effusive_ermine ago

ITT, no one understands what a warrant canary is.

SaneGoatiSwear ago

right?!

Dereliction ago

I don't disagree at all. But faking a canary is in a different ballpark than even what we've seen with Lavabit. I'm just saying that, so far, we don't have evidence of the government taking such a deceptive measure. So far. Skepticism is always justified.

squidicuz ago

gg

SaneGoatiSwear ago

i have evolved.

no longer the dark goat voat needed. not wanted.

now.

I AM THE GOATKU ᕙ (⊙‿⊙)ᕗ and my power level is increasing

IfIDidIt ago

There are some downvoat bots that follow sane around and alternate which one gets used for which comment. Scroll through to find how many different "cygnus_" plus gibberish accounts are in this thread alone being a cunt to sane.

hunter4 ago

what do you means passed the 30 day mark

SaneGoatiSwear ago

standard canaries all around have to be pressed by 30 days or we users must assume voat/admins have been served with some sort of speech-limiting legal device such as a publication ban, injunction, super in junction, gag (corporate, gov't personal,) fisa order, ns request* ns requests might not count anymore just the rest of 'em.

all it does is tell us something we'd never be ever able to know because these gags can't make the admins lie, just not speak certain truth.

so they can't make them press that button.

it would be lying to say they have no gags when they have a gag.

so by pressing it once a month regularly,

if they ever stop for more than that month

we must INFER that there is a gag, and act accordingly

because these things literally are designed to make it so we can never know. and here we get to know! ... :( voat's been served with some sort of gag... :(

SaneGoatiSwear ago

THE TRUTH SHALL SET US FREEEEEEE

#I AM THE GOATKU ᕙ (⊙‿⊙)ᕗ

SaneGoatiSwear ago

#I AM THE GOATKU ᕙ (⊙‿⊙)ᕗ

YOU CANNOT FORGET IT NOW.

THE CCP LEVELS ARE STILL WELL OVER 9000

AFTER THE SHILL ATTACK ON GOATKU OVER THE LAST FEW DAYS

MY POWER LEVEL HAS GONE DOWN OVER 2000!

BUT I AM 9000! ALMOST AT THE LIMIT FOR MY HANDY MAGICALLY-ATTACHES-TO-FACE POWR LEVEL READER!

go1dfish ago

They really need to put an expected interval on that thing.

SaneGoatiSwear ago

30 DAYS IS THE INTERNET-WIDE ACCEPTED NORM

also, i told putt about the 30 days IN the linked canary post

literally go to the like second or third last comment chain in the whole thread lol

#I AM THE GOATKU ᕙ (⊙‿⊙)ᕗ

SaneGoatiSwear ago

look at my comment history man

i do my best to respond to EVERY SINGLE GOAT!

be serious

fuck off i am sane goat you cannot assume anything about what i may nand/nor be.


to answer your question, have you heard of a lexophile?

it's like that. but with numbers. like a numerophile or w/e.

i got to those numbers and they're just tooo hrrrng to change. it coincided with voat being compromised, and i stopped voating as a protest against censorship on voat.

thanks for asking!

also, know

I AM NOW NO LONGER THE DARK GOAT.

I AM THE GOATKU ᕙ (⊙‿⊙)ᕗ

SaneGoatiSwear ago

IT IS THERE TO SHOW I AM THE GOATKU. MY POWER LEVEL. IT'S OFF THE CHARTS!!!

SaneGoatiSwear ago

i am a sane goat, i swear.

  • official response of

THE GOATKU

niggerfaggot1488 ago

Hey guys anyone know why there has been a flower delivery truck across my street all week? The company name on the truck is "Flowers by Irene" can't find a yelp review. Anyways may mohammad bless you.

SaneGoatiSwear ago

standard canary is for 30 days. put was aware.

I_AM_SPARTACUS_00001 ago

So much bullshit

jinbnters ago

Fuck off, a warrant canary is important. Even though Sane has been.. interesting lets say as of late, he is corrrect on this occassion

Rotteuxx ago

You're replying to a (possible) bot setup to harass SaneGoat... or just someone with way too much time on their hands for account switching.

SaneGoatiSwear ago

https://voat.co/v/ideasforvoat/1539820/7496653?CONTEXT=2

PUTTITOUT ON while this post is front page.

