You are far too transparent with your one-sided fake news. Lotta emotive twists on things here - "vile" "purposely malicious", etc. Is this supposed to upset someone into responding? Lazy low effort shilling doesn't get a response from me.
Maybe someone else here has the time to entertain a shill trying to slide the board but I don't. We have a clear focus around here: Q drop discussion. False accusations are a waste of our time and the time of those in our community who come here to hear about Q. When a legit community member puts a question to me, I'll answer it. I don't play into shill games or the games of those with an agenda other than discovering the truth.
TLDR; zzzzz... next. True Patriots, ask me about any concern you have about me and I will answer - I can't speak for others but I can certainly vouch for them.
This is a completely inaccurate assessment of what OP @kneo24 brought and sourced.
Please, consider the claim directed at you.
It is:
@DrogeAnon: You deleted a ‘well thought out critical post’ just a few hours before saying you would not do such a thing.
I appreciate that you claim discussing/disseminating Q drops is the board’s primary focus. However, the claim made (and directed at you) is actually 100% true, despite your disagreement with a descriptive adjective.
That was not a 'well thought out critical post' imo therefore I saw that as more shillery but ok, fair call, I will answer the claim directed at me.
In my opinion that was far from a 'well thought out critical post' it was an example of someone who misrepresented themselves to a number of us on the mod team and then waited for an opportunity to catch someone out, jump to conclusions and post it in our thread in an attempt to throw more blame at us. We have literally ZERO obligation to care what anyone has to say about us on the internet and we are only focused on Q drop discussion so people who are either intentionally trying to create false narratives about us or who have some anxiety over some past deletion of their content and can't let it go and spend far too much time watching our actions so they can jump on the next slip up they see and proudly splash it all over our board are not our "go to" for quality content.
I mean what I said - if I see a quality post complaining about moderation, even though it's offtopic, due to the culture here where any deletion is treated by some dishonestly as "malicious censorship", I would advocate that the post be left (I can't speak for other mods at all times - not everyone's assessment of whether it's 'worthy of being left' is the same so if, when I'm not on, some other mod sees it and thinks differently but there's no one else around at the time to discuss it with, they may choose to remove. No "lies" or dishonesty, just the reality of a team working at different times.)
A post that completely ignores our repeated claims that we are definitely not affiliated with NeonRevolt and he is not a part of the mod team, we did not come to Voat with bad intentions and ignore all the feedback - we simply run out of comments and are unable to post - and so on, will be removed because it's not genuine concern it's game-playing anti-mod nonsense and no one who subs to this verse wants to see it. We want to see Q drop discussion, not butthurt or shilling. And our job is to help keep the feed ontopic, not to respond to trolls. We have no obligation and will do so only for the sake of genuine community members or reasonable, respectful queries like yours. Thank you.
Thank you for your reply. I sincerely thank you for your candor and civility. I may have more to ask later once I have more time to see what the team says, but for now I will just keep it to what jumps out.
we are only focused on Q drop discussion
I have trouble reconciling that with the whole movement drama and why the royal we would come to Voat taking a strong stance about being official Q drop mods/discussion in a new place.
If the emphasis is only on Q drop discussion, then why divide it into ‘official brand vs brand X?’
Second, assuming
we are definitely not affiliated with NeonRevolt
to be true: How is it that @NeonRevolt is able to make his* blog posts while claiming the same royal we privilege as the mods? This doesn’t mesh with your denial of affiliation one bit. Stickying of NR’s blog establishing Q-follower hierarchy also does not lend itself to the denial. Is there a way you can reconcile or explain this?
If the emphasis is only on Q drop discussion, then why divide it into ‘official brand vs brand X?’
This is a very pertinent question. Here's my position on it - again I can't speak for others wholly, but of course I'm aware that, as a team we are generally in the same mind about this as many discussions were had at the time. It was a very busy and crazy time, however. Some things fell by the wayside. Some things were done with minimum discussion between the team. Ultimately, however, the most active of us were onboard with most of what occurred (I say "most", purely out of caution - I can't remember every detail of what went on but I know I was glad to be working with the team I knew in dealing with it and that gives me the confidence to make the assertion that most of what occured was agreed on by most).
