply cannot be the case.
What is the best common sense means of revealing that truth to yourself? Music.
What is a song if not a sequence of sounds. Each sound must live and die so that the next note can become present, otherwise none of the notes has any meaning at all - that is, each note gains it's meaning through what came before and directly after it. You could also say that each note gains its meaning through a negation, the absence of what it isn't (this absence of what the immediate note isn't is exactly our temporal sense of past and future, what that note isn't is what it was in the previous moment, and what it will be in the next). This is where our sense of time comes from - it's directly a part of the way in which we experience the present.
Take the future for instance. At least a good portion of the experience of meaning of any musical note in a song has to do with the expectation of where the musical experience is going. You could imagine the absurdity of a song that consisted of just a single note droning on and on. You'd probably say, "That isn't a song at all." And you'd be right. But look how this reveals what our experience of music entails, and what it says about experience at all. Our experience of meaning is a series of things which come and which die, and gain their meaning only because of what they are not, that is what has passed and is no longer, and what we expect is coming.
This is perfectly reconcilable with Schrodinger's idea. The present is the only thing that presents before us, in the sense of being "out there" (having the properties of extension in space and cause and effect), and by definition, the present cannot end because the concept of time is frame after frame passing through this filter of the present. The present is the theatre, the only place where the synthesis that we call experience can happen, but this does not mean that the past and the future are not real. I also think it is possible to pursue the kind of focus on the present that happens in, say, Buddhism without having to sacrifice the importance of past and future. In fact, I look at it a lot like a sleep-waking cycle. There are times we need to do the "zen thing" and to bleed into the present and forget ourselves. This is sleep. But there are times when this is not prudent at all, and we are confronted by things in this universe that demand the individual to experience them fully, and not the person who is asleep, dreaming they've killed their ego. There are times to sleep, and times to wake up. Most people I see turning to spirituality are trying to escape the latter, and are using the Buddhist practices as shoes for running.
You could not experience the present moment without the past and the future, which is why humans exist in all three at once. We get confused when we talk about terms like "real", but suffice it to say I believe we do exist across multiple times simultaneously, just not in a way which science has become robust enough to grasp. Man is a being whose conscious experience is extended not only beyond his brain, but also across time. But we have to ditch the rabid Cartesian notion of body/mind, and it has trapped the world of science since the enlightenment with no sign of letting go.
one of my favorite pieces of advice ever is from my friends dad, who used to be a biker(now a plumber), who told us "if you do acid for god sakes avoid the mall". We didnt. He was right.
its been a LONG time but I kind of remember, I guess to summarize it everything was super fake, so much so that it took on a kind of "evil" vibe, like we (or at least I) felt REALLY out of place and everything was way too busy, too bright and polished etc, bad energy man! I never went to malls much so that probably didnt help, and I still wonder if him saying that is what set us up to be nervous about going! Later we were walking home at night still tripping and one of my genius friends decided to shine a laser pointer into a police cruiser, the cop got pissed, got out and ran up to us shining his light in our face saying HOW DO YOU LIKE IT!? and that was definitely one of the top 10 terrifying experiences of my life.
You might be interested in the writings of Aldous Huxley. He wrote two short essays from his extensive experience with mescalin and LSD: Heaven and Hell and The Doors of Perception.
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New-World-Ebola ago
go to a pub or club sober and stay sober... and witness how fucking judaised and degenerate it is.
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CrudOMatic ago
You watch your fucking whore mouth, nigger. Working class watering holes are not jewish cocaine faggot clubs.
New-World-Ebola ago
found the alcoholic.
not all pubs are the same, dumb shit.
CrudOMatic ago
Found the mouthbreather that never leaves his house. Explain in what way is a watering hole like a jewish cocaine faggot club.
New-World-Ebola ago
so you think all pubs today are traditional "watering holes"?
useful idiot
common_sense ago
He never said “all” pubs. You’re making shit up.
New-World-Ebola ago
is that your boyfriend, faggot?
i never said "all" pubs in the original statement either, fuckwit.
if you weren't a dumb cunt that could actually fucking read you would have seen i said MOST.
common_sense ago
New-World-Ebola ago
because faggots like you make unnecessary strawman arguments
Creggieb ago
Might as well sit at home and stare at the wall then spend time in that type of a social situation sober.