SaneGoatiSwear ago

in a week or so

that's what the fucking month is FOR

I WANT TO POINT OUT THAT 20 OR SO HOURS AGO ATKO CAME ON AND UPDATED THE FEATURED SUB AND HAD A NOTIFICATION POSTED TO HIM ABOUT THE CANARY YESTERDAY.

antiracistNew ago

Of course voat is compromised. Doesn't stop you from enjoying it.

@crensch eats shit.

See?

SaneGoatiSwear ago

correct.

the fact is in good faith the admins put it up, didn't have a bot clicking it

and knew the 30 day rule.

we have to assume voat has been served. with either an injunction, super injunction, publication ban, gag (corporate, gov't, personal, judge, who knows), fisa order, or possibly ns letters*.

*ns letters may already be being used to force subject to lie rendering canaries useless for ns letters.

ALL IT MEANS IS WE KNOW.

WE KNOW VOAT HAS BEEN SERVED.

BECAUSE THOSE GAG TYPES (NOT NESS. INCLUDING NS LETTERS) CAN NOT FORCE THEM TO ACTIVELY LIE, MEANING, THEY CAN'T FORCE THEM TO PRESS THAT BUTTON.

so with the button not pressed within the pre arranged timeframe, we know

FOR A FACT

voat/admins are fucking gagged.

antiracistNew ago

@Crensch gags on shit.

IfIDidIt ago

It means it's time to begin scoping out new places and making backup plans so we aren't splintered into oblivion when the inevitable happens to this site/community. Would be premature to abandon now, but stupid to not have alternatives lined up. In my experience, this means the slow death is coming. We still have at bare minimum, six months to abandon ship successfully. More than likely we have three years before this place will be completely unrecognizable.

The formula is the same every time, you won't see it happening but some of the seeds have been down. Have you not noticed the sheer amount of subs that direct link to garbage sites now while simultaneously banning @derram bot that automatically makes archives?

What about that @henrycorp mod that mods like an SJW faggot in his little corner of voat, controlling leftist messages and ideology. Or how about @thunderlark who has multiple subs devoted to helping downvoat bots, alts, shills, and trolls bypass the 100 CCP requirement? If you read the content of some of his subs there, he regrets not naming it for Lord Spez (reddit admin) and in general is a place for those types to get easy CCP.

Another thing you'll notice or won't will be "celebrity" harassment. That's the power users of the site that you have likely seen around from time to time. You may or may not like what they bring to the table, but you've likely noticed them. Users like @LockeProposal @sanegoatiswear @kosherhivekicker etc. that tend to contribute will be harassed by a dedicated but small group. Probably those v/SBBH faggots if we're being totally honest. But they will be relentlessly and consistently attacked in an effort to force those types of users off the site altogether.

The people who do this sort of thing are a little predictable, but it is an unfortunately effective tactic to begin implementing control of a social media platform.

With the power users I mentioned, watch, basically everything they say/do will have odd downvoats and oftentimes vicious and cruel comments thrown their way pretty regularly.

derram ago

So far I've been banned from:

banned = ['BloomCounty', 'HistoricImages', 'BeNiceToPeople', 'goodnews', 'UltraWideWallpapers', 'altnews', 'DavidGXTUBE', 'Gifs2', 'celebrities', 'movies', 'Xsmall', 'dirtysmall']

HashTagFU ago

I'm sensing a pattern here.

IfIDidIt ago

Honestly, I feel like you don't want to make waves when it happens cause you're a nice person, but all of voat needs to be up in arms when your bot gets banned.

bdmthrfkr ago

Well, those guys are assholes, I love your bot, it gets around a lot of paywalls.

Fuck those guys.

SaneGoatiSwear ago

*** IT AIN'T EFFECTIVE AGAINST ME, BRO. I MEAN I ENJOYED READING THIS COMMENT BUT ON THAT ONEFUCKING POINT YOU ARE WRONG AS FUCK BRO. WHEN THEY ATTEMPT, I GROW. I AM NO LONGER THE DARK GOAT.***

i am goatku.

HashTagFU ago

Actually I'm pretty sure your username is no longer...valid. Maybe it never was. I mean crazy people don't know they're crazy, right? And if you deny it then that tells me everything I need to know. What say you?

