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Voat isn't the only place where people are having these discussions, its just the only one you know of because you discuss those topics her, you don't have any reason to find the other places

What? It's not over $9000 a month?

Open white supremacy needs to exist.

Why?

Were there open black supremacy on this site, I imagine there would be plenty of sponsors lined up with or without your concern trolling.

This is more like I was expecting for costs.

As for the optimizations ... Voat probably doesn't have many queries and areas of delivery are relatively few so it's more like hire an assassin to take care of 5-10 items and then profit.

Voat isn't that big of a code base.

Also is there any way we can get some transparancy or talk to Encyclopedia Dramatica about who handles their servers? They're able to keep 4 sites a float for well under 3k a year.

Is there any way Voat can get on Patreon?

Awesome and relevant! Thanks!

I figured a 250/month server was over kill. Ram would be more key than HD space. I'm just not sure about bandwidth but I'd imagine there are hosting companies that are close to unmetered so obviously dropping azure would be smart.

Honesty, I bet a slim php framework could handle voat at the moment ... But I'm liking what I've been reading about golang. But since you mentioned node.js ... Hmm ... Maybe the hipster framework would be smarter since more kids like it.

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Why not just sub them $6k a month for a year? See how it goes? $250 would be a steal. I'm looking at the RHS column - pure white - one third of the screen - perfect ad space.

For now it's important to get funding going. After that we can deal with other problems. Funding is the big fire in the room right now that needs to be dealt with first.

Considering that it looks like Atko was forced out and the people running the show are manipulating the vote, I can't fork out cash for reddit 2.0

The cunts might ban me for saying so in this bastion of free speech.

Many hands make light work

You should read The Mythical Man Month. When it comes to IT, you seen someone to break down the problems into components and even then you can't just throw more people to make it go faster. That's like say if you had nine women, you should be able to produce a child in a month.

Voat is not a charity. Voat is a business.

Do you ask for transparency when you buy a product or service too? Do you ask the person who cuts your hair where your money will be spent? Do you ask for a transparency report when you tip a waiter? If you're concerned about where Voat's donation money is being spent then you always have the option to forego donating in the first place. Think of it more like patronage. True patronage is not an investment or payment for product or services rendered. It's money to appreciate and promote someone's work. I donate knowing fully that I could be suckered but I still choose for myself to do it. There are no guarantees. Such is life.

Morbo is pleased. Morbo will not destroy TheodoreKent.

I have no idea what you are saying but upgoat because black jack and hookers.

@Morbo might be right about a lot of centrist people being gone. I'm probably a hold out but even I cringe at some of the shit that gets voted up here now. I also agree that if we are going to be stuck with donations to keep the site going it would be nice to see some stats and real time donation info.

Many hands also make for bickering and fighting when there is no authoritative management to keep everyone moving in one direction. I'm not against the Voat community helping to evolve Voat to a new platform or technology stack but I have seen first hand the problems that unaffiliated open source teams can cause. Everyone wants to lead, nobody is willing to follow and people get personal. I don't see it working here, certainly not after the clamoring for transparency and accountability so many goats exploded with over this announcement. Let that be a sign of how well this idea could work.

It started as many sites do, it was a side project created by our former leader goat Atko. It was not designed from the get-go as a sustainable business that would turn into a high volume site with many thousands (or more) users. It was funded on a shoestring budget and for three years ran on startup subsidies, user donations and out of pocket money from Atko and PuttItOut. As for the choice of technologies, well Atko used what he liked and was comfortable with. I don't think it's fair to judge him or Putt on this since someone will be critical of the technology stack no matter what it is built with. For all the naysayers here on Voat bashing the site and its creators for "letting" this happen, all I can say is go build a similar site and tell us about it so we can go mooch of of you for a few years. I wonder how many Voat goats would make it 3 years under similar circumstances? Not many I suspect.

I AM SORRY ABOUT YOUR RACE NIGGGEEERRRR!!!!

Ya, I can't put my money into this black hole. No idea where it is going. He is gone for weeks/months at a time. Then just shows up to say the sites on the brink of shutdown. It keeps happening. We never see where the money is going.