Someone elses music, someone elses chair, someone elses television, and that someone else is a business.
Kleemin ago
or be responsible man have a couple drinks and relax. That means no college bars, nigger bars, spic bars, etc. Just a local rural/suburbia pub with other adults looking to relax and possibly mingle, you christcucks can meet at church if you like, but the rest of us will meet at the bar.
GnosticPizza ago
Alchohol releases fairly high levels of dopamine into your brain, and can become addictive.
I like to compare beer to cake, most people can go to a party or a social function whether or not they have cake there. Most people can have a slice of cake and be satisfied. Most people dont have cake every day, let alone several slices.
The problem is Alchohal can become so ever present in your life, you can become so dependent on the dopamine hits from drinking. Other parts of your life suffer even while others can control their drinking it should be important to ask yourself if your behavior is responsible or healthy.
CrudOMatic ago
I agree - Alcho Hal is an ever-present nuisance in my life, always finishing off the last of the beer, whiskey, gin, moonshine, wine, hooch and ale that I have, then passing out and shitting himself. Fucking Hal.
Kleemin ago
yea those people who get addicted are fucking losers, if it wasn't alcohol it be pills, or cocaine, or gambling... hell it's not bad to get outright drunk once in a while, faggots always like to say some one has "a problem" because all they know is "conventional group think" They repeat the shit they are told like the NPC's they are, having a few drinks every once in a while is fine hell getting drunk once in a blue moon is fine, getting high every once in a while is fine. But if you are doing it consistently and alone then you're a fucking loser.
Hyst ago
Alright, first of all, you're using alcohol as an anxiety and social crutch. Not only that, but you're going into a place and paying five times the alcohols actual cost so that you can drink it around other people that also use it as a crutch for their anxiety or social issues.
How about we just meet people in the real world? Through our day to day interactions?
The entire concept of bars and pubs blows my mind though. It's like, damn. There's some really weak people out there. I mean I just 100% don't get it. At all. Maybe if the bars weren't charging such outrageous fucking prices for liquor. I'd prefer hanging out at my own place or a buddies, with friends. You can have a lot more quality nights that way then at the bar, if for no other reason than the damn cost. I'm not even poor, but I'm not going to spend 7$ on a 1.50$ worth of beer. Something in my brain is just like no, fuck that shit. I mean there's gotta be a Jew in there somewhere profiting from all that.
Kleemin ago
Alcohol as a social crutch is a fallacy or if it is it's as much of a crutch as coincidently going to the same church / school / job. I tell the "alcohol is a crutch" dorks like you this. Power tools are a crutch, you can build a house out of hand tools, but you don't. You can get to work by bike, but you drive. Hell meeting a new person through a mutual friend is a "crutch" you could just walk up to strangers and make a friend 1/200 times but you don't.
When you go to your buddies house is there a 3 man band in the corner playing live music? When you go to your buddies is there is a weekly trivia game where you 3 can compete with other people looking for fun? When you go to your buddies can you watch the drunk girl bomb at karaoke and laugh at her with the people around you? When you go to your buddies house does he have 7 different tv's playing every sport known to man?
It seems your idea of going to a bar is sitting and drinking alone. The concept of going to bar is there are other people there looking for something to do. Once you stop working at McDonalds making new friends isn't common. You work a 9-5 M-F for 10 years you don't meet new people.
I'll give you an example, while ago me and a buddy were at a bar discussing a trip we planned on taking the next year, guy next to us overheard us talking about the destination he said he had been, suggested a few places to check out. We looked up the places he said they seemed pretty interesting so we planned on going to where he suggested. Saw him a month or so later mentioned we had booked the trip and were planning on going the following march and were going to stay at the place he suggested. Turned out his brother in law ran the place, he told his brother in law we were his "good friends" (didn't even know the guys last name) and they upgraded our rooms to the presidential suite because it was vacant the week we got there. woulda been like 3000+ for the 4 nights, but we paid only 800.
Few years ago I went to a bar a few times and talked to the married bar tender a bit, she was unavailable so there was no pressure to flirt of be smooth, she and her husband ended up being a friend and when she opened her new business I helped her get her licensing rushed since I knew some people and she bought a bunch of equipment/supplies from me. They are doing well now with their business and my company and myself have made a lot of money from them.
