There should be a threshold for down votes. Once you reach so many, your account should be automatically disabled, period. They can always make another, but that would at least make these shills work for a living - LOL
There should be a threshold for down votes. Once you reach so many, your account should be automatically disabled, period. They can always make another, but that would at least make these shills work for a living - LOL
Oh yea... we believe in free speech as long as its speech we agree with. Right?
I could think of far too many ways that that's possible to abuse and be turned against us. Pizzagaters were downvoted en masse by stealth accounts once, and it could become a legit tactic for censorship. It's also a complete waste of voat's available usernames. Let them comment, however maybe apply some lighter penalties. (like I belive they already have)
I am vehemently against deleting thr accounts of those whose opinions we strongly disagree with. That would be one small step for policy and one giant leap toward reddit. As I understand things, the pioneers in the first exodus that became Voat could have simply created new accounts and continued to post themselves. That's a real slippery slope.
Uhh yeah, why do you think he's being downvoated? Obviously people don't agree with him.
and you know it
I'll go ahead and assume that you think he is a shill. Even if that were true, you don't get to decide who does and doesn't get to post on this website. Aka, having your say.
But I'll go ahead and let you know, that account is a fucking joke. An annoying one, but it's still active because people freak out about him and we have posts like this showing up on the front page every week. He's a troll, he has the right to be here, and you're feeding him.
On this one, I think he is meaning that once they hit, say, -2k ccp (i would put it at 1k), that the account is a troll and it is essentially useless. Not for dessenting proposes, but to keep those trying to make a negative record for shits and giggles. Just my two cents though.
Yeah, dont get me wrong. I definitely see where you are going with it, and sure, I dont like those that dv just because they dont like someone, but at some point, if the person goes that far with random shenanigans, i can see it being a fruitless endeavour. Honestely, if you manage to make ti to -1k, you have to be trying. Not slippery sloping it on this one, and i do believe it exists.
I am not the one dving, by the by, and could honestly care less over all. The only reason I threw up the idea was because of trolling competitions, but it really doesnt affect me at all. I am fine either way no matter how it plays out. I generally enjoy flipping through the dv'd posts, but can see where the negative competitions can encourage many to just be a bit annoying. Again, doesnt bither me one way or the other. Just a suggestion.
Yeah, probably. I rarely dv, and only to those pulling shit off topic. This whole post really is a bit of a non issue in the grand scheme of things.
I do agree though. Everyone should have the ability to post. It is just the "trolling for no other reason than the lols" thing that I could care less about, but again, it really doesnt bother me one way or another. They can keep up doing their thing, but wont bother me much.
<3 you nonetheless though, man. Keep on keeping on.
I love this place for these types of conversations and hate when you get the ideologs in the middle that try to turn every slight disagreement into a war. It is nice to have a constructive plave to say what you like with someone you disagree with and still like eachother at the end of the day.
Sorry for the rant, but it is refreshing, unlike shit happenening on the IRL server. I really do appreciate what you do man.
Yes I gotta agree with these guys. There is a big difference between someone who has a general unpopular opinion, but still contributing value to the discussions.. Versus someone with literally thousands of negative votes. Idk the best way to do it or if anything should be done at all.. Just pointing out the difference in a troll that is tarnishing a discussion/thread and a left wing liberal posting thoughtful disagreement.
Hell, I never cared if someone dissents. Everyone's opinion has value. That's called free speech. I may not agree with you, but I don't down vote for that or let it bother me. I simply don't up vote ya ... that's my way of saying I disagree. But hey, if someone has thousands of down votes from others, that's above and beyond and dips into the realm of a spammer or troll, not someone voicing a legitimate argument for a position. No one accumulates that bad a reputation because they simply disagree. At least that's my thought.
I suggested that spammers should need to work to irritate us ... nothing more. My suggestion won't be implemented, you and I both know that ... sorry I ruffled your feathers, but if someone is being paid to flood Voat with nonsense ... spam us, what I said has merit in my mind ... however, I also know Voat well enough that that won't happen. BTW, to insinuate that I'm somehow anti-free speech or not a staunch supporter of Voat values due to an off the cuff remark is irritating in it's own right.
I just think that this website is great because you can say whatever the fuck you want. It doesn't matter what you think or what I think or what he thinks, we can all say it.
I think that what you're suggesting is detrimental to that. I don't think that it's even really the first step in the wrong direction though.
Can't you just ban him? If he so awful, couldn't everyone who doesn't like him just banned him. I think a lot of people actually do enjoy his presence, gives them a false sense of importance.
