EDIT2: Possible alternative/2birds1stone reason for this push by @CrustyBeaver52
The (temporary?) legalization of the crimes (were they crimes?) of Google, Twitter, and Facebook
EDIT: Interpretation provided that could be a danger to the site Please post your thoughts on the issue.
On the one hand, fuck those that knowingly and with intent host and publish trafficking shit. On the other, government overreach is always a bad thing. I leave it to the court of Voat.
After actually reading through the bill, I've come to a conclusion about it. Link acquired from stickied post
Stickied post itself
TL;DR The amendment clarifies that content hosts that knowingly host and facilitate sex trafficking are liable and not protected by the already-on-the-books bill. Putt has rules against it, and has a record of removing that content and letting the authorities know. If he has documentation of his actions with his legal counsel, the only way to get rid of Voat is to GITMO the place - and the ones with the power to do so were not limited by the previous wording.
Allow States and Victims to Fight Online Sex Trafficking Act of 2017
Suggesting states and victims are not allowed to do such a thing. We should hold our legislators' feet to the fire on this Orwellian doublespeak shit, no matter what it applies to.
"Hello, this is the office of X, how may I help you?"
"Yeah, I'd like to know if states and victims are currently not allowed to fight online sex trafficking."
"Of course they are!"
"Why is bill H. R. 1865 suggesting they aren't allowed to do so?"
"That's not..."
"Yes, it is. You know it is. Send it back until something more accurate can be used as a title."
"A Bill" whatever the fuck it's called -- foreword, perhaps?
To amend the Communications Act of 1934 to clarify that section 230 of such Act does not prohibit the enforcement against providers and users of interactive computer services of Federal and State criminal and civil law relating to sexual exploitation of children or sex trafficking, and for other purposes.
Clarifying that a previous act applies to providers and users of computer services relating to sexual exploitation of children or sex trafficking, AND FOR OTHER PURPOSES.
Dangerously vague at the end there.
Sec. 1. Short title
This Act may be cited as the Allow States and Victims to Fight Online Sex Trafficking Act of 2017.
Yeah, yeah, we get it. Currently not allowed by law for them to fight it. Got it.
Sec. 2. Sense of congress
It is the sense of Congress that--
section 230 of the Communications Act of 1934 (47 U.S.C. 230; commonly known as the Communications Decency Act of 1996) was never intended to provide legal protection to websites that unlawfully promote and facilitate prostitution and contribute to sex trafficking;
Below the double lines, a dissection of section 230:
47 U.S. Code § 230 - Protection for private blocking and screening of offensive material
Basically protecting censorship.
(a) seems decent.
(b) number 5 is fucking snowflake bullshit.
(c)
(1) Treatment of publisher or speaker
No provider or user of an interactive computer service shall be treated as the publisher or speaker of any information provided by another information content provider.
No user or host will be guilty by association of another on the same service publishing or writing something illegal.
(2) Civil liability No provider or user of an interactive computer service shall be held liable on account of—
Providers and users are not liable for:
(A) any action voluntarily taken in good faith to restrict access to or availability of material that the provider or user considers to be obscene, lewd, lascivious, filthy, excessively violent, harassing, or otherwise objectionable, whether or not such material is constitutionally protected; or
Censorship. Subjective "in good faith" snowflake bullshit.
(B) any action taken to enable or make available to information content providers or others the technical means to restrict access to material described in paragraph (1).
[1]
Providing information to facilitate censorship.
Jewtube and Jewgle aren't liable for their censorship. Nice slip-in there.
(d)
Obligations of interactive computer service
Putt's obligations according to this bill.
A provider of interactive computer service shall, at the time of entering an agreement with a customer for the provision of interactive computer service and in a manner deemed appropriate by the provider, notify such customer that parental control protections (such as computer hardware, software, or filtering services) are commercially available that may assist the customer in limiting access to material that is harmful to minors. Such notice shall identify, or provide the customer with access to information identifying, current providers of such protections.
Putt must tell new users that parental control protections are commercially available that can censor this place from their kids. (I hope he has this already @Puttiout)
(e)
Effect on other laws
What this changes about other laws: (tl;dr nothing)
(1) No effect on criminal law
Nothing in this section shall be construed to impair the enforcement of section 223 or 231 of this title, chapter 71 (relating to obscenity) or 110 (relating to sexual exploitation of children) of title 18, or any other Federal criminal statute.
(2) No effect on intellectual property law
Nothing in this section shall be construed to limit or expand any law pertaining to intellectual property.
(3) State law
Nothing in this section shall be construed to prevent any State from enforcing any State law that is consistent with this section. No cause of action may be brought and no liability may be imposed under any State or local law that is inconsistent with this section.
(4) No effect on communications privacy law
Nothing in this section shall be construed to limit the application of the Electronic Communications Privacy Act of 1986 or any of the amendments made by such Act, or any similar State law.