You seem content with playing xbox at your friends house
Tsilent_Tsunami ago
That sounds horrible. My God.
Kleemin ago
u and your buddies can have yu-gi-oh tournaments or prayer circles or w/e it is u faggots like doing at his house. The point was there is other shit to do at bars than drinking alone
CrudOMatic ago
I'm assuming not all at the same time.
Hyst ago
Stopped reading at that point. Feel free to educate yourself. I'm not sifting through several paragraphs of your horseshit if you disagree about settled science. Alcohol is a crutch. That's one of the reasons it's so addictive, by the way. Again, feel free to educate yourself.
CrudOMatic ago
Then so are power tools, cars, mutual friends, toilet paper, eating utensils, electricity, running potable water, etc.
Hyst ago
You're talking about what, things people have in common? I actually acknowledged that with liquor. You have using it as a crutch for anxiety and social issues in common with those people.
Kleemin ago
"settled science" the terminology of a kike shill
Kleemin ago
ah you read it ya faggot don't lie to yourself anymore.
New-World-Ebola ago
those are few and far between these days... (((diversity))) has been invading fucking everywhere
Kleemin ago
I live in a rural/suburb city of about 10k. 94% white and niggers stay in their segregated area. We have about 10 bars: 1 of them are for rednecks, 1 for 50+ crowd, 2 "frat"bars, 3 sports bar/ grills, a hipster bar, and a couple miscellaneous bars The misc bars and the sports bars a have no issues, the frat bars rarely have fights, the redneck bars have the most drama it seems.
klobos ago
Try it on a little acid and you will never look at humans the same.
Lord_Oprah ago
Omg try doing it through the ghetto in Louisville - on a positive note this experience redpilled my sister to race realities
CrudOMatic ago
Please! Tell me about the fucking golf shoes!
Registered_Goat_9998 ago
Greatest movie ever... Scary as hell - was too high the first time I watched it.
Can we at least agree that Rick here is spot on despite the drinking and smoking
not all drugs are created equal.
klobos ago
You won't understand that scene unless you have been on acid in a place like that.
InClownWorldSellPnut ago
I remember was it was like... being fascinated by the sharpness of some boomers gray hair in a queue, thinking how beautiful he and his boomer wife were for just being alive, being in that queue with me, wondering about how many kids they had and thinking about how they would live on in them.
Yeah it feels great and you think "Man if everyone could understand this there would be no war, no suffering, we would all be happy and free and natural." Then you go learn some history (because the educational system doesn't teach a damn thing that happened after 1945 and realize the hippies tried that, it ends in 'the brown acid,' people living on the streets en mass in SF (some things never change), naked toddlers tripping balls, radical feminism and a bunch of whackjobs taking over academia and turning the next generation into commie retards.
Huxley was wrong, even in the right hands it'll still make your society empathetic and idealistic to the point suicide.
klobos ago
If you take acid in a comfortable, safe, fun place where the atmosphere and vibe is all good, loving, and happy you will end up like this. However, if you take it and just walk around a city, or go into bars/clubs, head to the mall or whatever, you will see the real reality. You will not be all peace and love and comunes and everybody just needs a hug. It will be the complete opposite. You will see how almost every interaction between people is guided by evil and greed and power. I suggest not doing this in any diverse or dark skinned area at first. You will be horrified.
FantasticHamplanet ago
When I tried mushies I actually became a lot more conservative. I realized black people were scary when a friend turned on rap music, it sounded evil. I was basically a SJW at the time and was horrified at the discovery that I'm 'racist'. I also realized I wanted kids some day, and wanted to become a better, healthier person. I don't understand how anyone could let their lives go to shit after trying psychedelics, or why anyone would take them frequently. Someone told me that bad trips are more useful than good ones. I think what you said supports that. If people get too comfortable they get lazy. A bad trip is upsetting because reality is upsetting, and should motivate people to get their lives together. Not everyone can handle it though.
Tandemlee ago
This is profound and true.
not_drunk ago
and try on alot of acid,
never look at the world the same again.
