Here's my secret. Whenever I meet a woman, my immediate thought and approach is always "what can you do for me?" Everything I do, everything I say is then in pursuit of that. I want coffee, will she buy me coffee? I'd like a new shirt, will she go with me to the mall and buy me a shirt I pick out? I find being blunt helps a lot.
Do that long enough and you weed out the leeches. The ones that are left either become weirdly attracted to you (but you keep them friend-zoned), stop asking you for shit because they understand the nature of the dynamic and know they can't get one over on you but will keep buying you stuff in exchange for words of wisdom, or eventually develop into a relationship that's give and take on your terms.
People using each other, leeching off each other, playing demented mind games. Why would you associate with a female who could be manipulated in this way? Why would you associate with a female you have no respect for? There are plenty of girls with their own money. Why not find one you have things in common with and enjoy the company of, rather than this weird nonsense?
Thank you for clarifying. I will do my best to return the same:
People using each other, leeching off each other, playing demented mind games.
Left to their own devices, women use, leech and play mind games. This is a general statement of course -- but the exceptions prove the rule. I personally have yet to meet an exception, but you can bet your ass that when I do, I will marry her.
I don't think what I do is considered a mind game -- I am merely aware of how women generally function and have taken preemptive steps to avoid being used, leeched off of or played with.
Mind games would be constantly deceiving a woman and making her feel valued when she isn't, telling her what she wants to hear to get something from her (be it sex, gifts or otherwise) or lying to her. I do none of these things -- again, you will see I very clearly stated in my OP that being straightforward and blunt is key to all this. So once again, I cannot see where you would get "parasitic" from. Women don't pay my rent or bills, I do.
Would you consider it parasitic if a woman expected me to buy her dinner? If not, why is it parasitic if I openly ask her to buy me dinner? Bear in mind, I have no expectations, and I certainly don't get pissy or huffy if I don't get my way.
A woman will rarely tell you what she truly wants when she wants something. She is a creature of emotion, not logic. This particular bit comes to mind.
Why would you associate with a female who could be manipulated in this way?
I wonder what I want, I confirm she has the means to obtain it, I ask for it. I do this openly, I don't lie about it. I won't tell her she looks pretty when she looks like shit, I won't agree that her boss is a jerk if he isn't, I won't tell her she's special to me if she isn't, I won't cry to get her to stay if she wants to leave, I won't compliment her to get in her pants.
If this is manipulation to you, I shudder to imagine what you think of the things most typical women do to get their way, or the men that routinely do the things I just listed.
Why would you associate with a female you have no respect for?
This is a Strawman, as I do not associate with females I have no respect for. In fact, I would argue that I have more respect for women on the whole because I do not believe in deceiving them the way other men prefer to.
Much in the same way women will view men, I also do not associate with females that have nothing to offer me -- I do not consider sex an adequate trade for my time, money or energy, and you know what? Neither will most women (when they're evaluating another man).
There are plenty of girls with their own money.
Yes, they're the ones I'm interested in. Less likely that they'll try to go after me for mine (although that's an unreliable assumption, as some girls get "their own money" by using other men).
Why not find one you have things in common with and enjoy the company of, rather than this weird nonsense?
I do, I don't understand why you're suggesting I'm not. I'm also a bit miffed by what you're referring to as "weird nonsense" -- if you presented what I wrote to just about any woman, if they're being honest they'll tell you they do the exact same thing to men, except they aren't open about it.
The women who do this shit are scum. They should be exiled and sterilized. Unfortunately, men are simpletons who function more from the pants than the head, and they continue to pander and fawn, and the circle of horseshit continues.
I blame men for the revolting behavior of women. You get what you tolerate.
Is it parasitic to buy dinner for a date... no, if you genuinely wish to do that, and aren't feeling forced to do it because otherwise you're considered a "cheap busted ass". When money gets involved, there are expectations. Everybody should pay for their own shit whenever possible. If one party is wealthier and comfortable doing so, sure, feel free to pay. But never because you are being shamed into it. What you are doing is what whores do - pressuring someone into spending on you. Asking for gifts? Fucking inappropriate. What does your date think she is to you? What is your goal in these relationships? What do you provide them in return? If the answer isn't something with a value akin to what you are taking? It's parasitic.
I'm disappointed. Don't stoop to the level of empty cunts and whores. You're a goat, goddamnit.
You spend time on this humanity-draining nonsense, you hurt yourself. You reduce yourself. Why would you spend ONE SECOND of your finite seconds engaged in this sort of game. Does it make you proud? Do you respect this?
It's weird nonsense because you know better. And rather than shunning superficial cunts, you would attempt to "beat them at their own game". Petty. Weird. Time sink.
You aren't getting to know these women, you're using them. It's base and superficial. It's time you could spend doing things that fulfill you, and enrich you, make your life richer.
I know females who do this shit, it's disgusting. It reduces them. Why would that not be the case when a male does it.
There's a raccoon on my face, be back later, damnit.
