I am not, I am expressing my views on the matter. I owe that to a Voat user that is concerned about the whole deal. Whether he believes in v/ProtectVoat or not, it is besides the point. He deserves an answer.
Funny how kev calls me a concern troll over people literally doxing people ain't it? I didn't agree with it when zyklon/gg did it. I didn't agree with it when the other side did it and I told them so even though it was in response to the trolls doing it. I don't agree with it now that slime has done it and is threatening to do it to yet more people. Where do you think this sort of shit ends once it becomes acceptable? The question you should be asking yourself is why kev finds some people being doxed acceptable but not others. My position has remained unchanged. His hasn't. Funny how noone said shit to slime when he did the full doxing and then threatened to dox more people. All of it was done in v/ProtectVoat. Putt himself had to remove the information. He should have banned slime right then but he didn't even though he banned Katharzso and someone's alt for reposting it.
Why do you think I and others left v/ProtectVoat in the first place? Kev is a fucking hypocrite who sits back and pulls people's strings to get what he wants. He's doing it to you right now. ProtectVoat's mission is to slay powermods. Problem is that it's run by one.
And damned right I'm concerned. People come to Voat to say unpopular things with the expectation that they can freely do so without having their identity linked to what they say here. Hell even being associated with this site is enough to cost people their jobs. You don't think leftist faggots would use dox information to try and destroy someone's life? They do it every day. Think Voat will still be a platform if this sort of thing is normalized? It won't. You want to protect Voat? Maybe you should start focusing your attention on the cancerous users that are an actual threat to it.
Apologies for the rant and I appreciate the condolences. I got a lot of shit going on irl and this nonsense needs to stop.
Apologies for the rant and I appreciate the condolences.
No apologies needed. I honestly think you have valuable insight on all this matter. The only thing that I can tell you is this: The only one that moves my strings is the Lord. And no man will control the way I think or handle myself why? Because we are all facing the war between the flesh and the spirit. And no one will be able to use my faith to manipulate me either because that would turn them in false prophets and use the Word at their own convenience.
Please don't misunderstand what I say here. I am not trying to paint myself as someone of a higher moral. But I say this because my faith is really important to me. I don't agree with what u/thewebofslime does. Let that be clear. You shouldn't share information of people here, even if it is on public records on Voat without that user's authorization because it has real repercussions IRL.
I however can't stand with u/Crensch for what he has done and the way he has conducted himself. Time will tell if my decision was correct. But my interest as yours is, is to stop this nonsense, reach consensus and work for a better Voat. We can't do this with so much polarization. However we can't reach it either if no party finds a way to yield and have dialogue.
Let this be clear also, I don't consider your position a concern troll. You have valid points and I do hear them. But we can't work to move forward and protect voat if we are focused on fighting each other.
Why do you think I and others left v/ProtectVoat in the first place?
You are not the only one that has told me that u/kevdude is a manipulator. Heck, I am not blind. I know things move around me that at this moment I am not focused on. But v/ProtectVoat needs to stand. And maybe you are right, maybe we will be able to move forward if u/kevdude is no longer a moderator/owner of the sub. But that needs to be dealt within v/ProtectVoat and discussed by us and it's subscribers. Much as I think the subs run by u/Crensch will eventually have to decide whether they want to keep him or not. Much like v/GreatAwakening did, despite his power moderation, they are happy to be lead by a power mod. So that is it. Even if I am critical of it, it is their choice and I respect their choice.
In the little time that I spent on the preview chat, I honestly liked the empowerment that the new feature will give to users. And I think that we will discuss further more once it is up and running so things can change and we can have a more open door policy about how we run our sub. But this internal fight happening right now, motivated out of pride and personal vendettas is what is hurting Voat right now. You know this to be true. This is why I decided to reach an agreement to u/virge. I am not interested in pursuing further conflict with him even If we see things differently. I am interested in stopping the conflicts to reach dialogue.
This will need to be something that each individual right now involved in all this drama needs to see or find a way to see it.
And damned right I'm concerned. People come to Voat to say unpopular things with the expectation that they can freely do so without having their identity linked to what they say here. Hell even being associated with this site is enough to cost people their jobs. You don't think leftist faggots would use dox information to try and destroy someone's life? They do it every day. Think Voat will still be a platform if this sort of thing is normalized? It won't. You want to protect Voat? Maybe you should start focusing your attention on the cancerous users that are an actual threat to it.
You have a valid concern and I appreciate you sharing it. I share it with you. But we can't work on it without working on the issues that polarize us first. Again, I may be naive for some, but I know that several don't share my faith yet we find common ground to work together. So I am asking for that.
I never consider you anything else. I hold no ill against you or anyone. Even u/Crensch. With him I am disappointed and seeing how he has corrupted his ways I don't trust his motivations because they are pushed by his personal vendetta.
I got a lot of shit going on irl and this nonsense needs to stop.
Do as I did, u/SandHog, when I had my wife ill, take your time. Don't let you being here at Voat take strength out of you to deal with what you need to deal with IRL. And believe me I send my best wishes to you and will pray for you and that everything goes well.
But as stated before, all a man has is his word. I give you my word that I will defend the rights of the users and that I will not become a powermod myself. So you can rest assured that my commitment with Voat is real. Obviously is up to you if you believe me or not.
Take care man, may God take care of you and yours.
I'm really not interested in fighting with anyone but I will call out bullshit when I see it. I saw the whole drama unfold from the ground floor and what was done was extremely wrong on a lot of different levels. It's also cracked the door open on doxing to where some people got banned for it and others haven't. I do not know why Putt has been inconsistent on this but it's very bad for Voat and every user on here. That is my primary concern. Maybe some people are cool with Voat devolving into something like Kiwi Farms over time but I'm not one of them. All the rest of that stuff will eventually sort itself out over time one way or another. This doxing has to stop though or Voat is going to be a ghost town. Thanks for the kind words. Hope you have a good night.