Qresearch stepped in and said they were setting up a board for us so we'll never lose a 'home' again. Godsend. We hadn't had close ties before but I think the brazen DS action of Reddit incensed them and drew them to our cause. Frankly, as you may know if you've looked around, rumors about v/GA being comped were already well established - just as they were about us* - but as we had no time to look into it in depth we knew we had to just create our own sub rather than trying to figure out what was going on with them or muscle in on theirs. We had no time. Our sub was already gone. And the community we moderated trusted us and wanted to see us set something up for them that would run similarly.
We couldn't vouch for v/GA or take them over so we had no other option. Those who say they would have told their community of people 'hey, go over there and we'll see you later' are not being honest or have no perspective of the responsibility someone feels for a group of people you care about. We'd all heard, like anyone, what Voat was like and we knew a large part of our community wasn't quite ready for it due to the reports and messages we'd responded to in our time on r/GA over content that would look like kindergarten content to Voat. So we felt an obligation to those people and a desire to see our sub feed continue because it kept us interested in Q too. The 'strong stance' was simply a clear message to our community about where they would find us. We had no idea how we were going to achieve the same thing we'd done on Reddit but we didn't have time to research and plan because we were already homeless. So we leapt before we looked and we did what we could.
v/GA has always existed freely alongside what we had - this would be no different. Given the involvement of Qresearch in setting something up for us we would also be separate from v/GA in that way - the same team who ran r/GA would be running 8ch/PA and v/tA.
No ill will was intended toward v/GA. No thought of splitting the movement or anything like that factored in. We just needed a home and people wanted to know where we'd gone. Many of us had experienced the same loss when CBTS went down and we knew the frustration when no news could be found of where to go. That's why Q-tubers and others stepped up to spread the message about the new boards. Simply so that those who lost r/GA could find it again. All this drama over v/GA is not of our doing - the mods I've spoken to here never received any communications from srayzie; if s/he sent us any it was either under an alt or somehow mysteriously missing from our inboxes - and the drama is frankly not in our interest, just as the false drama generated against us on Reddit was not our doing and we chose to ignore it rather than turn the focus from Q to us.
Those who wonder why we didn't plan something in advance - we had many discussions about it but see below re: availability of volunteers across timezones and living real lives. The sub was so active and growing and we were so conscious of avoiding the fate of CBTS_Stream and being banned for allowing violent content that we practically camped our queue and our NEW feed zealously guarding against anything that might bring the sub down and therefore had no time for anything else.
That's how you can know that any Mainstream claims that we 'allowed violent content for months' are, as ever, exaggerated lies. Violent content existed, yes, but it was always removed as soon as we saw it. Comments from other subs who had no love for us also confirmed this. One example from many comments made on subs or messaged to us: "GA was moderated tight. All the news claim about it is untrue. Quite the opposite." Inb4 "censorship!" - we protected our sub from Reddit taking it down for breaches of Rules 1 and 2. We were tighter than many other subs on Reddit in this area. Yet they still brought our sub down for breaches of Rules 1 and 2.
How is it that @NeonRevolt is able to make his* blog posts while claiming the same royal we privilege as the mods?
The royal "we", as far as I know it, is a reference to the Q movement and those who uphold it. It has no status or exclusivity. If you're a True Patriot and you support Q within all he has said then you're "we" too. I'd be happy to address whatever specific references if I could but the best person to ask about NeonRevolt's statements is NeonRevolt, certainly not me, who has never spoken to him before.