I don't know why you're making so many false accusations of me. I never pressure anyone into buying me anything, I just ask for it. Are you gonna tell me you've never asked for anything? How do you get anything at all? When someone asks you to get them something do you immediately snap back with "Fucking inappropriate"?
It seems no matter what I say you're dead set on painting me as a parasite. I get the holier-than-thou attitude, I really do, but jeez maybe you need to get laid or something.
I'll say it one more time -- I don't associate with cunts, whores (superficial or otherwise).
You're being a complete dick, accusing me of all kinds of crazy shit, like I'm not getting to know these women, that I'm pressuring them, trying to beat anyone at anyone else's game -- what else do you know about me? Time that I can spend doing things that fulfill and enrich me? What do you know of how I spend my time or what I do? How much time do you think I actually spend on anything? How enriched am I? Do you know that too?
I don't need your approval nor your permission to buy dinner or ask for it -- why would it matter who's wealthier anyway? I didn't know you were the one who set the standards for social interaction (based on sexist class assumptions no less). I'm not the one calling for the exile and sterilization of women by the way, nice going.
Knock it off with the strawmanning already, or you know, don't. I guess it makes you feel more comfortable to picture me lying and cheating all these helpless innocent dumb naive women so I can pay rent with the money they make waiting tables right?
I'm a degenerate. If I want something, I take it. There's no pretense of superiority here, Sir.
I don't set any standards but my own, same as everybody.
To try and make this about me is you deflecting from your own shame and discomfort. All I know about you
is what you've shared - I have no profile of you. What you shared makes you seem petty and weird. Certainly
this is only one aspect of you. And you do not need my permission! You're a goat! If you are truly
comfortable with this arrangement you've created, sally forth. Doesn't sound like you are, though.
I'm in a fairly even income relationship. Whoever pays whenever - often me. If I felt used, or resentful, anything remotely like that, I'd stop. Money is gauche. Talking about it is gauche. Asking for shit is tawdry and gauche. But again, why mention me? If I'm the worst sort of hypocrite, what would that mean for you, and your choices?
We are talking about you.
If it made me feel comfortable to imagine you engaging in parasitic whore games, this conversation would never have occurred. I prefer to picture goats as ....free. enlightened. Honest. Above this sort of shit.
If manipulative lying whores were sterilized, they wouldn't raise yet another generation of personality deficient leeches. There's no universe
where that would be a bad thing. In fact, if manipulative lying whores were sterilized, I suggest they may undergo changes and become less mercenary - We are mercenary due to evolutionary imperatives to provide for offspring. Remove that possibility, the person becomes free to live as themselves, for themselves. There's purity. :)
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Splooge ago
Here's my secret. Whenever I meet a woman, my immediate thought and approach is always "what can you do for me?" Everything I do, everything I say is then in pursuit of that. I want coffee, will she buy me coffee? I'd like a new shirt, will she go with me to the mall and buy me a shirt I pick out? I find being blunt helps a lot.
Do that long enough and you weed out the leeches. The ones that are left either become weirdly attracted to you (but you keep them friend-zoned), stop asking you for shit because they understand the nature of the dynamic and know they can't get one over on you but will keep buying you stuff in exchange for words of wisdom, or eventually develop into a relationship that's give and take on your terms.
Artofchoke ago
This is gross. We don't need to have parasitic relationships, and if that's the best you can hope for, why bother at all?
Splooge ago
Please tell me what you find parasitic about what I've described.
Artofchoke ago
People using each other, leeching off each other, playing demented mind games. Why would you associate with a female who could be manipulated in this way? Why would you associate with a female you have no respect for? There are plenty of girls with their own money. Why not find one you have things in common with and enjoy the company of, rather than this weird nonsense?
Splooge ago
Thank you for clarifying. I will do my best to return the same:
Left to their own devices, women use, leech and play mind games. This is a general statement of course -- but the exceptions prove the rule. I personally have yet to meet an exception, but you can bet your ass that when I do, I will marry her.
I don't think what I do is considered a mind game -- I am merely aware of how women generally function and have taken preemptive steps to avoid being used, leeched off of or played with.
Mind games would be constantly deceiving a woman and making her feel valued when she isn't, telling her what she wants to hear to get something from her (be it sex, gifts or otherwise) or lying to her. I do none of these things -- again, you will see I very clearly stated in my OP that being straightforward and blunt is key to all this. So once again, I cannot see where you would get "parasitic" from. Women don't pay my rent or bills, I do.
Would you consider it parasitic if a woman expected me to buy her dinner? If not, why is it parasitic if I openly ask her to buy me dinner? Bear in mind, I have no expectations, and I certainly don't get pissy or huffy if I don't get my way.
A woman will rarely tell you what she truly wants when she wants something. She is a creature of emotion, not logic. This particular bit comes to mind.
I wonder what I want, I confirm she has the means to obtain it, I ask for it. I do this openly, I don't lie about it. I won't tell her she looks pretty when she looks like shit, I won't agree that her boss is a jerk if he isn't, I won't tell her she's special to me if she isn't, I won't cry to get her to stay if she wants to leave, I won't compliment her to get in her pants.
