Wrap your mind around that. Two generations of White men have been classified as 2nd class citizens in the country that their fathers, grandfathers, great-grandfathers... back to 1776... fought and died for... all in the name of SOCIAL JUSTICE. They have been denied employment, promotions and access to higher learning based solely on the color of their skin.
It's only gotten worse over the years.
White men are labeled as evil racists, but White men never offered a course in a University called "The Problems With Blackness" or "Homosexuals Need to Adapt to Society"
When this shit ends, and it will end, it's going to be real bad for the left. Their days are coming to an end. In a very bad way.
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Ho-Chi-Min-Me ago
What happened in 1947 that caused white men to be discriminated against by law?
You do realize blacks were enslaved for more than one hundred years, and were actual second class citizens by law for another one hundred, right? How is giving blacks affirmative action not fair to make up for those hundreds of years of oppression? You're bitching about 70 years of extremely mild oppression? Imagine hundreds of years of more direct oppression. I don't think anyone besides blacks should get affirmative action, though, and they should only get it because of their unique history in our country.
Also, quit acting like a victim, you faggot. You don't beat victim culture by becoming a victim.
CrazyInAnInsaneWorld ago
Pick one. You don't get to say it's unfair when a system acts weightedly in the benefit of a racial class (Whites), then turn around and demand the system act weightedly in the benefit of a racial class (Blacks).
Ya' damn hypocrite...
Ho-Chi-Min-Me ago
It's unfair in the literal sense of the word in both cases. But I would think a rational person could see how rather minute affirmative action is more than fair to make up for massive discrimination in hiring and schooling that blacks experienced for hundreds of years.
CrazyInAnInsaneWorld ago
Yeah, no. The only thing you're concerned about is giving one specific class of people special treatment under the law, and dressing it up in the language of "social justice" and "public assistance" to make it more palatable. That's not equality of opportunity; hell, it doesn't even ensure equality of outcome, judging by the results of the past 40+ years of your Affirmative Action experiment, and it doesn't even begin to approach what any rational person would consider to be "fair".
What you're suggesting is Nepotism, plain and simple. Polish a turd, and it's still a turd.
Ho-Chi-Min-Me ago
Well, no it's not nepotism. And I'm not putting in the language of social justice. I'm saying, why not give these specific people a little extra advantage in hiring and schooling for some period of time to help them out from hundreds of years of oppression?
CrazyInAnInsaneWorld ago
We've been doing so for more than half a century (JFK was the first person to use the term "Affirmative Action", and LBJ was the first President to implement it into policy). And yet the rate at which they have improved their own lot has been disastrous, even with huge amounts of government assistance and favoritism, or as you term it, 'a little extra advantage'. How many untold trillions in taxpayer dollars are you planning on throwing into this money pit, if the $22 Trillion spent since Lyndon Baines Johnson first started his "War on Poverty" and 50+ years of government favoritism, or as it should be called, racism in favor of blacks, hasn't been enough to lift them out of poverty?
If the definition of insanity is repeating the same process and expecting a different result, then supporting these policies should be grounds for admission to Bedlam Asylum. The first step to fixing any problem, is admitting you have a problem in the first place. It's time to admit this is a failed policy, and begin looking at viable alternatives. Doubling down on the same failed policies helps nobody, and as the above-linked report shows, leaves the population less capable of dealing with poverty and less capable of self-sufficiency than previous generations by increasing intergenerational dependency.
Seriously, put down the spoon and needle...this is an intervention.
Ho-Chi-Min-Me ago
Are you under the impression that that 22 trillion went exclusively to affirmative action or to blacks? Because that's not what the war on poverty is. And yes, the war on poverty is a failure like most wars on concepts, and also due to the fact that LBJ along with every president since him (minus maybe Carter) has been using the "war on poverty" as an excuse to enrich the rich. They're aren't trying to help the poor any more than the war on drugs was designed to help people get off of drugs. It's all scams to enrich people with power.
How does sixty years of affirmative action make up for more than one hundred years of systematic de-education, inability legally to hold a job, and enslavement? How do they make up for the subsequent hundred years of being classified as separate? When was the first black person invited to the white house? Look it up. You say we keep repeating the same process - the process just started! You want two three generations to get this small benefit and that's supposed to make up for literally being prevented from having jobs, from being charged with bullshit crimes so you could be re-enslaved, from being unable to vote?
CrazyInAnInsaneWorld ago
So because it was a bad thing to treat them as inequals under the law, which I'm not disputing mind you, you want to reverse that dynamic against whites and give blacks "Special Treatment" as you so call it, for, I can only guess, 29 more years (From the nations' founding in 1977 until the 13th Amendment was passed was 88 years. Any Slavery before that falls purely on the fault of the British Crown. LBJ Started implementing AA Policies in 1963, until today marks 54 years of Affirmative Action, meaning 29 more years if you want a year-for-year support of AA for every year of Slavery). The process just started? No, we're already past the halfway point, even if we grant your argument of being able to hold today's populace responsible for the crimes of their ancestors legitimacy, which is a ridiculous idea on it's face. We're quickly approaching the 75% timeline-to-deadline mark, and your policies haven't even begun to make even the slightest dent. Even if we were to grant the argument that we should hold today's populace to the standard "Privilege Argument" that they must allow special treatment to make up for those years of oppression (88 years, by any fair standard, if we're to take that line of argument), these policies have failed miserably at their intended goal. It's a failed policy, even if we grant it's premise that we have to violate the constitution and give preferential; treatment based upon skin color, a premise that blacks screamed was unfair when they were victims of that same system and were not the beneficiaries as they are today, legitimacy.
No, fuck you and fuck your special treatment. Either you can be treated as equals under the law, or the law can favor one racial class over another. You don't get to have your cake and eat it to, by demanding equal treatment when the law benefits you to, and demanding special treatment when equality works against you. And if you want to make the argument for the law to favor one racial class over another, you then need to make the argument as to why all of those blacks should not already be back on the plantations, because you've just undermined your own argument for repealing slavery, namely that the law should treat everyone equally.
Ho-Chi-Min-Me ago
The practical purpose of affirmative action was to get blacks into the workforce, as the people doing hiring were discriminating against blacks. Affirmative action has worked, many blacks are now part of the workforce. And I think affirmative action should be only for blacks, which is not anti-white, it's simply pro-black, and as I've said repeatedly, I think that kind of relief is justified based on the history - even just from a practical point of view, if you de-educate a population, get them accustom to not working but being enslaved, and disallow them to pass on money, you can't just throw them into a modern capitalistic framework and expect them to be able to compete. And if you do nothing, then you have a de-educated, angry populace who resorts to crime.