Goyana_punch ago
I am 6 years sober because of exactly this
chirogonemd ago
Yeah, that drug was developed as part of MKUltra, literally as an agent to disassociate and fragment the human personality - basically to remove individuality. We're all adults, but maybe don't.
Granite_Pill ago
Nah, that's just a phase. Once you're red-pilled, the trip is totally different.
projection ago
“As somebody who has steered clear of synthetics and natural psychedelics, I can say that all of the people in my life . . .”
Psychedelic usage patterns and outcomes are really only indicative of the user and their respective intention, wisdom, intelligence (IQ and emotional) and psychological flaws. Essentially, poorly prepared, lower calibre users will have less productive experiences. For this reason, I think most people probably shouldn’t take psychedelics.
“the collective isn't what is at stake in our world today - in fact, it's the enemy.”
I think the ‘collectivism’ or ‘oneness’ experienced with psychedelics is completely unrelated to the collectivism of Communism.
Aldous Huxley said:
“To be shaken out of the ruts of ordinary perception, to be shown for a few timeless hours the outer and inner world, not as they appear to an animal obsessed with survival or to a human being obsessed with words and notions, but as they are apprehended, directly and unconditionally, by Mind at Large — this is an experience of inestimable value to everyone and especially to the intellectual.”
"An intellectual is a person who has discovered something more interesting than sex.”
"We as personalities — as what we like to think of ourselves as being — are in fact only a very small part of an immense manifestation of activity, physical and mental, of which we are simply not aware. We have some control over this inasmuch as some actions being voluntary we can say, I want this to happen, and somebody else does the work for us. But meanwhile, many actions go on without our having the slightest consciousness of them, and … these vegetative actions can be grossly interfered with by our undesirable thoughts, our fears, our greeds, our angers, and so on . . .
The question then arises, How are we related to this? Why is it that we think of ourselves as only this minute part of a totality far larger than we are — a totality which according to many philosophers may actually be coextensive with the total activity of the universe?”
chirogonemd ago
I disagree with no part of what Huxley said, but the problem of the one and the many isn't solved by them. I also would agree with you that 'oneness' and collectivism as experienced on a trip are different than Communism, if we are taking each as discrete phenomena. But I'd rather take them as participating in a larger principle of dissolving the individual, which one could not argue both do. I do this because I am trying to focus attention on the individual itself, what's really threatened by the collective principle.
Completely right, and just fine. But, this is the result of looking one direction isn't it? Of taking ourselves as "inside" ourselves looking out at a universe presenting itself to us, asking "how do I relate to that?"
To me, there is just as interesting a question - a perhaps an even more challenging one. Given the one versus the many problem. Given this "total activity" of the universe. Why is there an individual having an experience of it. Why am I part of this interactive, intersubjective synthetic kind of process that can experience a song or love?
The distinction, as I see it, is many of the so-called "enlightened" spiritual disciplines and gurus all want you focused on the present and on the One; when it seems to me that we evolved our individuality for an equally universal and cosmically important reason. There were things which the universe itself could not confront, but had to, things it would appear only a human or something human-like was able to confront - and not always pleasant things.
projection ago
“To me, there is just as interesting a question - and perhaps an even more challenging one.”
Yes, I think it depends upon on what you want to know and why. I took three LSD tabs at age 19 and the experience was, for me, profound. I was vividly confronted with direct experience of my conceptual limitations and I felt I understood Schopenhauer when he said: “Every Man Mistakes the Limits of His Vision For The Limits Of The World.”
After reading William Blake, I wanted to know if people not born with this ‘vision’, were able to conjure it through certain practices and sans drugs and at the end of the day, was it good for a pragmatist?
“To see a World in a Grain of Sand
And a Heaven in a Wild Flower,
Hold Infinity in the palm of your hand
And Eternity in an hour.”
My investigations thus far have led me believe that consciousness is primary, or as quantum physicist Amit Goswami said: “’God’ is consciousness in it’s creative state.”
If consciousness is primary, then it is also eternal.
If consciousness is primary and eternal, then the concept of reincarnation is fully supportable.
If reincarnation is real, then in light of the suffering that pervades this planet, the most pressing question for me was: what, exactly, determines the type of re-birth we take and are we able to exert influence upon this process?