Stickying of NeonRevolt is very simple - he was talking about where we'd gone and why. He helped us answer a question we couldn't because we can't post here. Some of his points had also been dug and discovered by some on our mod team. I was not one of those so I can't go into that more. Therefore, some of us had reason to sticky the post for those elements as well. As always with stickies on this sub or reddit, we don't have to all agree that a specific post should be stickied. Whoever happens to be on at the time may discuss someone's idea to sticky a post - sometimes a mod believes something is inarguably sticky worthy and just stickies it. Sometimes others have seen the post afterward (maybe even immediately after), disagreed, and taken it down - sometimes with discussion, sometimes not. This is a necessary facet of moderation, I believe.
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It seems some things need to be made clear to people with genuine questions about the mod team. There are others who do not have genuine questions and are simply trying to create division and take our time from Q focus to fighting trolls. This next section is for the former. You'll be able to tell the latter as they'll ignore most of the points and our intent presented here.
We are a team of volunteers. We were selected initially by r/GreatAwakening's creator and lead mod (in all but title), HowiONic. Her, and the mods with her at the time, took time to select each of us. Each of us was familiar with Q, could answer a basic quiz about the drops, and had a history of interaction on the subreddit with the community so tone and demeanor could be determined to some degree. The vetting process could take a week plus.
All of us had and continued to develop a strong sense of commitment and passion for the movement in general and for our place within it as servants, offering a simple service of small but we hoped significant value to the Q community who desired a place where they could see good Q content without it being buried by spam or offtopic posts and engage in reasonable, respectful discussion about Q drops in order to inform themselves and others. We took and take our position seriously but we desire as much as possible to remain in the background, greasing the wheels. Posts about us are the least interesting thing on this or any sub.
Almost immediately after I joined a discussion was held about what comms tool for the growing team to use and Discord was ultimately settled on. As new mods you were expected to pick up what you could; advice would be given where you asked for it of the seniors but for the most part you had the rules and your wits. Around the time of my arrival or not long after HowiONic put together the incredible detail about the moderation role that comprised the mod wiki on the sub. She also pretty much singlehandedly made and fleshed out the detailed rules with input from everyone. These helped us all get up to speed quickly.
Moderation of the sub was not an exact science. It was necessarily context and discretion based. In questions about removal of content and other moderation decisions Senior mods would often explain what they would do but ultimately leave the decision with the new mod. It took me, and others, a while to adjust to this approach. More than a few of us came in to the role expecting to be told exactly what to do when and how. Instead, we were given some guidelines and allowed to make our own decisions with the option of seeking feedback from the team - whoever was available at the time. We also had to all get used to the idea that all moderation decisions could be reversed by someone else. That meant that if we came across what looked to be a mistake by another moderator e.g. a user mails us complaining about a removal and we can't see a good reason for the removal - then we'd generally try to follow up with that moderator or, if they weren't around and it didn't make sense for the decision to wait until they were, we'd simply reverse the decision. HowiONic kept a close eye on the detailed modlogs on Reddit and would often reverse decisions or query moderators on a decision made previously. In other words, we had, and have, autonomy and accountability. With moderators in different time zones and with real lives that didn't allow for precise schedules this approach makes the most sense to me now.
So, in summary, the elements that I feel are pertinent to 'debunking' so many accusations and claims made about us here and elsewhere are:
- we're all volunteers. We have no obligation to anyone for anything. We don't have to respond to you and you don't have to respond to us. You are not entitled to a response to your bitter anguish. Some of us could not care less what some of you think of us. We're only here for Q.
- we 'work the sub' as and when we can - our work fits around our real life so it occurs sporadically and inconsistently. Sometimes a lot of us are on, sometimes only one of us is working the sub, sometimes no one is around.
- we communicate to stay up-to-date on current issues and to get feedback on a particular moderation decision. Sometimes there's no one to give feedback so you take the action based on your own knowledge and analysis. Sometimes we make mistakes but we always take them back, if one or more of us agrees that it is a mistake.
- all of us are Patriots. The hate and cries of 'mods are comped!' fall on deaf ears. We all give up our time for a reason and it's not because we're being paid by someone to pretend to help the Q community whilst secretly attacking it from within. I say this with confidence because the actions of mods depicted in the mod logs support this.
