Really.. Its true I also feel this place has been swamped by well.. the swamp

Try https://poal.co

A bunch of people are going to come out of the woodwork now to make fun of me for shilling it and tell you how terrible it is over there.

Yes, just as reddit is completely full of idiotic extreme leftists, this site is full of idiotic extreme right wingers. Everyone here is auth right and you can tell by the discourse not of the highest average IQ either. Only reason I'm here is because I wanted absolutely no limit of free speech. While technically I can say whatever I want, there is no one worth saying it to.

People are trying to shock as much as they can. Thats what living in a censored world does with you.

It makes you process thoughts like a child.

Its the same with political streams. Peoples opinions. And yes also discussions and ideas are decreasing in intelligence level rapidly. You could also say that they radicalize.

And people only want to feel free to say nigger. But for the rest they dont know what to do with freedom. Since freedom has been made into a thing where nazis and wrongthink people reside.

The problem you state is really a problem of decreasing intelligence. People just simply dont knoe what to do eith it so they shout... You niggerfaggot. Haha.

It was fine til the Qoomers took over now everyone wants to play the long game yo freedom. Faggotry

Voat stopped being fun the day Putt called Crensch & Srayzie "builders".

Qtards happened

Lol, I dont have to brag about being smarter than you because you make these petty little comments and show everyone, yourself, what a little turd you are. Lol

Yeah I've been here for a very long time, and I can confirm your assertion.

This is not the same voat, not by a long shot.

Dude, I was here when there was only ONE user who posted hate about Jewish people, Amalek. We all became found of him like you do your crazy Uncle who fought in 'Nam. The shit he would post was off the wall nutter. No one took what he said seriously. But now, every other damn post is like that. And there is an entire group of subhuman scum users who take it seriously. It's baffling and really has just tanked the entire platform. I can't take anything serious on here anymore.

I’ve noticed a lot of this kind if behaviour comes from the Qtards. They still have that Reddit mentality.

dude! the number one jew tactic is to muddy the waters and never discuss the topic! i have been fighting this forever on here. i accidently discovered a way to identify them really early on in an argument.

shitty spelling and grammer. yes i spell grammer wrong on purpose.. the grammerkike who is new will always point out shitty spelling and grammar then say your point is invalid because you cant even spell. well the true goat or normal non jew non shill human will say something like this. fuck you nigger dogleg you spell like shit you must be retarded. but point A i disagree with because of 1 2 and 3 and point B is a fair point but point C is totaly wrong. the non human jew or paid shill will just go strait to personal attacks almost everytime.

its not perfect and i turn off some good normal humans but overall it works really well.

its more jews and shills on here thats the reason it seems worse.

You've had an account for 10 fucking months. Find me someone with an account over 2 years and I might care about your opinion.

Signal to noise I think.

There are still quite a few quality individuals on this site but they don't squawk as loudly as the idiots or the shills.

As far as the quality of conversation goes, i'm fairly sure we all know the world is like a Boeing 737 max going nose down. We look outside our little windows and see the world completely 90 degrees to what it should be. Maybe we need to remember and discuss some of the things that give us hope, or re-awaken our desires to do something and make our small and interconnected worlds a better place.

As others have said, the real quality conversations that we are not having, are in our own real lives.

Almost as though people have finally started to realize that no one’s going to fight back and that the whole point of this site is to let off white steam in the face of our own genocide or something. Oh, and it’s flooded with paid shills who can’t comprehend the objectivity of truth. How about that.

Voat's gone. It's been invaded to the max. Every post is jew filled now and people defending the wrong idea's that founded voat.

nice kike post

Well, the benefit of that is it helps you pick out the redditfags and soros-agents from actual goats, doesn't it?

The part that bothers me the most, and has been true all over the internet not just here, is people actually vie for internet points. Like they give a shit about whatever handle they're using.

Why not just chat with people for fucks sake.

"Q" is dog shit.

https://voat.co/v/funny/3563857

I was disappointed to see a lot of people agree with this. It's proof of your whole point about no effort arguments.

Moral compass shill. Engage in the fight or get out!

WWG1WGA!