“we evolved our individuality and ability to exist simultaneously in past/present/future, and to synthesize them”
The ‘future’, by definition, is that which has not yet occurred and therefore does not currently, truly exist.
The ‘past’, is that which has already occurred and therefore does not currently, truly exist.
The ‘present’, is that period of time between where the ‘future’ ends and the ‘past’ begins.
The very instant the ‘present’ comes into existence, the moment it ‘starts’, it should instantaneously become the past to make way for the next ‘present moment’. And yet, by definition, it must consist of a start/middle/end.
Erwin Schrodinger said: “For eternally and always there is only one now, one and the same now; the present is the only thing that has no end.”
The only possible mode of existence for something that does not truly exist and yet does, is as a concept. It’s still a mode of ‘existence’ and functions well for us in our day to day living – but concepts are limited in their capacity and thus limit the truth seeker in his quest, but not the farmer, hunter or baker. When we think we are living in a synthesised past/present/future, that is an illusion because mind can only hold one object of thought at a time – attention is merely jumping very quickly from one conceptual fabrication (thought) to another. This is irrelevant for the layman (unless they suffer for it) but crucial for those seeking truth. Most people die without ever experiencing a mental state free of incessant conceptual elaboration or conversely, the benefit of a mind focussed in and acting out of the present moment.
The words of the ancients often fall on deaf ears because most people have no reference points for that which they have not themselves experienced. With the right person, even a brief encounter with psychedelics can provide that reference point.
chirogonemd ago
I don't truly have much to say about the profundity of the sort of experience you are discussing in the beginning. Like you, I do think that experience is revealing, but what it reveals on the rational side of the equation (not the experiential side) can be understood through a different route - in my opinion. I believe I have that understanding, having never had a psychedelic experience. This understanding is comprised of the realization that consciousness as we understand it does not equate to mind, rather one unique confluence of many minds into one stream of awareness of the present, with the ability to remember the past and form expectations of the future. Now, this is a highly unique confluence of mind - one which I place great importance on, that is the sober state - but I would never discount the fact that there are other forms of mind and even forms of it that our brain is capable of accessing if we change the circumstances within the body and the environment.
My point in my first post was that I did not believe that these other possibilities for experience were what we were meant to be experiencing (as some people I know fond of mushrooms and acid are fond of saying). I believe we are having these unique individual mental experiences (what I guess some would call the ego experience) for a reason, in other words, we were meant to confront the universe as egos. There is a reason for it, even though the ego experience is often riddled with anxiety, pain, etc. Without those, there wouldn't be certain other forms of joy or purpose that we would have access to, certainly not by losing our individuality in the womb of the psychedelic experience.
But I agree with you and with Schopenhauer on the fact that our vision is limited, it's merely that I see purpose in that limitation. There are other ways of experiencing the universe, but they are not ours. It may be that these other ways - accessible to us via certain drugs - are therapeutic, or eye-opening, or even help to orient us in our lives. I think that is possible. I just found it important to note that all of the people I know who routinely trip invariably start to seek out the trip more and more frequently, while their resentment of sober everyday life continued to grow, along with their anxiety. I just don't see it as a cure-all or any sort of secret that we can access these other states. To me, the theatre is here, the pain and the grime and the boredom and individuality and all of it.
On the contrary, we make it exist. That is one of the unique properties of our particular human confluence of mind. We exist in multiple contexts at one time. Your conception of past and present is only true if we live in a "presentational" sort of reality, i.e. we are a mind before which the universe presents itself as objects and change and passage.
That sort of definition ambitiously tries to posit some "objective" future, i.e. almost becoming deterministic right? The future is coming, like it were an object or a situation that already is and is merely approaching. I tend to think of the future as that which we expect. It is the result of that unique power and liability of the mind I discussed in the last post, this synthetic nature of human consciousness. For the human person, the future is just as real as the present, in fact, it is only because of past and future that we have the present. I disagree with many of the spiritualists passionately about this insistence on only the present's existence. This simply cannot be the case.
What is the best common sense means of revealing that truth to yourself? Music.