TLDR; we have no obligation to respond to shill and troll accusations which are made simply to slide the board or promote someone's agenda or emotional instability. This answer explains our position and why we do things we do. Any True Patriot with a query is welcome to mail us and we'll take the time to respond. Shills and trolls can rant away to themselves. ThankQ.
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DrogeAnon ago
You are far too transparent with your one-sided fake news. Lotta emotive twists on things here - "vile" "purposely malicious", etc. Is this supposed to upset someone into responding? Lazy low effort shilling doesn't get a response from me.
Maybe someone else here has the time to entertain a shill trying to slide the board but I don't. We have a clear focus around here: Q drop discussion. False accusations are a waste of our time and the time of those in our community who come here to hear about Q. When a legit community member puts a question to me, I'll answer it. I don't play into shill games or the games of those with an agenda other than discovering the truth.
TLDR; zzzzz... next. True Patriots, ask me about any concern you have about me and I will answer - I can't speak for others but I can certainly vouch for them.
heygeorge ago
This is a completely inaccurate assessment of what OP @kneo24 brought and sourced.
Please, consider the claim directed at you.
It is:
I appreciate that you claim discussing/disseminating Q drops is the board’s primary focus. However, the claim made (and directed at you) is actually 100% true, despite your disagreement with a descriptive adjective.
Thanks in advance for your response.
DrogeAnon ago
That was not a 'well thought out critical post' imo therefore I saw that as more shillery but ok, fair call, I will answer the claim directed at me.
In my opinion that was far from a 'well thought out critical post' it was an example of someone who misrepresented themselves to a number of us on the mod team and then waited for an opportunity to catch someone out, jump to conclusions and post it in our thread in an attempt to throw more blame at us. We have literally ZERO obligation to care what anyone has to say about us on the internet and we are only focused on Q drop discussion so people who are either intentionally trying to create false narratives about us or who have some anxiety over some past deletion of their content and can't let it go and spend far too much time watching our actions so they can jump on the next slip up they see and proudly splash it all over our board are not our "go to" for quality content.
I mean what I said - if I see a quality post complaining about moderation, even though it's offtopic, due to the culture here where any deletion is treated by some dishonestly as "malicious censorship", I would advocate that the post be left (I can't speak for other mods at all times - not everyone's assessment of whether it's 'worthy of being left' is the same so if, when I'm not on, some other mod sees it and thinks differently but there's no one else around at the time to discuss it with, they may choose to remove. No "lies" or dishonesty, just the reality of a team working at different times.)
A post that completely ignores our repeated claims that we are definitely not affiliated with NeonRevolt and he is not a part of the mod team, we did not come to Voat with bad intentions and ignore all the feedback - we simply run out of comments and are unable to post - and so on, will be removed because it's not genuine concern it's game-playing anti-mod nonsense and no one who subs to this verse wants to see it. We want to see Q drop discussion, not butthurt or shilling. And our job is to help keep the feed ontopic, not to respond to trolls. We have no obligation and will do so only for the sake of genuine community members or reasonable, respectful queries like yours. Thank you.
heygeorge ago
Thank you for your reply. I sincerely thank you for your candor and civility. I may have more to ask later once I have more time to see what the team says, but for now I will just keep it to what jumps out.
I have trouble reconciling that with the whole movement drama and why the royal we would come to Voat taking a strong stance about being official Q drop mods/discussion in a new place.
If the emphasis is only on Q drop discussion, then why divide it into ‘official brand vs brand X?’
Second, assuming
to be true: How is it that @NeonRevolt is able to make his* blog posts while claiming the same royal we privilege as the mods? This doesn’t mesh with your denial of affiliation one bit. Stickying of NR’s blog establishing Q-follower hierarchy also does not lend itself to the denial. Is there a way you can reconcile or explain this?