I think he is a joke, a troll who loves the reaction he is getting. It's just so obvious. Have you seen the guys posts? Seems pretty fake
Don't know why someone down voted ya - LOL - but will balance that out. Yeah, probably a troll. Have a great Sunday, I've been screwin' off and haven't been here much today.
No biggie ... like I just made an off the cuff remark and a bunch of users I never heard of were jumpin' all over me (not you, we're regulars - LOL) ... so I got a tad defensive. Too late in the evening, I suppose when that went down. We're cool - LOL
I didn't realize you were defending your own alternate account. It makes sense now. And omg I'm new here! The shame! How will I live with this scarlet letter upon my breast!?! You stink because you are a nigger faggot and not the good kind.
What are you writing a book? Get off my nuts. Everything you say is a waste. You think trolls have a legitimate right to reverse arguments, but you turn all pissy when someone fucks with you? Fuck off.
I agree everyone should have a right to speak.. Even if they have a mental illness. However isn't there something a little "off" about a paid shill who dedicates their time here to troll instead of being useful and contributing valuable content/conversation? The getting paid part is especially what makes things a little different.
LOL - you do gotta give him that. Funny you should mention him though. I got a comment from him an hour ago or so for mentioning to someone who was concerned his ilk were spamming Voat. I gave whoever the advise to reportspammers and let them sort it out, if they thought it was legit spam ... he was unhappy with my advice - LOL. He's a vocal dude for sure. But hasn't responded back when I explained I just advised. f ya don't like it, complain to anyone who actually does report ya. I just provided them an avenue to vent. BTW ... do those guys get paid to shill? Just curious, I generally ignore their nonsensical BS.
I kind of want to sign up. Like do an account, that everyone knows is a shill, and just post random bullshit. And get paid to voat. On one hand, it could be useful just to know what their agenda is. And I wouldn't feel bad because everyone knows it's a shill account.
You'd probably be obligated to sign a Non-Disclosure Agreement that would prevent you from letting others know you are a shill account. And if you violated the terms you could get sued/fined and lose since you signed the NDA.
Interesting, thanks. Leftist are the most humorless, obnoxious folk around. It's always a pleasure for me when I do engage them, to know that I've left them steaming - LOL> But more times than not, it isn't worth the bother ... it's more fun messing with the heads of trolls most days.
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Owlchemy ago
There should be a threshold for down votes. Once you reach so many, your account should be automatically disabled, period. They can always make another, but that would at least make these shills work for a living - LOL
NeedleStack ago
John did it! He beat @She!
junesunflower ago
Oh yea... we believe in free speech as long as its speech we agree with. Right?
Stupid as fuck voat mentality.
hafen ago
I could think of far too many ways that that's possible to abuse and be turned against us. Pizzagaters were downvoted en masse by stealth accounts once, and it could become a legit tactic for censorship. It's also a complete waste of voat's available usernames. Let them comment, however maybe apply some lighter penalties. (like I belive they already have)
facevalue ago
I am vehemently against deleting thr accounts of those whose opinions we strongly disagree with. That would be one small step for policy and one giant leap toward reddit. As I understand things, the pioneers in the first exodus that became Voat could have simply created new accounts and continued to post themselves. That's a real slippery slope.
Chiefpacman ago
Yeah if we disagree with people they shouldn't be able to post! Dissent offends me
/s
surprisecockfag ago
That's not why this guy is getting downvoated and you know it.
Chiefpacman ago
Uhh yeah, why do you think he's being downvoated? Obviously people don't agree with him.
and you know it
I'll go ahead and assume that you think he is a shill. Even if that were true, you don't get to decide who does and doesn't get to post on this website. Aka, having your say.
But I'll go ahead and let you know, that account is a fucking joke. An annoying one, but it's still active because people freak out about him and we have posts like this showing up on the front page every week. He's a troll, he has the right to be here, and you're feeding him.
surprisecockfag ago
"he's a troll, he has the right to be here, and you're feeding him." sounds a lot like "if you kill your enemies, they win."
Chiefpacman ago
You don't kill your enemy by banning there account.
Were you not on Reddit before this? Because like half of us have been banned from there. Do we look dead?
BookyMonstur ago
I don't think you're going to convince this guy that his other account should be banned.
DependasaurusRex ago
On this one, I think he is meaning that once they hit, say, -2k ccp (i would put it at 1k), that the account is a troll and it is essentially useless. Not for dessenting proposes, but to keep those trying to make a negative record for shits and giggles. Just my two cents though.