IfIDidIt ago

Lol, I didn't mean it's effective 100 percent of the time my friend, just that it's a tactic that gets employed. Locke WAS forced off the site successfully once before after all.

SaneGoatiSwear ago

no wonder they defended him so hard against me. lol

the shills are hard on for me. kek.

IfIDidIt ago

Be careful though brother, if the canary is gone and Amalek is genuinely being investigated, then they may look to employ alternative tactics. 14/deus vult.

SaneGoatiSwear ago

not only is the canary past due, atko was on 20 hours ago updating the featured sub.

(((oy vey)))

it may be too early to say

but fuck it why not

HI THEIL HOW ARE YOU TODAY. ARE YOU ENJOYING OWNING VOAT? QUICK WHATEVER LACKEY JUST READ THIS, GO RUN IT TO HIM, THIS IS A MESSAGE FROM SANEGOAT TO THEIL

HI BRO! THANKS FOR KEEPING VOAT FUNDED, ALLEGEDLY. OR IF NOT, THEN NO THANKS!

ANYWAY, CHEERS ON BEING ALIVE. IT'S A GOOD THING, RIGHT?

GREAT!

OK TO BUSINESS

YOU COME DEAL WITH US GOATS FACE ON. MAKE AN ACCOUNT IF YOU DON'T HAVE ONE

PROVE IT'S YOU

AND DO AN AMA. AND BE KNOWN.

if of course that's some bullshit then w'e disregard, non-existent lackey.

thanks ifididit for being cool with this wierd ass comment :) oh wait did you say careful?

free speech, not just freezed peaches.

IfIDidIt ago

Lol, I love it. Scrap earlier comment, never change my friend.

piratse ago

the warrant canary makes no sense. If the FBI, or whomever were to take over voat, you don't think they would also take over the warrant canary?

clamhurt_legbeard ago

A warrant canary is for gag orders, to get around a court saying you're not allowed to tell people you're under indictment.

It's not designed to counter actual infiltration by the government.

It works on the theory that a court can't order someone to lie, merely not tell a secret truth.

SaneGoatiSwear ago

this is how gags (corporate, gov't, personal etc), injunctions, superinjunctions, fisa orders, publication bans and ns letters* works:

they can stop you from telling a truth, like a part of a contract to not tell corporate info to a spouse.

but they can't force you to lie

with the admins regularly pressing the button within 30 days we KNOW by inferring that one of the above silencing-tools has been put in place because it stops being regularly pressed within the defined interval.

these silencing-tools can't force them to press a button saying they haven't gotten one when they have, that's a lie.

the ONLY PURPOSE OF THIS TOOL IS SO THAT WE THE WORLD KNOW THE FACT ABOUT SOMETHING THAT IS LITERALLY DESIGNED TO KEEP THE ONLY PEOPLE WHO KNOW ABOUT IT FROM TELLING US.

it's a knowledge-dissemination-protection tool.

and it just sadly worked.

inb4 admins were busy/vacationing/omg something fucking else.

*ns letters May be already being used to force lies. warrant canaries cannot be considered useful FOR NS LETTERS ONLY, simply because they may be used to force lies.

DiscontentedMajority ago

It's not about taking over Voat.

The point of warrant canaries is that National security letters and secret warrants typically include verbiage that state that the recipient is not permitted to state that they have or have not received said document.

As such, once you receive one, you're not actually allowed by law to continue posting your warrant canary, as that would be stating you have not received it.

ginx2666 ago

Because US alphabet agencies give a fuck about legality of their action when it comes to blackmailing people, sure. Anyone that trusts warrant canaries to warn of possible compromising is a gullible fucking retard, that's what.

piratse ago

yeah, and what stops the government from updating it themselves? They've already taken over your site, you don't think they can't take over a canary update?

Dereliction ago

If they actually took over the site, nothing might stop them. But that isn't the concern so much as that they've asked Voat to reveal user information or participate in some sort of compromising scenario. The government probably doesn't have an interest in running the site so long as they can force all interactions on it to be revealed.

Beyond, faking a canary would set a precedent. It's something we've, to date, never seen the government do. That's not to say they won't or haven't, but it's a less probable scenario so far.