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sguevar ago
I am not, I am expressing my views on the matter. I owe that to a Voat user that is concerned about the whole deal. Whether he believes in v/ProtectVoat or not, it is besides the point. He deserves an answer.
SandHog ago
Funny how kev calls me a concern troll over people literally doxing people ain't it? I didn't agree with it when zyklon/gg did it. I didn't agree with it when the other side did it and I told them so even though it was in response to the trolls doing it. I don't agree with it now that slime has done it and is threatening to do it to yet more people. Where do you think this sort of shit ends once it becomes acceptable? The question you should be asking yourself is why kev finds some people being doxed acceptable but not others. My position has remained unchanged. His hasn't. Funny how noone said shit to slime when he did the full doxing and then threatened to dox more people. All of it was done in v/ProtectVoat. Putt himself had to remove the information. He should have banned slime right then but he didn't even though he banned Katharzso and someone's alt for reposting it.
Why do you think I and others left v/ProtectVoat in the first place? Kev is a fucking hypocrite who sits back and pulls people's strings to get what he wants. He's doing it to you right now. ProtectVoat's mission is to slay powermods. Problem is that it's run by one.
And damned right I'm concerned. People come to Voat to say unpopular things with the expectation that they can freely do so without having their identity linked to what they say here. Hell even being associated with this site is enough to cost people their jobs. You don't think leftist faggots would use dox information to try and destroy someone's life? They do it every day. Think Voat will still be a platform if this sort of thing is normalized? It won't. You want to protect Voat? Maybe you should start focusing your attention on the cancerous users that are an actual threat to it.
Apologies for the rant and I appreciate the condolences. I got a lot of shit going on irl and this nonsense needs to stop.
sguevar ago
No apologies needed. I honestly think you have valuable insight on all this matter. The only thing that I can tell you is this: The only one that moves my strings is the Lord. And no man will control the way I think or handle myself why? Because we are all facing the war between the flesh and the spirit. And no one will be able to use my faith to manipulate me either because that would turn them in false prophets and use the Word at their own convenience.
Please don't misunderstand what I say here. I am not trying to paint myself as someone of a higher moral. But I say this because my faith is really important to me. I don't agree with what u/thewebofslime does. Let that be clear. You shouldn't share information of people here, even if it is on public records on Voat without that user's authorization because it has real repercussions IRL.
I however can't stand with u/Crensch for what he has done and the way he has conducted himself. Time will tell if my decision was correct. But my interest as yours is, is to stop this nonsense, reach consensus and work for a better Voat. We can't do this with so much polarization. However we can't reach it either if no party finds a way to yield and have dialogue.
Let this be clear also, I don't consider your position a concern troll. You have valid points and I do hear them. But we can't work to move forward and protect voat if we are focused on fighting each other.
You are not the only one that has told me that u/kevdude is a manipulator. Heck, I am not blind. I know things move around me that at this moment I am not focused on. But v/ProtectVoat needs to stand. And maybe you are right, maybe we will be able to move forward if u/kevdude is no longer a moderator/owner of the sub. But that needs to be dealt within v/ProtectVoat and discussed by us and it's subscribers. Much as I think the subs run by u/Crensch will eventually have to decide whether they want to keep him or not. Much like v/GreatAwakening did, despite his power moderation, they are happy to be lead by a power mod. So that is it. Even if I am critical of it, it is their choice and I respect their choice.
In the little time that I spent on the preview chat, I honestly liked the empowerment that the new feature will give to users. And I think that we will discuss further more once it is up and running so things can change and we can have a more open door policy about how we run our sub. But this internal fight happening right now, motivated out of pride and personal vendettas is what is hurting Voat right now. You know this to be true. This is why I decided to reach an agreement to u/virge. I am not interested in pursuing further conflict with him even If we see things differently. I am interested in stopping the conflicts to reach dialogue.
This will need to be something that each individual right now involved in all this drama needs to see or find a way to see it.
You have a valid concern and I appreciate you sharing it. I share it with you. But we can't work on it without working on the issues that polarize us first. Again, I may be naive for some, but I know that several don't share my faith yet we find common ground to work together. So I am asking for that.
I never consider you anything else. I hold no ill against you or anyone. Even u/Crensch. With him I am disappointed and seeing how he has corrupted his ways I don't trust his motivations because they are pushed by his personal vendetta.
Do as I did, u/SandHog, when I had my wife ill, take your time. Don't let you being here at Voat take strength out of you to deal with what you need to deal with IRL. And believe me I send my best wishes to you and will pray for you and that everything goes well.
But as stated before, all a man has is his word. I give you my word that I will defend the rights of the users and that I will not become a powermod myself. So you can rest assured that my commitment with Voat is real. Obviously is up to you if you believe me or not.
Take care man, may God take care of you and yours.
SandHog ago
I'm really not interested in fighting with anyone but I will call out bullshit when I see it. I saw the whole drama unfold from the ground floor and what was done was extremely wrong on a lot of different levels. It's also cracked the door open on doxing to where some people got banned for it and others haven't. I do not know why Putt has been inconsistent on this but it's very bad for Voat and every user on here. That is my primary concern. Maybe some people are cool with Voat devolving into something like Kiwi Farms over time but I'm not one of them. All the rest of that stuff will eventually sort itself out over time one way or another. This doxing has to stop though or Voat is going to be a ghost town. Thanks for the kind words. Hope you have a good night.
sguevar ago
I respect that.
I think it has to do with the major efforts he is doing to deliver the update. That at least is my opinion.
Neither am I.
Agreed.
No problem, likewise! Take care man, serious!