Chiefpacman ago
So he could just make another account anyways. So it wouldn't do anything...
Can't you just ban him? Why haven't all of you done that yet..
Chiefpacman ago
Are you aware that we have downvoating brigades here? Oncd a guy gets blacklisted by some users, it's an ongoing battle.
Dont infringe on our principles because of a troll. Have your say, not have your say if it follows guidelines.
Slippery slope.
DependasaurusRex ago
Yeah, dont get me wrong. I definitely see where you are going with it, and sure, I dont like those that dv just because they dont like someone, but at some point, if the person goes that far with random shenanigans, i can see it being a fruitless endeavour. Honestely, if you manage to make ti to -1k, you have to be trying. Not slippery sloping it on this one, and i do believe it exists.
Chiefpacman ago
Would you say that he single-handedly hurts your voating experience?
Then ban him. Yourself. Don't ask for him to be censored from others.
DependasaurusRex ago
I am not the one dving, by the by, and could honestly care less over all. The only reason I threw up the idea was because of trolling competitions, but it really doesnt affect me at all. I am fine either way no matter how it plays out. I generally enjoy flipping through the dv'd posts, but can see where the negative competitions can encourage many to just be a bit annoying. Again, doesnt bither me one way or the other. Just a suggestion.
Chiefpacman ago
I know youre not downvoating me.
There's some dumbass new account who's following me around today.
Probably an alt of the shill we have been discussing here. Which makes you think, this post is nothing but feeding him attention.
I just genuinely think anyone should be able to post here. Even if thet hate us and mean to destroy us.
Though, I do think he is nothing more than an attention seeker. Not a paid shill.
DependasaurusRex ago
Yeah, probably. I rarely dv, and only to those pulling shit off topic. This whole post really is a bit of a non issue in the grand scheme of things.
I do agree though. Everyone should have the ability to post. It is just the "trolling for no other reason than the lols" thing that I could care less about, but again, it really doesnt bother me one way or another. They can keep up doing their thing, but wont bother me much.
<3 you nonetheless though, man. Keep on keeping on.
Chiefpacman ago
Thanks.
Back At you.
DependasaurusRex ago
I love this place for these types of conversations and hate when you get the ideologs in the middle that try to turn every slight disagreement into a war. It is nice to have a constructive plave to say what you like with someone you disagree with and still like eachother at the end of the day.
Sorry for the rant, but it is refreshing, unlike shit happenening on the IRL server. I really do appreciate what you do man.
stayawayfrommybutt ago
Yes I gotta agree with these guys. There is a big difference between someone who has a general unpopular opinion, but still contributing value to the discussions.. Versus someone with literally thousands of negative votes. Idk the best way to do it or if anything should be done at all.. Just pointing out the difference in a troll that is tarnishing a discussion/thread and a left wing liberal posting thoughtful disagreement.
Owlchemy ago
Hell, I never cared if someone dissents. Everyone's opinion has value. That's called free speech. I may not agree with you, but I don't down vote for that or let it bother me. I simply don't up vote ya ... that's my way of saying I disagree. But hey, if someone has thousands of down votes from others, that's above and beyond and dips into the realm of a spammer or troll, not someone voicing a legitimate argument for a position. No one accumulates that bad a reputation because they simply disagree. At least that's my thought.
Chiefpacman ago
You are suggested we implement a ban on unpopular users.
Idk if that was a joke, but no thanks. There are sites where that practice is implemented, hence my being on voat.
Owlchemy ago
I suggested that spammers should need to work to irritate us ... nothing more. My suggestion won't be implemented, you and I both know that ... sorry I ruffled your feathers, but if someone is being paid to flood Voat with nonsense ... spam us, what I said has merit in my mind ... however, I also know Voat well enough that that won't happen. BTW, to insinuate that I'm somehow anti-free speech or not a staunch supporter of Voat values due to an off the cuff remark is irritating in it's own right.
Chiefpacman ago
I just think that this website is great because you can say whatever the fuck you want. It doesn't matter what you think or what I think or what he thinks, we can all say it.
I think that what you're suggesting is detrimental to that. I don't think that it's even really the first step in the wrong direction though.
Can't you just ban him? If he so awful, couldn't everyone who doesn't like him just banned him. I think a lot of people actually do enjoy his presence, gives them a false sense of importance.
