I notice that many of you have commented (because you can barely do anything else) asking why you don't have CCP (Comment Contribution Points). So I want to explain because I feel bad that this wasn't brought to your attention earlier.
Voat limits all new accounts for reasons of SPAM. To unlock your account you must earn CCP by commenting and having others upvote your contributions. It is orders more difficult for a botnet to unlock accounts with this requirement in place and is why we use this particular method.
For example: You need 10 CCP to make a submission or send a message. You need 100 CCP to unlock downvoat capabilities.
The reason you don't have any CCP is because the moderator(s) set a particular subverse property that prevents the earning of points in v/theawakening.
This subverse property is called: Minimum CCP required to downvote and when it is set to anything but zero three things happen (which are documented in the subverse settings. This information is also displayed in the sidebar so you can see what subverses have set what values):
- It prevents users who don't have at least X CCP in the subverse itself from downvoating content in that subverse.
- It prevents all submissions from showing up in v/all (basically making the subverse private).
- It prevents contribution points from accruing (This is an anti-farming measure).
No one has earned points in v/theawakening since this setting was set to 5.
I hope this helps you understand why.
Edit 5:
This post has been stickied again because people still have questions. This will be the last day of this sticky, I promise.
Edit 4:
Read #3 first. So here is my argument: They aren't super web savvy and reddit/voat layout is not that bad of a tool for what they are doing. They were directed to an image board. You all know that's a big jump coming from Reddit. The natural place is here. It's your call Voat always has been and always will be, but maybe we could learn a bit from them, and them us. Think about it.
Edit 3:
I'm just going to say that the back and forth I've had tonight with subscribers of v/theawakening have been the most pleasurable I've had on Voat. (Maybe I have low standards or you're just good people). I'm voting to keep them. Can we Voat? You owe me this one! ;)
Edit 2:
As @MAGAKAG2020Q mentions below and is important to note: This setting can not be instantly switched. It is on a time delay of 48 hours.
Edit:
More useful information here: https://voat.co/v/Voat/2722975
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4TheRepublic ago
But does it matter?
I meant to ask you @PuttItOut... Where do I get information about contributing to Voat?
PuttItOut ago
It does matter. We are both targeted by the same people. We are in this together, us and you. Sound familiar? Voat may not be your first choice, and you aren't Voat's, but we share similar values and that very much matters. At least to me.
Every good friendship I've had in life was usually preceeded by an earlier conflict. There is a bond that happens when two different parties fight then resolve it. The conflict strengthens the relationship, much like various forms of stress strengthen the body.
In my small mind it would be a great conclusion to this if our teams came together as a whole. We will see, but I'm hopeful.
4TheRepublic ago
Fair enough... Except for the "...and you aren't Voat's [first choice]..."
Maybe it's attributable to my little patch of property on The Spectrum, but I STILL can't get my head around this.
(1) How can ""Voat"" determine that a person isn't its first choice?
(2) If one is a registered member of Voat, is one not ""Voat""?
(3) Is this nothing more than a mostly anonymous version of Survivor? Alliances formed. Plots enacted. Off the island! When the process is complete, everybody's gone but one.
Yeah. I don't get it. But that's OK. There might be some kind of conflict here. But I'm not fighting. I just want to understand ENOUGH to know what's happening...at least as it relates to me. Team? I didn't know I had a team.
Rock on. Live long and prosper.
@PuttItOut
VoatsNewfag ago
I assume you mean the autistic spectrum, I've been diagnosed with autism as a child. Though I still can grasp the concept of generalization and it's usefulness.
So here is unnecessary detailed, downright autistic answer:
Yes. Similarly, if one takes a photograph with a camera, one is a photographer. But if someone describes themselves as a photographer, we assume that they are a professional photographer, not someone who just once made some photos. Technically almost everyone is a ""photographer"", but only some people are photographers.
It is a similar principle. Yeah, technically you're "voat" after making one comment, but at the same time you're not, not really. Just technically.
The same way that any other community or arbitrary group of people can make a choice. For example men decided that the gym is the first choice to better their appearance. Women decided that makeup is their first choice. Doesn't mean that there aren't men with makeup or women hitting the gym and not wearing any makeup.