*tshirt-hawking
DrogeAnon ago
This is a very pertinent question. Here's my position on it - again I can't speak for others wholly, but of course I'm aware that, as a team we are generally in the same mind about this as many discussions were had at the time. It was a very busy and crazy time, however. Some things fell by the wayside. Some things were done with minimum discussion between the team. Ultimately, however, the most active of us were onboard with most of what occurred (I say "most", purely out of caution - I can't remember every detail of what went on but I know I was glad to be working with the team I knew in dealing with it and that gives me the confidence to make the assertion that most of what occured was agreed on by most).
Qresearch stepped in and said they were setting up a board for us so we'll never lose a 'home' again. Godsend. We hadn't had close ties before but I think the brazen DS action of Reddit incensed them and drew them to our cause. Frankly, as you may know if you've looked around, rumors about v/GA being comped were already well established - just as they were about us* - but as we had no time to look into it in depth we knew we had to just create our own sub rather than trying to figure out what was going on with them or muscle in on theirs. We had no time. Our sub was already gone. And the community we moderated trusted us and wanted to see us set something up for them that would run similarly.
We couldn't vouch for v/GA or take them over so we had no other option. Those who say they would have told their community of people 'hey, go over there and we'll see you later' are not being honest or have no perspective of the responsibility someone feels for a group of people you care about. We'd all heard, like anyone, what Voat was like and we knew a large part of our community wasn't quite ready for it due to the reports and messages we'd responded to in our time on r/GA over content that would look like kindergarten content to Voat. So we felt an obligation to those people and a desire to see our sub feed continue because it kept us interested in Q too. The 'strong stance' was simply a clear message to our community about where they would find us. We had no idea how we were going to achieve the same thing we'd done on Reddit but we didn't have time to research and plan because we were already homeless. So we leapt before we looked and we did what we could.
v/GA has always existed freely alongside what we had - this would be no different. Given the involvement of Qresearch in setting something up for us we would also be separate from v/GA in that way - the same team who ran r/GA would be running 8ch/PA and v/tA.
No ill will was intended toward v/GA. No thought of splitting the movement or anything like that factored in. We just needed a home and people wanted to know where we'd gone. Many of us had experienced the same loss when CBTS went down and we knew the frustration when no news could be found of where to go. That's why Q-tubers and others stepped up to spread the message about the new boards. Simply so that those who lost r/GA could find it again. All this drama over v/GA is not of our doing - the mods I've spoken to here never received any communications from srayzie; if s/he sent us any it was either under an alt or somehow mysteriously missing from our inboxes - and the drama is frankly not in our interest, just as the false drama generated against us on Reddit was not our doing and we chose to ignore it rather than turn the focus from Q to us.
Those who wonder why we didn't plan something in advance - we had many discussions about it but see below re: availability of volunteers across timezones and living real lives. The sub was so active and growing and we were so conscious of avoiding the fate of CBTS_Stream and being banned for allowing violent content that we practically camped our queue and our NEW feed zealously guarding against anything that might bring the sub down and therefore had no time for anything else.
That's how you can know that any Mainstream claims that we 'allowed violent content for months' are, as ever, exaggerated lies. Violent content existed, yes, but it was always removed as soon as we saw it. Comments from other subs who had no love for us also confirmed this. One example from many comments made on subs or messaged to us: "GA was moderated tight. All the news claim about it is untrue. Quite the opposite." Inb4 "censorship!" - we protected our sub from Reddit taking it down for breaches of Rules 1 and 2. We were tighter than many other subs on Reddit in this area. Yet they still brought our sub down for breaches of Rules 1 and 2.
The royal "we", as far as I know it, is a reference to the Q movement and those who uphold it. It has no status or exclusivity. If you're a True Patriot and you support Q within all he has said then you're "we" too. I'd be happy to address whatever specific references if I could but the best person to ask about NeonRevolt's statements is NeonRevolt, certainly not me, who has never spoken to him before.