I think he is a joke, a troll who loves the reaction he is getting. It's just so obvious. Have you seen the guys posts? Seems pretty fake
Owlchemy ago
Don't know why someone down voted ya - LOL - but will balance that out. Yeah, probably a troll. Have a great Sunday, I've been screwin' off and haven't been here much today.
Chiefpacman ago
You're good.
Some small cabal has been on my ass since I made that comment.
Furthers my suspicion that this guy is a troll. It doesn't really matter.
Its all about principle. I know you didn't mean any harm by your comment, my sarcastic response was kind of dickish.
You and I wonder around the same parts of the voat, so I should play nicer.
Enjoy your Sunday as well, thank you
Owlchemy ago
No biggie ... like I just made an off the cuff remark and a bunch of users I never heard of were jumpin' all over me (not you, we're regulars - LOL) ... so I got a tad defensive. Too late in the evening, I suppose when that went down. We're cool - LOL
BookyMonstur ago
Yeah that guy wasn't disagreeing with you. He just flipped what you said in a condescending manner. That's not a dialogue.
Chiefpacman ago
Yeah ignore that guy's point.
Maybe we should also implement a ban on 25 day old day accounts from commenting too while were at it. Couldn't hurt ;)
BookyMonstur ago
So you think a discussion has value when a naysayer disagrees with someone just for the joy of it? How much are you getting paid for having seniority?
Chiefpacman ago
Just FYI, when you go through my comment list and downvoat everything, it goes away in like an hour.
really you're just putting in effort for nothing. It's flattering, but I assure you it's not necessary
BookyMonstur ago
Just FYI get a life and go fuck yourself John!
Chiefpacman ago
I feel bad for you.
Have fun with your made-up realization
BookyMonstur ago
I feel bad for you. Must hurt having to eat bags of dicks all day. Gotta make that money tho.
Chiefpacman ago
There it is, now I'm a shill for standing up for someone and having an old account. Lol.
25 day accounts smell bad this week.
BookyMonstur ago
I didn't realize you were defending your own alternate account. It makes sense now. And omg I'm new here! The shame! How will I live with this scarlet letter upon my breast!?! You stink because you are a nigger faggot and not the good kind.
Chiefpacman ago
English isn't your first language is it...
Not going to waste words on you anymore. Youre not going to do well here kiddo
BookyMonstur ago
What are you writing a book? Get off my nuts. Everything you say is a waste. You think trolls have a legitimate right to reverse arguments, but you turn all pissy when someone fucks with you? Fuck off.
stayawayfrommybutt ago
I agree everyone should have a right to speak.. Even if they have a mental illness. However isn't there something a little "off" about a paid shill who dedicates their time here to troll instead of being useful and contributing valuable content/conversation? The getting paid part is especially what makes things a little different.
Chiefpacman ago
Slippery slope.
Who should we put in charge of choosing who is a shill or not?
When you've been here longer than a month, you get accused of being a shill from time to time.
IMO even the trolls should be allowed to post here. Have your say?
NeedleStack ago
I admire his sticktoitiveness.
Go, John, Go!!
Owlchemy ago
LOL - you do gotta give him that. Funny you should mention him though. I got a comment from him an hour ago or so for mentioning to someone who was concerned his ilk were spamming Voat. I gave whoever the advise to reportspammers and let them sort it out, if they thought it was legit spam ... he was unhappy with my advice - LOL. He's a vocal dude for sure. But hasn't responded back when I explained I just advised. f ya don't like it, complain to anyone who actually does report ya. I just provided them an avenue to vent. BTW ... do those guys get paid to shill? Just curious, I generally ignore their nonsensical BS.
NeedleStack ago
Yes, they get paid to shill:
https://medium.com/@getongab/the-far-left-works-with-silicon-valley-to-fight-populism-with-paid-shills-and-censorship-ff94f93d2ba3
RandomGoater ago
I kind of want to sign up. Like do an account, that everyone knows is a shill, and just post random bullshit. And get paid to voat. On one hand, it could be useful just to know what their agenda is. And I wouldn't feel bad because everyone knows it's a shill account.
NeedleStack ago
You'd probably be obligated to sign a Non-Disclosure Agreement that would prevent you from letting others know you are a shill account. And if you violated the terms you could get sued/fined and lose since you signed the NDA.
RandomGoater ago
It'd still be fun.
Owlchemy ago
Interesting, thanks. Leftist are the most humorless, obnoxious folk around. It's always a pleasure for me when I do engage them, to know that I've left them steaming - LOL> But more times than not, it isn't worth the bother ... it's more fun messing with the heads of trolls most days.