Generalizations are not about technical accuracy, they are about pragmatism.
Generalizations and abstractions are how we make sense of the world. Every tree you encounter in your life is entirely unique. Every "cat" you encounter is entirely unique. It has it's own unique genetic makeup, unique colors, unique shape, unique personality. "Cat" is an abstraction. Imagine what life would look like if you tried to no longer perceive the world in abstractions and generalizations - you wouldn't be able to function. It would render you useless as you would constantly try to make sense of the world and it's too complex for you to make any noticeable progress.
Some people think it's wrong to apply generalizations to human groups and communities, but I think that's nonsense. I will treat people wearing suits differently than people that have vulgar tattoos and piercings on their bodies. If I had to decide whether I sit next to a bunch of business man or a bunch of skinheads on a train, I'd choose the guys with the suits. And so does everyone who tells you that generalizing people is bad.
Generalizations have their faults and can be unfair to individuals, but we shouldn't try to get entirely rid of them or think of them as entirely bad. No matter what people in your life told you to believe.
Is this the reply to putt stating that conflict strengthen relationships? I'm not certain what you mean. Why would everybody be gone?
Anyway you can make friendship with someone after conflict because you can observe first hand how they treat people that are against them - are they still respectful? Are they fair, or do they distribute lies among your friends behind your back? Are they willing to resolve conflict or do they rather pretend nothing happened the next day?
Seeing someone in conflict tells you a lot about their core values and whether or not they're trustworthy.
4TheRepublic ago
DON'T trust me. Ever.
If you can abide by that, and accept that I don't trust YOU, ...THEN we MIGHT get along.
VoatsNewfag ago
I will take your advise.
How would we get along if we don't trust each other?
4TheRepublic ago
@VoatsNewfag
I invite you to consider the freedom that arises from the absence of expectation; in this case, the expectation to trust. [Expectations are resentments waiting to happen.]
Thank you for your musings on my musings. A coincidental muse. You are helping me to increase my awareness. What a treat!
Have you read "True Believer" by Eric Hoffer?
"There is a fundamental difference between the appeal of a mass movement and the appeal of a practical organization. The practical organization offers opportunities for self-advancement, and its appeal is mainly to self-interest. On the other hand, a mass movement, particularly in its active, revivalist phase, appeals not to those intent on bolstering and advancing a cherished self, but to those who crave to be rid of an unwanted self. A mass movement attracts and holds a following not because it can satisfy the desire for self-advancement, but because it can satisfy the passion for self-renunciation." - from Section 7
"A man is likely to mind his own business when it is worth minding. When it is not, he takes his mind off his own meaningless affairs by minding other people's business." - from Section 10
Now for the TL;DR version...
I don't have to imagine it ... I live it ... with the exception of the inability to function). And, yes, life beyond belief has occasionally impacted my function on many levels...primarily, though, it makes social integration difficult-to-sometimes-impossible.
[Keep this in mind... The only requirement for the success of a "religion" is that ENOUGH people pretend to believe the same things.]
Your presumption is flawed. i.e.: Discarding generalization-dependence REQUIRES constantly trying to make sense of the world which RESULTS IN being rendered useless.
Rather than a willingness to look beyond accepted generalization, you prefer reliance on approved generalizations (conventional prejudices?) to make sense of the world for you. I don't try to make sense of the world. I long ago realized that such a thing is beyond my ability.
I'm going to stick with Einstein on this one:
"Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds. The mediocre mind is incapable of understanding the man who refuses to bow blindly to conventional prejudices and chooses instead to express his opinions courageously and honestly."
I suspect that you don't wish to be treated with the kind of dismissive generalizing that you suggest everyone else in the world ought to embrace. But if you dared to step outside the parameters that are foggily established (?) by your thought leaders for your thought followers, you would be treated poorly by them all.
If your understanding (?) of/for "noticeable progress" is in a social or religious context (as in "belonging" or having a following), then you are correct. This is not my idea of progress, nor do I desire a following.