OcculusResurrectio ago

They haven't in any other instance. The warrant canary flat out works.

clamhurt_legbeard ago

A warrant canary is for gag orders, to get around a court saying you're not allowed to tell people you're under indictment.

It's not designed to counter actual infiltration by the government.

It works on the theory that a court can't order someone to lie, merely not tell a secret truth.

edit: this went to the wrong post, somehow...

piratse ago

you don't know that. You've personally looked into all warrant Canaries that exist and verified that the government never manipulated it?

OcculusResurrectio ago

I dont get your theory here? Is the govt infiltrating and taking away the canary to fuck with the site? If that is the case, then it means the site is still compromised.

fujin ago

Don't let @sanegoatiswear scare tactics get to you. He's just having another episode.

If any government agency wants your info on the web they will have it and use it against you, warrant or not.

Womb_Raider ago

@agilemittens to add to this, the canary not being updated is worrying. I think they update it on a roughly monthly basis, so either it will happen soon, or* perhaps (in)SaneGoatiSwear could be right. But there's no need to jump the gun and say definitively that we're compromised.

He jumps to conclusions far too often and it keeps people from taking him seriously, myself included.

SaneGoatiSwear ago

they were doing it every few days to a couple weeks well within a month for months.

fujin ago

Dunno if you ever had a full time job before or work independent, however when you work for a company full time it's difficult to keep up with hobbies like these and all the little demands that are required.

These two guys are learning things as they go along, @atko has even stated that he started this site to learn to program better... I'm sure they would appreciate if you didn't turn this into a burden for them @sanegoatiswear.

SaneGoatiSwear ago

i appreciate and understand your sentiment.

keep that in mind whenyou read my sentiment:

greycloud ago

i just assume if its on the internet that it is compromised.

CIAEatsShit ago

If you type it into a computer its known by everybody, there fixed for you, been this way since computers were invented.

If you want to keep a secret, never put it near a computer, or any electronic device.

SaneGoatiSwear ago

bro, the internet is 100% compromised. see nsa laying shit on underwater cables, tapping all phones, all webcams doing deals with microsoft and a dozen other companies such as pc hardware companies to install backdoors lol microsoft and nsa like 12 years open business deals

ffs

OF COURSE THE FUCKING DARPA NET IS COMPROMISED.

THE PURPOSE OF THE WARRANT CANARY IS TO INFORM US OF SOMETHING LITERALLY DESIGNED TO STOP US FROM EVER KNOWING ABOUT IT.

IT'S A KNOWLEDGE-DISSEMINATION-PROTECTION TOOL. AND IT JUST WORKED :( :(

NOTE, ATKO CHANGED THE FEATURED SUB 22 HOURS AGO.

EDIT: @PUTTITOUT BEING TOLD ABOUT 1 MONTH NORMAL PRESS TIME



PUTTITOUT WASON VOAT while this post is front page. https://voat.co/v/ideasforvoat/1539820/7496653?CONTEXT=2

CIAEatsShit ago

U know that VOAT is owned by NSA ( Thiel Palantir ), so it was compromised at birth, and is largely nothing more than a chatter feed to Thiel Palantir which is a pre-crime software package for NSA.

IMHO the purpose of VOAT is that its a tunable box that gives false-positives/false-negatives clue to compare the known world with the unknown, given NSA(Thiel) has universal control over Voat they can develop any thing here, test the response and then release into the wild.

MY old retired NSA friends always like to point out what the NSA looks for is a cackle of geese meeting or communicating, in one common location, electronic or physical. That put's up their antenna.

The lone-wolf is a threat, but an impossible threat to counter; The group, is easy to catch; Just watch the formation of groups and act.

sakuramboo ago

Amalek did say that he was being investigated. Maybe that was the one time he was truthful.

IfIDidIt ago

Really? God dammit.

stillinit ago

Source?

stillinit ago

Looks like he's suspisious and speculating there.

MrPim ago

It was a thread about a month ago.

Womb_Raider ago

Wait... is Amalek still around?

MrPim ago

I think he's been keeping a low profile. But I think he's around.

Womb_Raider ago

Ah, good. He sure was annoying back in the day but someone's gotta ask the JQ