Wrap your mind around that. Two generations of White men have been classified as 2nd class citizens in the country that their fathers, grandfathers, great-grandfathers... back to 1776... fought and died for... all in the name of SOCIAL JUSTICE. They have been denied employment, promotions and access to higher learning based solely on the color of their skin.
It's only gotten worse over the years.
White men are labeled as evil racists, but White men never offered a course in a University called "The Problems With Blackness" or "Homosexuals Need to Adapt to Society"
When this shit ends, and it will end, it's going to be real bad for the left. Their days are coming to an end. In a very bad way.
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Ho-Chi-Min-Me ago
What happened in 1947 that caused white men to be discriminated against by law?
You do realize blacks were enslaved for more than one hundred years, and were actual second class citizens by law for another one hundred, right? How is giving blacks affirmative action not fair to make up for those hundreds of years of oppression? You're bitching about 70 years of extremely mild oppression? Imagine hundreds of years of more direct oppression. I don't think anyone besides blacks should get affirmative action, though, and they should only get it because of their unique history in our country.
Also, quit acting like a victim, you faggot. You don't beat victim culture by becoming a victim.
dontforgetaboutevil ago
Because two wrongs don't make a right?
But also because as a living man in my lifetime I was never a part of what was done to the ancestors of other people today who did not themselves suffer those acts.
And if you want to talk about my inherited privileges well fuck you I grew up in a trailer park. I buried my father when I was 15 and my grandmother when I was 19. Since then I've been mostly on my own without a fucking thing from the past to aid me.
I don't owe anybody in this country a goddamned thing. Least of all do I owe them primacy of place!
P.s. As for all this past nonsense! Where are my reparations for what the Romans did to Britain? Those wop ass Italians owe me a check and it hasn't shown up yet.
P.P.s oh yeah my mom was adopted. A lot of her family is Cherokee I came to find out later. So how fucking much do I owe the descendants of slaves as a descendant of fucking genocide?!
Ho-Chi-Min-Me ago
Okay, let's pretend it's 1965. Do blacks deserve affirmative action? You can no longer say - "that stuff was in the past." It's 1965, blacks had been directly discriminated against for hundreds of years. The civil rights act has just passed. Do blacks living in 1965 deserve affirmative action?
dontforgetaboutevil ago
Jobs should go to the most qualified. Nobody should get preference and especially not just because of race.
And what you gotta see is that affirmative action ensures that white people and black people will never unite to demand what is really in both of our best interests. That is increased investment in the US economy to the point where labor is in high demand. So high that businesses couldn't afford to be prejudiced against anyone.
Ho-Chi-Min-Me ago
So blacks in 1965 didn't deserve some form of relief? Why? They had faced direct oppression often paid for by states or the federal government.
dontforgetaboutevil ago
Relief is one thing. But taking it from citizens in the form of their job opportunities isn't the way to go about it. That is just going to spread the poverty around instead of really alleviating it.
Also repaying people and making things right isn't really what government's do. It's almost damn near impossible to get one to change it's mind about something like slavery or jim crow laws or genocide or marijuana. But when it does nobody really gets a paycheck, 40 acres and a mule. And even sometimes when the government says people will get that. They still don't.
I think that relief for black communities is something that is still needed to this very day. But I won't give up my job to another man just because he's black. My kids need stuff too.
There are other ways.
Ho-Chi-Min-Me ago
So you'd prefer the poverty just stay in the black community? Of course there are tons of poor whites, but why do you not look at them with the same pull yourself up by your bootstraps mentality? They can't outperform blacks who were directly oppressed for hundreds of years and systematically de-educated for many of those? Blacks had to overcome genuine sometimes violent oppression, and many did and became successful. So what? Are poor whites so lazy they can't overcome mild oppression in hiring under certain circumstances? Cry me a river.
But I do agree that it would preferable had black people been directly relieved and not through affirmative action for the very reason you stated. Unfortunately the government would rather have blacks become like whites - easily exploitable workers.
dontforgetaboutevil ago
You aren't trying to find justice in this you are just trying to retaliate. I told you that I was in favor of relief for black community and by extension also to poor white communities. The truth is that poor rural white people and poor inner city black people are both suffering from the same systemic problems of poverty and both situations could be addressed with the same pieces of legislation and aid.
Because school funding in the US is based on property taxes poor people get terrible educations. But worse than the lack of education is the feeling of being imprisoned by the school without actually being educated there or equipped there to succeed. Uncoupling school funding from property taxes would go along way towards alleviating systemic and historical poverty in this country. It would also reduce crime.
At least here then we can have some agreement. I hate to see people suffering and their skin color doesn't change how I feel about it. I have always hated suffering. Especially the way it just breaks people and can make them into animals. Healing that aint easy.