If this is manipulation to you, I shudder to imagine what you think of the things most typical women do to get their way, or the men that routinely do the things I just listed.
This is a Strawman, as I do not associate with females I have no respect for. In fact, I would argue that I have more respect for women on the whole because I do not believe in deceiving them the way other men prefer to.
Much in the same way women will view men, I also do not associate with females that have nothing to offer me -- I do not consider sex an adequate trade for my time, money or energy, and you know what? Neither will most women (when they're evaluating another man).
Yes, they're the ones I'm interested in. Less likely that they'll try to go after me for mine (although that's an unreliable assumption, as some girls get "their own money" by using other men).
I do, I don't understand why you're suggesting I'm not. I'm also a bit miffed by what you're referring to as "weird nonsense" -- if you presented what I wrote to just about any woman, if they're being honest they'll tell you they do the exact same thing to men, except they aren't open about it.
Artofchoke ago
The women who do this shit are scum. They should be exiled and sterilized. Unfortunately, men are simpletons who function more from the pants than the head, and they continue to pander and fawn, and the circle of horseshit continues.
I blame men for the revolting behavior of women. You get what you tolerate.
Is it parasitic to buy dinner for a date... no, if you genuinely wish to do that, and aren't feeling forced to do it because otherwise you're considered a "cheap busted ass". When money gets involved, there are expectations. Everybody should pay for their own shit whenever possible. If one party is wealthier and comfortable doing so, sure, feel free to pay. But never because you are being shamed into it. What you are doing is what whores do - pressuring someone into spending on you. Asking for gifts? Fucking inappropriate. What does your date think she is to you? What is your goal in these relationships? What do you provide them in return? If the answer isn't something with a value akin to what you are taking? It's parasitic.
I'm disappointed. Don't stoop to the level of empty cunts and whores. You're a goat, goddamnit.
You spend time on this humanity-draining nonsense, you hurt yourself. You reduce yourself. Why would you spend ONE SECOND of your finite seconds engaged in this sort of game. Does it make you proud? Do you respect this?
It's weird nonsense because you know better. And rather than shunning superficial cunts, you would attempt to "beat them at their own game". Petty. Weird. Time sink.
You aren't getting to know these women, you're using them. It's base and superficial. It's time you could spend doing things that fulfill you, and enrich you, make your life richer.
I know females who do this shit, it's disgusting. It reduces them. Why would that not be the case when a male does it.
There's a raccoon on my face, be back later, damnit.
Splooge ago
I don't know why you're making so many false accusations of me. I never pressure anyone into buying me anything, I just ask for it. Are you gonna tell me you've never asked for anything? How do you get anything at all? When someone asks you to get them something do you immediately snap back with "Fucking inappropriate"?
It seems no matter what I say you're dead set on painting me as a parasite. I get the holier-than-thou attitude, I really do, but jeez maybe you need to get laid or something.
I'll say it one more time -- I don't associate with cunts, whores (superficial or otherwise).
You're being a complete dick, accusing me of all kinds of crazy shit, like I'm not getting to know these women, that I'm pressuring them, trying to beat anyone at anyone else's game -- what else do you know about me? Time that I can spend doing things that fulfill and enrich me? What do you know of how I spend my time or what I do? How much time do you think I actually spend on anything? How enriched am I? Do you know that too?
I don't need your approval nor your permission to buy dinner or ask for it -- why would it matter who's wealthier anyway? I didn't know you were the one who set the standards for social interaction (based on sexist class assumptions no less). I'm not the one calling for the exile and sterilization of women by the way, nice going.
Knock it off with the strawmanning already, or you know, don't. I guess it makes you feel more comfortable to picture me lying and cheating all these helpless innocent dumb naive women so I can pay rent with the money they make waiting tables right?
Artofchoke ago
I'm a degenerate. If I want something, I take it. There's no pretense of superiority here, Sir.
I don't set any standards but my own, same as everybody.
To try and make this about me is you deflecting from your own shame and discomfort. All I know about you is what you've shared - I have no profile of you. What you shared makes you seem petty and weird. Certainly this is only one aspect of you. And you do not need my permission! You're a goat! If you are truly comfortable with this arrangement you've created, sally forth. Doesn't sound like you are, though.
I'm in a fairly even income relationship. Whoever pays whenever - often me. If I felt used, or resentful, anything remotely like that, I'd stop. Money is gauche. Talking about it is gauche. Asking for shit is tawdry and gauche. But again, why mention me? If I'm the worst sort of hypocrite, what would that mean for you, and your choices?
We are talking about you.
If it made me feel comfortable to imagine you engaging in parasitic whore games, this conversation would never have occurred. I prefer to picture goats as ....free. enlightened. Honest. Above this sort of shit.
If manipulative lying whores were sterilized, they wouldn't raise yet another generation of personality deficient leeches. There's no universe where that would be a bad thing. In fact, if manipulative lying whores were sterilized, I suggest they may undergo changes and become less mercenary - We are mercenary due to evolutionary imperatives to provide for offspring. Remove that possibility, the person becomes free to live as themselves, for themselves. There's purity. :)