Transparency will make me willing to give money. Right now, I would be throwing it into the void.

@PuttItOut you should add us option to upgrade to premium accounts, so you don't have to ask anyone to donate...

That's what happens, you provide a service for free, and eventually the niggers lower classes are going to become dependent on it. How many times must we tell you not to feed the bears. Make them pay for it, so they can learn to stand on their own two feet and pull themselves up.

That's how I see it at least.

Atleast buy a ballpit with that much dough

Where are the XChan sites getting their funding?

Maybe if you slack jawed faggots didn't shitpost so goddamned much we wouldn't be running up 6,000 dollar monthly server costs.

How did you get a hold of my passwords?

Them commodore 64 super-clusters cost money.

I agree, I would like to have more transparency on the costs and what is needed for Voat to stay online. I love Voat and I lurk here everyday and would hate for it to dismiss, but without transparency it really isn't worth it imo.

Why would he spend 4 years on Voat and then lie though? What's in it for him? 6 grand? If that's all he wanted he could have worked a 9-5 in an office for a couple of months. The way I see it, if Voat shuts down he's in an even worse position, losing what he started, so I doubt he'd be asking for it if it wasn't true. If he just wanted quick cash he could have asked for less and then called our bluff and kept Voat going regardless. If he doesn't get that money, he's going to lose Voat. I doubt he'd wager the whole site on a few grand.

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I don't think they are blowing the money either unless you consider that azure is blowing money.

Trendy "cloud" service?

Dammm, I would have thought going with voat and building it into a more profitable service or did side gigs to pay the bills.

Question is does voat really cost 6k if it were on a different stack????

Or you could reach out to the community and source free help to some extent. So many things could have been done if they just asked ...

One thing I really like is that this post will stay up. Say what you want, but the admins value freedom of speech.

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That's what happens when you use non-free products to host your platform. License costs are always fucking ridiculous and overpriced for what they actually offer.

Putt should reach out to the community, find some competent developers and work hard to port Voat's code to an open standard which does not require expensive ass licensing to host.

@WHITEPOWER_ranger, We aren't just a forums board through and through.

We have nested comments. That sounds like it wouldn't be a big deal but it means a lot more comments and it means multiple database calls to get all the comments.

On a linear forum you would just ask the database one question 'SELECT * FROM comments WHERE post=?'

But on this you need to say 'SELECT * FROM comments WHERE parent=post' -> forEach(comment) -> 'SELECT * FROM comments WHERE parent=comment' //Then cycle it through over and over and over again.

That means it has to do a database query for every comment on the page looking for additional comments.

But Asians, east indians, and Hispanics hate niggers too, right?

It seems high, but that $5880 portion is just the cost of doing business... :)

Apparently you have never played around with the Windows Azure pricing calculator before. A total cloud based hosting setup under Windows Azure can get costly pretty quickly. I was actually surprised to see it's only $6K/month to run Voat. Everyone and their grandma is throwing out opinions on how the Voat infrastructure and software should be run/developed but we can only take unknowing stabs in the dark at what rewriting it to run on Linux or setting up colocation hosting would actually cost in terms of money and manpower. If it's so damn easy and cheap, well then there would be a lot more options for forums like this since apparently 99% of Voat users know how to do it better than Putt or Atko. Yeah, I said it. And stop calling for all this bullshit transparency. Putt does not owe us transparency nor should we act self-righteous and demand it because we like to run up his Azure hosting bill shit posting here. Voat talks a big game about free markets but here we are standing in the way of the very man providing us with this venue and complaining that he's not telling us how much money is coming out of his own pockets to keep the servers running. Again, if anyone here thinks running Voat the way Putt is doing is wrong, well then go make your own version- with blackjack and hookers. When the bills pile up for you too then just remember to come back here and tell us how great the adventure was. We'll be here still.

How would you suggest users "discourage" WP speech?

This is how I feel. I will not donate until we get a detailed game-plan. $6k seems high. Puttitout mentioned licensing costs here and many users suggested porting Voat away from these licensing costs. If @Puttitout can provide a solid plan to minimize Voat's expenses, I'll gladly donate.

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