You project your "belief system" on to others. You defend your beliefs to your satisfaction -- with doses of appeal to authority. But your authority is your own defense of generalizations through beliefs, examples, and understandings that you expect all others to embrace -- or imagine that they already do. Convenient...and effective -- HERE.
My guess is that you haven't ever been to any place where that kind of veneer won't protect you.
[Your vulgar-tattoo-vs.-guys-with-suits example is telling. Superficial. Good luck with that. To each his own.]
Here's a generalization for you: All generalizations, based in Faith or conventional prejudice, that repel challenge, have faults and are always unfair to individuals...even the faithful ones. You espouse coercive collectivism, and apparently you are also willing to be subsumed by the collective. That's fine. You have plenty of company -- so you'll be all right...for a while.
I embrace organic collectives...involving awareness and a general acceptance of the reality of strength in numbers while recognizing and respecting the role of each member. I have no desire to collect followers or start a religion based on the premise that we should entirely eliminate generalizations...or to see them as entirely bad -- no matter what people in your life told you to believe.
No. But the principles apply.
Simple. Arguments and so-called conflict ... based in personality, and/or faith, and/or subterfuge ... will continue until all parties are destroyed, except one. Challenges to survival (real or perceived) will pressure all personality-, faith-, and dishonesty-based interactions or exchanges (often mistakenly referred to as relationships) to reveal differences...differences will result in further conflict...and eventually 'participants' succumb to the ultimate solution -- homicide. [Character assassination is just as real as homicidal assassination. They differ by degree but not in essence.]
But is conflict NECESSARY for this/your kind of friendship? ...Only if we insist that it be so.
And why would we insist that it be so? ...Because we are addicted to drama.
Why are we addicted to drama? ...Because we live in a society that elevates personality over principle.
Why does our society elevate personality over principle? ...The short answer -- Because it can.
Trustworthy? Worthy of trust to do what, exactly? Comply? Regurgitate faith-based dogma? Save face at the expense of honesty and principle? Gain or maintain the illusion of acceptance by the leaders and followers of a sect?
Yeah. Um . . . no thanks. I'll stick with honesty, practicality, and principle -- things that nourish real friendship.
All the best to you and yours.
VoatsNewfag ago
I don't believe you.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generalization
Wikipedia lists "animal" and "tree" as examples for generalizations. Do you really treat every tree in your life as a discreet object? As in, you don't believe that there are any observations that apply to all trees, for example "trees" are flammable?
What about animals? If I were to say that you shouldn't feed your cats raisins because they're unhealthy, would you accept that generalization of your cats body and biology or would you say that we don't know that unless we try, because maybe her biology is different from all other cats? Maybe she has a genetic mutation that makes her immune to raisins, therefore we shouldn't make assumptions?
Or how about generalizations about humans. Do you not think it's accurate to say that humans need water? It's a general statement about a group, it's a generalization to say that humans need water to survive.
Isn't that a generalizations? A statement about a group of "great spirits"?
You tell me you live a life without generalizations but you yourself state that you want to stick with what is a generalization. You can't even write a reply without making use of generalizations.
Any statement you make about "great spirits" an assert is true for all of them is a generalizations. Albert einstein made a generalization right there.
Why would we insist that? I didn't insist that.
That is a generalization, is it not? How do you know how the arbitrary group of "participants" will behave?
Isn't that a generalization of society?
In case you don't know what a generalization is, here are some definitions:
https://study.com/academy/lesson/generalization-lesson-for-kids-definition-examples.html
"A generalization is a statement that applies to a group of people or things, based on some examples."
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/generalization
"a general statement, law, principle, or proposition"
https://www.vocabulary.com/dictionary/generalization
"Taking something specific and applying it more broadly is making a generalization. It's a generalization to say all dogs chase squirrels."
"Scientists try to make generalizations based on research — the more data they have, the more accurate the generalization."
It is impossible to go through life without making use of principles and statements applied to groups. Science is based on generalizations - according to the dictionary. You are a fucking liar for pretending to be above generalizations.
Maybe you're thinking of stereotypes, which are a type of generalization. But they too can be reflective of reality.
4TheRepublic ago
Let me ask you this... Do you promote perpetual unrest?
@VoatsNewfag