Dogsoldiertoo ago

Good summary. This has been a burr under my saddle for many years. I'm a 67 year old combat vet and I formerly worked for the sheriff's dept in my county as a deputy for several years. You are correct that a sheriff, because he is elected, is given the "power of arrest" by consent of the citizens. Constitutionally the sheriff position is the most powerful position in every county. A sheriff can, and many have, ordered federal law enforcement out of his county under threat of jail. This has included the FBI, ATF, USMS and the IRS. The only authority over a sheriff, besides the voters, is the governor and even he has hoops to jump through before he can fire a sheriff.

I'm fine with all of that, my beef comes with municpal police. Only incorporated cities have police departments. Unincorporated towns fall under the the sheriff's dept. So basically police work for a corporation. The police chief is politically appointed, not elected by the voters. Therefore the voters/citizens have no control over the police department.

My question has always been - Where do police get their power of arrest? It certainly isn't from the people. I have asked this question many times of people who should know, or you would think they should know. I've asked mayors, lawyers and even one police chief. I've gotten about as many different answers as the number of people I've asked. An American History professor I once asked just kind of smiled and said, "That's a question asked by many." Not much of an answer.

alele-opathic ago

My question has always been - Where do police get their power of arrest? It certainly isn't from the people. I have asked this question many times of people who should know, or you would think they should know.

I've never though to ask this before, but the question is enthralling. I have a 'hunch' on what I believe the answer will be, but I need to dig a bit deeper - I'll be back within the week with a summary of what I could dig up.

Dogsoldiertoo ago

Good deal! I'll be watching.

alele-opathic ago

A note on the state’s Monopoly on Violence:

The state has a Monopoly on Violence.

(((They've))) constructed it this way on purpose. If you have the ability to use violence against the state, their first priority will be to remove that ability. If they can't, their second priority will be to brutalize and demoralize you from ever using violence against the state.

We in the US fall into the second category, and our brutalization is called (((Shock and Awe))). Our officers[are trained on brutal violence literally from consultants from Israel (tons of possible cites for this, e.g. this one), the only other country that uses (((Shock and Awe))) against it's citizens.

This idea of asymmetric violence, where the government may use it on it’s citizens, but not reversed, dates back to 1919 and was invented by the Polish/Russian Jew (((Max Weber))). This is an important date for researching this topic, as it marks the date that (((they))) first began focusing on consolidating our right to violence in the state. Please see my other info comment for more on how their primary power (the power of arrest) is actually a corrupted version of the power of arrest that every American has.

alele-opathic ago

A note on 'Citizen's arrest':

There is no such thing as a Citizen's arrest. When police arrest you, they are exercising their powers as Citizens (not as police, as is commonly assumed) to place you under arrest. The very words "Citizen's arrest" convey an image 180 degrees opposed to the truth (see this note for more on the 180 degree rule).

The police/related forces are privileged in other areas though; arrests made by Citizens wearing police uniforms while on duty net them qualified immunity, which yields complete immunity from any results of their actions for any reason. A citizen, under the same circumstances, would be personally liable for e.g. false imprisonment/kidnapping if the arrest was later judged to be wrongful, wrongful death if the arrestee dies in his custody, etc.

That said, the same rules apply to both citizens and police (because the police are just using your powers of arrest, from earlier): Felonies require only probable cause, while misdemeanor offenses add an additional 'presence test', which means, in short, that you must have witnessed the Misdemeneanor as it occurred. Here is a list of citizen's arrest laws by state.

There is an ongoing war on the very concept of citizen's arrest, as it threatens the state's Monopoly on Violence. Please see my other info comment for more.

Check out this kike Paul Bergman on Citizens arrests:

Using Force? Think Twice

Private citizens roll the dice by trying to arrest others. Not only can they expose themselves to grave danger that only police officers are appropriately trained for—they also may be subject to civil liability and criminal prosecution. The legal ramifications are heightened when private citizens use deadly force to make arrests. Courts are rightly fearful that any encouragement of this kind of behavior will lead to armed vigilantes roaming the streets. That's why a private citizen’s use of deadly force in making an arrest isn’t justified unless that force was necessary to protect him or herself or others from extreme harm.

Almost always, the best course of action is to get the police involved. Private citizens should turn their information over to the cops rather than personally make arrests.