Ok niggerfaggot

The only cure is to make good content and commentary and engage in good-faith conversation. Don't resort to name-calling, don't weaponize downvoting because your little ego got bruised, find common ground where you agree, state your cases where you disagree, and continue to engage on other topics as time goes on. Reward thoughtful content with upvotes and engagement and deny oxygen to trolls, low-effort shitposters, and just plain lazy asses.

And yes, I'm talking to you "it's da joos" posters. "It's da joos", "ur a joo", "das a joo". I know it's da joos, our conversation has to be about how we fight, what we do to help each other, how we build our communities, how we share information to help our people thrive. Low-effort "it's da joos" posting is toxic (lol) defeatism. If you're not talking about how to win, you're encouraging accepting defeat, you are betraying and failing your family and your community and you are no brother of mine.

It's because voat is much easier to manipulate than reddit. There's less here, so [they] take full advantage of it and try to dilute the cores what make this site unique and informative as much as possible. Just watch as someone swoops in and tries to throw an ad hom in as to why you shouldn't listen to what I've written.

"a term of endearment" hahahaha..I've been here for a few years.

No. Just fucking no. Shut the fuck up you piece of shit jew nigger. Stop trying to romanticize this place with

bullshit nostalgia. This is an open forum site, where actual conversations can take place.

When that goes so will those who seek out truth (which only happens in an open environment) .

What this kind of post does is try and set labels to what every other pile of shit message board system turns into.

You want to sit around with like minded retards ? Go to one of the many other sites already active in circle jerking.

A lot of use have also gone silent since the site has turned into a hivemind.

It happened with every site though, newer people arrive and they think the old jokes are serious and not jokes. Now they think the first person to call someone a shill kike niggerfaggot wins. You don't have winners in a conversation.

My theory is that when the canary popped, a lot of the intellectuals who lived in other nations had to leave voat (because denying the holocaust is a crime over in their countries). It was too risky for them to stay. Now you just have americans left, and so, obviously, the intellectual level has declined.

NO U!

Yeah, it declined about a year ago with all the q fags and Pizzagate bullshit.

No only that but faggots downvote almost all my posts that aren't just about jews or politics.

This.

And often I feel like I'm in a honey pot, full of shills trying to get me angry and to blindly hate anyone that's not white.

Because it's WAR! Get over it and change your tactics, or get out.

when i insult someone instead of giving a counter argument it's because i'd otherwise ignore them, and i want to see if they can reroute to ask a proper question.

sometimes i do it because something they said was so stupid that i don't even know where to begin, and that either means they're too stupid (so I shouldn't address them) or i think they're trying to push some other narrative that would take so much effort to tear down that i'd rather not interrupt my enemy while they're making a mistake so i'll just call them a faggot because it makes me feel better to beat up on a dumbass for being a dumbass

Shut your fucking mouth faggot.

Used to be two gentlemen could argue, discuss and exchange ideas.

Yep. This is a new account and I am being multi-account downvote brigaded by a couple of users whose fee fees I hurt. Yes, I get the part about making it difficult for shills to make new accounts, but the system is being abused by the very people who are meant to be kept out. An established user can haunt new ones and discourage them until they simply quit. Go to /pol/ and bring up VOAT and the most common reply you will get is about this exact thing. Yes, it is a private site and Putt (or whoever is running this place these days) can make whatever rules they like. That being said, my opinion is that the downvote option is the #1 tool of shills/trolls, instead of it being a tool to keep them at bay.

https://magaimg.net/img/a28l.png

Its because of pent up frustration and anger

This world needs to burn, and a new one needs to replace it

Civil discourse is for civil society

There is no civil society anymore

Its time to prepare for the murdermake

I agree with you. Ad hominem attacks are worse than ever, people react based on their general feeling about the schema of any idea you pose, without considering the idea itself. People are employing a simple, dichotomous heuristic to separate their reactions to the material as bad/good. If good, "you go, fuck fags", if bad, "go back to Reddit, fuck you bitch".

Voat has always been hostile to blue pills. You're misrepresenting the past.

blindly hate anyone that's not white.