What is a song if not a sequence of sounds. Each sound must live and die so that the next note can become present, otherwise none of the notes has any meaning at all - that is, each note gains it's meaning through what came before and directly after it. You could also say that each note gains its meaning through a negation, the absence of what it isn't (this absence of what the immediate note isn't is exactly our temporal sense of past and future, what that note isn't is what it was in the previous moment, and what it will be in the next). This is where our sense of time comes from - it's directly a part of the way in which we experience the present.
Take the future for instance. At least a good portion of the experience of meaning of any musical note in a song has to do with the expectation of where the musical experience is going. You could imagine the absurdity of a song that consisted of just a single note droning on and on. You'd probably say, "That isn't a song at all." And you'd be right. But look how this reveals what our experience of music entails, and what it says about experience at all. Our experience of meaning is a series of things which come and which die, and gain their meaning only because of what they are not, that is what has passed and is no longer, and what we expect is coming.
This is perfectly reconcilable with Schrodinger's idea. The present is the only thing that presents before us, in the sense of being "out there" (having the properties of extension in space and cause and effect), and by definition, the present cannot end because the concept of time is frame after frame passing through this filter of the present. The present is the theatre, the only place where the synthesis that we call experience can happen, but this does not mean that the past and the future are not real. I also think it is possible to pursue the kind of focus on the present that happens in, say, Buddhism without having to sacrifice the importance of past and future. In fact, I look at it a lot like a sleep-waking cycle. There are times we need to do the "zen thing" and to bleed into the present and forget ourselves. This is sleep. But there are times when this is not prudent at all, and we are confronted by things in this universe that demand the individual to experience them fully, and not the person who is asleep, dreaming they've killed their ego. There are times to sleep, and times to wake up. Most people I see turning to spirituality are trying to escape the latter, and are using the Buddhist practices as shoes for running.
You could not experience the present moment without the past and the future, which is why humans exist in all three at once. We get confused when we talk about terms like "real", but suffice it to say I believe we do exist across multiple times simultaneously, just not in a way which science has become robust enough to grasp. Man is a being whose conscious experience is extended not only beyond his brain, but also across time. But we have to ditch the rabid Cartesian notion of body/mind, and it has trapped the world of science since the enlightenment with no sign of letting go.
alele-opathic ago
Another insightful post.
I'll bet I know who your downvoters are. We've got a couple pro-drug shills on here larping as goats.
mrnicegoy ago
one of my favorite pieces of advice ever is from my friends dad, who used to be a biker(now a plumber), who told us "if you do acid for god sakes avoid the mall". We didnt. He was right.
TameFloyd ago
Could you describe the experience? I'd be super interested to hear.
mrnicegoy ago
its been a LONG time but I kind of remember, I guess to summarize it everything was super fake, so much so that it took on a kind of "evil" vibe, like we (or at least I) felt REALLY out of place and everything was way too busy, too bright and polished etc, bad energy man! I never went to malls much so that probably didnt help, and I still wonder if him saying that is what set us up to be nervous about going! Later we were walking home at night still tripping and one of my genius friends decided to shine a laser pointer into a police cruiser, the cop got pissed, got out and ran up to us shining his light in our face saying HOW DO YOU LIKE IT!? and that was definitely one of the top 10 terrifying experiences of my life.
projection ago
You might be interested in the writings of Aldous Huxley. He wrote two short essays from his extensive experience with mescalin and LSD: Heaven and Hell and The Doors of Perception.
https://highexistence.com/aldous-huxley-quotes/
https://psychedelictimes.com/doors-of-perception-how-aldous-huxley-brought-lsd-therapy-to-his-readers/
Goyana_punch ago
Huxley also dropped hard on his death bed and passed on tripping face in what was probably the most hardcore act in human history
BushChuck ago
LSD in an intravenous drip.
That's how I'm going out.
Niggertoes ago
I bet he is still regretting that.
Goyana_punch ago
underrated comment lol
475677 ago
Tripping at the mall would be the worst.
Metanoiac ago
Damn, I miss acid...
HbMcNutt ago
Dont. It was invented by cia to damage your DNA. Stat away from synthetics
watitdew ago
"Oh my, I seem to be in hell."
not_drunk ago
Feeling of being manipulated is very real and frustrating.
Time to destroy the lies.
watitdew ago
Yes it is not fun.