(f)
Definitions as used in this section:
Mostly useless info. Interesting loophole for hosts. Seems to specifically delineate Information Content Provider from a sharer of said information. (memes won't get you liability in this bill)
websites that promote and facilitate prostitution have been reckless in allowing the sale of sex trafficking victims and have done nothing to prevent the trafficking of children and victims of force, fraud, and coercion; and
Seems ok.
clarification of such section is warranted to ensure that such section does not provide such protection to such websites.
All right.
Sec. 3.Promotion of prostitution and reckless disregard of sex trafficking
Promotion of prostitution.—
Chapter 117 of title 18, United States Code, is amended by inserting after section 2421 the following:
(a)
Whoever uses or operates a facility or means of interstate or foreign commerce or attempts to do so with the intent to promote or facilitate the prostitution of another person shall be fined under this title, imprisoned for not more than 10 years, or both.
Intent needs to be shown, it seems.
(b)
Fines and imprisonment for egregious violations of promoting or facilitating prostitution and reckless disregard of sex trafficking. Sec 2421A.
acts in reckless disregard of the fact that such conduct contributed to sex trafficking, in violation of 1591(a),
"Contributed" may or may not include what everyone's freaking out over. Need to check on 1591(a). Either way, it's already on the books.
(c, d, e)
Consequences of violating the above. Not really interesting unless we're actually violating anything
Sec. 4. Communications decency act
Section 230(e) of the Communications Act of 1934 (47 U.S.C. 230(e)) is amended by adding at the end the following:
(5)No effect on state laws conforming to 18 u.s.c. 1591(a) or 2421a.—
Nothing in this section shall be construed to impair or limit any charge in a criminal prosecution brought under State law—
(A) if the conduct underlying the charge constitutes a violation of section 2421A of title 18, United States Code, and promotion or facilitation of prostitution is illegal in the jurisdiction where the defendant’s promotion or facilitation of prostitution was targeted; or
(B) if the conduct underlying the charge constitutes a violation of section 1591(a) of title 18, United States Code.
https://kek.gg/i/ttfVQ.png
Sec. 5. Savings clause
Bill doesn't apply to shit happening before it's enacted.
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bdmthrfkr ago
Keep the enemy on their back foot, it's how my father did it, it's how Trump is doing it and it's how we will continue the tradition.
Crensch ago
Not 100% picking up what you're laying down, sir.
bdmthrfkr ago
I'm sorry Crensch, it's late where I live and I spent most of my day answering just about every single goat who had an opinion about the proposed law that wants to give the clowns an opportunity to shut us down and I'm beat. The most typing I think that I have ever done in one day, but well worth it. This is a fight that we must fight.
As far as your post goes, let me read it tomorrow after I've had a chance to get some sleep, unlike some of these faggots around here I always look forward to your posts. Your new stuff is really sticking a needle in their sides.
Crensch ago
No problem at all, buddy. Get some sleep.
Vigilance is the price of freedom; you did good bringing it here. Even if it might be a false alarm, the sentry's duty is to report threats to others.
bdmthrfkr ago
Enjoy your afternoon and I will be off to bed. BTW, it's not a false alarm this shit is real, that's why it got a sticky:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stop_Enabling_Sex_Traffickers_Act
Crensch ago
Oh, I realize that it's real. I think the viable applications of the wording are benign for this site. Both for us and for putt.
I'm prepared to be proved wrong if there's some kind of vicious wording there, but the wording still requires the base-level proving intent which is historically difficult to prove. We have rules against it, and I'm almost certain putt has a record of removing that content and/or alerting the authorities on the matter.
If he has those things documented and his legal counsel is provided a copy of those incidents, the only way to get rid of Voat is to GITMO the place, and that was already an option for those with power to do so.
bdmthrfkr ago
I first heard about this in the morning (Euro time) from full chan and then sat on it for a few hours until the goats in America had their first cup of coffee. In the meantime I took one of my boys to the park, he likes the zip-line there. The problem arises from the original post:
https://kek.gg/i/4g7_mf.png
The red text says it all, as soon as you codify an end-run around the 1st Amendment the dam will break and eventually most forms of free thought will be curtailed. This is not a black pill, this is a call to arms, we can win this fight, we just need all hands on deck.
middle_path ago
The 2nd protects the 1st. No wonder they're doing this the same time they're going after what may be arguably the best gun for a civilian uprising.
Crensch ago
Pinging users that have responded:
@middle_path @Rotteuxx @ZardoZ2017 @BentAxel
I'm currently of the mind that this still doesn't change much. False flags are becoming very public PR abortions that don't accomplish anything the perpetrators want.
Mulling it over a bit, and putting an edit at the top of my submission.
middle_path ago
Thanks. I'm not really convinced this will affect us either.
Crensch ago
Hrm... I'll mull this over a bit. Thanks!