Imagine being so cucked that you can actually stomach the thought of the fecal-hued living in the homelands and ancient territories that our ancestors cultivated for us.

We are allowed to exist because this is a containment site, just like gab, vnn, storefront, etc.

No it hasn't faggot. it's been a shit pile for years.

Honestly a lot of this is just how people are. Sure there's a bunch of bad actors, but still. Any platform in the internet ends up like that eventually.

I just stop discussing anyone that obviously doesn't want discourse - but that's shutting down any possible dialog (on the flip side I just don't have hours to spent with someone that just spew insults and attacks with zero rethoric). Don't know what the solution is without clean sing the populace or shutting down the internet lol

Found the one of the edgelord kids.

Anyone else remember the buttplug orgy guy? He was my canary. When he left, I knew ridiculous 'fun' had left Voat.

Join my Hebrew brothers in sta ding up against such hate speech.

What you refer to is the bozo explosion, coined by the late Steve Jobs. He (Jobs) noted early on how A players only wanted to be around people who made them better. When management let in B players, they would hire C players, and so on which lead to the Bozo explosion.

I have run into many trolls here, but I just ignore them. There are tons of great A-players here and if you don't feed the trolls you can keep things going a little longer. Just protect yourselves. Note that all these sites, including 4chan etc are compromised with psy-ops and 5th columnists. Create groups in real life where you can talk face-to-face about the great stuff you learned here.

New sites will keep popping up, they're out there. Look for them.

poo poo pooo

You have teams of JIDF, CIA, and FBI, among others coming here and trying to do this on purpose. It's intentional. It stops talking, it stops thinking, it stops discourse.

They will fake a discussion, you will put thought and effort into it, then they will call you a faggot shill kike scum, and you just wasted an hour doing research, checking facts, and thinking to flesh out an idea. Yes, you still have the knowledge gained, but it didn't get expanded, which is what they want.

And next time you get into that type of discussion, rather than expanding on the topic again, you'll just say, "Yeah, I agree" and move on. Less thinking = WIN for JIDF. They want you to stop thinking.

one guy responded to a comment of mine that made me feel like a right idiot. he was supporting what i was saying but he displayed his advanced degree in economics/finance and geopolitical shenanigans. i spent two days researching all of the main topics he threw out there. by the end of my research my head hurt, and i still could not begin to reply with anything other than "what you said" or "i am going to take your word for it." so i kept my mouth shut.

i come here for the news and voat's take on current events. i come here for the humor and the freedom to associate with minds more like mine. it is validation of sorts. i can always tell, though, when an old goat makes the rare comment. you can just tell.

to borrow from the mainstream, "be the change you want to see." but posting crap about how dumb this place is ain't the way to go.

Kill all niggers

You're contributing to it with posts like this in my opinion

And often I feel like I'm in a honey pot, full of shills trying to get me angry and to blindly hate anyone that's not white.

Pretty sure this website IS a honey pot, but at least we have free speech.

shills trying to get you angry, you would be angry if you knew what was going on in this world.

blindly hate anyone that's not white..

AUHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH, everyone that's not white hates you, envies you, and want your children dead.

that's like 40-60 iq, people with 40-60 iq know that, i'm surprised you don't.

You don't have to hate them back, but they all hate you - and wont hesitate to genocide us.

Too many Reddit liberal globalist infiltrating

Popularity always does this. Expanding userbase means expanding ideas. Not that it's a good thing...

Hey faggot, we do this because we recognize that rational thought is a waste or breath when directed at an irrational person. This was a waste of a post you dumb kike.

I'm not sure I agree. I have good thoughtful conversations on Voat all the time, despite the faggots who want to ruin the place. I feel like it is just one of the prices we have to pay for free speech.

I also enjoy insulting idiots sometimes, for no productive reason whatsoever. I've always been told that I'm part of the problem, so I guess it shouldn't be too surprising...

Don't hate people for not being white, because that is stupid. The important part is to not hate yourself for being white, and to realize that whether you like it or not, you are part of something bigger than yourself. Your entire Race and History is being destroyed. Some anger isn't wrong, but don't let it be your driving force or blind you.

We are not the hateful side, they are. We actually care about eachother and our neighbors and more, and they are using that to destroy what our forefathers built for us. There isn't any reason we can't live peacefully on this Earth, and I only want to defend my people and way of life. I have zero interest in Africa or China or anybody else's problems.

Space is fake and gay

I agree. I can't delete my account so I just delete all my comments every once and awhile and go somewhere else. Then I make it back here to see how things are going. I will say that things were worse here after the Q people came over, but they seem to have either left or settled a bit.

Whatever.

The quality of conversation has declined

Member for 10 months

Fuck you faggot!

Now pay me more shekels! Oh vey!

Heil israel!

Ive been here for a few years and the quality of conversation was never really good

yep, I still come here out of habit but less and less.

The ability to argue in good-faith has always been held by a small proportion of people. In the beginning of forums like this, only the most concerned about free-expression migrate to places where it can be had, so you get a larger proportion of people who can, and will, argue in good-faith. Of course, as the forum grows, more normies join and the quality of the conversation returns to the average.

I've seen this a number of times on many different forums over the years. We need a term to describe it. 'The Normie Principle' maybe?

The quality of forum posts, arguments, and conversations degrades when a greater proportion of normies enter into a forum.

• The Normie Principle

10 month old account claims it’s been here since FPH ban and complaining about shills and downvoats.

Is all this “rough talk” talk rubbing you the wrong way?

When 80% or more of the accounts here are just alts of other folks here who are all part of a small clique, well... of course the website's conversation declines. There's only a handful of people making traffic. It feels so faux that nobody apart from them partakes.

All I want is Reddit with free speech, I don't really give a shit if someone posts a cute picture of a cat, I'm a niggerfaggot enough to admit that I enjoy that garbage from time to time. I will agree though that the conversation devolving into "you're just a kike" is a little tiring, also agree with the honey pot criticism. I think people should be allowed to be hate whatever they want to hate and say whatever they want to say, but seriously there's alot of bait it seems on here.

I'm still stoked about coat in general though, I feel like a place like this is giving the younger generations who aren't growing up without a VERY, VERY, VERY CURATED AND NARRATED DISCUSSION, a real picture of what the internet used to be like and what free speech used to be like... Voat is like the Alamo of Western Civilization

I could swear I made this exact same post yesterday hmmmmmmm.

Instead of presenting an argument, people just insult you.

Do you have any specific examples or are you just bitching on the internet?

What was your username before? Because I've been here since fatpeoplehate, but I've kept the same account and same username.

It all depends on effort. If people choose not to put effort into their thoughts, they will not put effort into their comments.

Cool whine, thanks.

I disagree. There are lots of great people here to have discussions with. Also, the problem of social decline tends to always start with the complainers... Now how about making a thread with a good question so that we can discus it?

The whole Internet is a honey pot.

My original account was registered a few hours after puttitout. Since whoaverse days.

Discussion was always fairly degenerate level. No one wants to organize here, or even meet up with actual ideas.

Even less want a connection on a real level to participate within discussion.

Know what they will do? Urge violence, and manipulate. Look at how the protectvoat thing with the mods during the split was an attempt to divide the community. When it didn't work all work was focused on singling out the Q subs and isolation from the rest of voat.

Those of us that are old guard actually have connected on a level.

OP is right. I would rather have a back and forth discussion with someone I disagree with than get up votes. Growth comes from challenging your own opinion while being exposed to new ones. The Left wants to shutdown open discussion because they know it will have one sole result: the red pilling of the nation. If you disagree with someone on voat, tell them why. You may find out that you have the erroneous opinion, not them. It's a chance for you to grow, so don't shy away from it.

The conditioning is almost complete

Used to be two gentlemen could argue, discuss and exchange ideas. You could agree to disagree, but it was like a civilized public forum.

What voat did you log into? Sure, there were some discussions and exchanges but your memory is a little rosey as far as the insults and arguments.

It may be that it was fewer disagreements then because there were fewer people. It may be that the Qtards have landed and brought with them a mass of idiots. It may be reddit cunts drifting in.

Voat wasn't some pure and pristine website a few years ago. It was better before the Qtards but it wasn't like what you're trying to portray it as.

Challenge and educate. No one said this job is easy.

Eh... it's always been a bit like that. Any time I seriously run against the flow of a thread it tends to happen.

It's the same kind of answers I expect a feminist to give me

I've made this observation as well. They behave more like.NPCs

I literally just posted a comment on another thread saying something very similar. This is very true and needs to be said. Too much screeching without facts, discussion, and sources.

As long as we tolerate the world reserve fiat global enslavement system, everything that can be corrupted will be corrupted.

Spot communist shills by their lack of argument. Communists don't have points or principles, only pretenses meant to enable their crimes.

Watch for logical fallacies, and be armed!

You're not wrong. Still, there aren't many places to go to talk to people that see the truth. I quit when the Srazie nonsense was in full steam, but came back when registrations re-opened - hoping that things have calmed down a bit.

• Qtards
• Facebook-tier normies phoneposting (but i repeat myself)
• Site itself is likely compromised
• Zero admin activity for months (putt's last announcement was 4 months ago; his last comment 3)
• Site being funded by mysterious, benevolent benefactor
• PIA giveaway
• PIA bought by jews shortly thereafter
• Various scumbags run rampant, posting links to known IP-harvesters like chatango

Honestly, the quality of discussion is the least of our worries.

You've noticed the increased niggerfaggotry. Buzz words and insults are methods employed by shill bots to sow discord and confusion. Disregard them, they are the equivalent of purple haired cunts screaming at the sky.

We're still here, the adults, but we've attracted the edge lord kids that don't know how to utilize this resource.

You're a fag shill!

You're noticing the beginnings of Reddit v/2.0. If you keep tabs on r/TheDonald at all you will have noticed that you've seen more and more "Voat stuff" showing up there. We are, in fact, becoming more mainstream.

But there are problems with that...

It's no different than what I first recognized on Reddit, several years ago. I'd find a sub that wasn't very large, but was quite interesting. Give it a few years and it got bigger until it reached a critical point where it was "popular". That's when it always went to shit.

I think it's all "average IQ" related. I think really smart people are the "explorers" of the internet. That means they're also the "founders" of new places. Because these new places are being operated by the smartest people, they're also "cutting edge" and attractive, BUT...that's always a double edged sword, because it attracts the dreaded "normies"

And what are the normies, but people with literally "normal" IQs...average people. Not inherently evil, but disastrous in large numbers.

So...Voat staked a claim in the wilderness of the internet and created a wonderful place...a bright light in the relative darkness of normie land. But the bright light attracted flies (intelligence agencies) and, frankly, the normal people. And those people, sadly, not only can't hold an intelligent conversation/debate with the likes of you and me...they also, unknowingly, won't allow for it either. They can't understand what we're talking about, so, naturally, they're fearful of it.

It would be one thing if they couldn't talk to us, so they just didn't, and let us talk among ourselves and observed, but they don't. The average IQ people use the power of the downvote and "the insult" to create they're own rules of conformity because that's how they perceive the world and their status in it.

It doesn't help that the Mossads and CIAs of the world are here too, but that's almost secondary to the even more basic reality of "the normie". And I'm not trying to be in despair about this. I'm sure there's a solution, but in order to think of a solution, it helps to accurately identify the problem in the first place.

On the note of a solution though...I think one possible solution might be to "take Voat off the internet" and take our ideas to people in the real world...like...actually talk to people in the real world. Start groups and clubs etc. that meet once a week or month or whatever. People act VERY different face to face vs. on the internet. A lot of the "normie rules" I mentioned above simply don't apply when everyone's in person.

ok boomer

Weird how more waves hit, the more diluted this place got...

It's almost like feds always ruin these places.

Go to high quality Reddit then...

Fucking nigger faggots.

FUCK NIGGERS, SPICS, JEWS, AND CHINKS.

Now in gentlemen fashion explain why having them all in my country should not warrant them death?

You're not wrong asshole.

It all started when Qoomers came.

Been talking with the qtards lately? That's a guaranteed dead end.

often I feel like I'm in a honey pot

/thread

there is nothing blind about hating niggers, spics, anything LBQBT plus Govt workers