Stickying of NeonRevolt is very simple - he was talking about where we'd gone and why. He helped us answer a question we couldn't because we can't post here. Some of his points had also been dug and discovered by some on our mod team. I was not one of those so I can't go into that more. Therefore, some of us had reason to sticky the post for those elements as well. As always with stickies on this sub or reddit, we don't have to all agree that a specific post should be stickied. Whoever happens to be on at the time may discuss someone's idea to sticky a post - sometimes a mod believes something is inarguably sticky worthy and just stickies it. Sometimes others have seen the post afterward (maybe even immediately after), disagreed, and taken it down - sometimes with discussion, sometimes not. This is a necessary facet of moderation, I believe.
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DrogeAnon ago
--Moderating 101--
It seems some things need to be made clear to people with genuine questions about the mod team. There are others who do not have genuine questions and are simply trying to create division and take our time from Q focus to fighting trolls. This next section is for the former. You'll be able to tell the latter as they'll ignore most of the points and our intent presented here.
We are a team of volunteers. We were selected initially by r/GreatAwakening's creator and lead mod (in all but title), HowiONic. Her, and the mods with her at the time, took time to select each of us. Each of us was familiar with Q, could answer a basic quiz about the drops, and had a history of interaction on the subreddit with the community so tone and demeanor could be determined to some degree. The vetting process could take a week plus.
All of us had and continued to develop a strong sense of commitment and passion for the movement in general and for our place within it as servants, offering a simple service of small but we hoped significant value to the Q community who desired a place where they could see good Q content without it being buried by spam or offtopic posts and engage in reasonable, respectful discussion about Q drops in order to inform themselves and others. We took and take our position seriously but we desire as much as possible to remain in the background, greasing the wheels. Posts about us are the least interesting thing on this or any sub.
Almost immediately after I joined a discussion was held about what comms tool for the growing team to use and Discord was ultimately settled on. As new mods you were expected to pick up what you could; advice would be given where you asked for it of the seniors but for the most part you had the rules and your wits. Around the time of my arrival or not long after HowiONic put together the incredible detail about the moderation role that comprised the mod wiki on the sub. She also pretty much singlehandedly made and fleshed out the detailed rules with input from everyone. These helped us all get up to speed quickly.
Moderation of the sub was not an exact science. It was necessarily context and discretion based. In questions about removal of content and other moderation decisions Senior mods would often explain what they would do but ultimately leave the decision with the new mod. It took me, and others, a while to adjust to this approach. More than a few of us came in to the role expecting to be told exactly what to do when and how. Instead, we were given some guidelines and allowed to make our own decisions with the option of seeking feedback from the team - whoever was available at the time. We also had to all get used to the idea that all moderation decisions could be reversed by someone else. That meant that if we came across what looked to be a mistake by another moderator e.g. a user mails us complaining about a removal and we can't see a good reason for the removal - then we'd generally try to follow up with that moderator or, if they weren't around and it didn't make sense for the decision to wait until they were, we'd simply reverse the decision. HowiONic kept a close eye on the detailed modlogs on Reddit and would often reverse decisions or query moderators on a decision made previously. In other words, we had, and have, autonomy and accountability. With moderators in different time zones and with real lives that didn't allow for precise schedules this approach makes the most sense to me now.
So, in summary, the elements that I feel are pertinent to 'debunking' so many accusations and claims made about us here and elsewhere are: - we're all volunteers. We have no obligation to anyone for anything. We don't have to respond to you and you don't have to respond to us. You are not entitled to a response to your bitter anguish. Some of us could not care less what some of you think of us. We're only here for Q. - we 'work the sub' as and when we can - our work fits around our real life so it occurs sporadically and inconsistently. Sometimes a lot of us are on, sometimes only one of us is working the sub, sometimes no one is around. - we communicate to stay up-to-date on current issues and to get feedback on a particular moderation decision. Sometimes there's no one to give feedback so you take the action based on your own knowledge and analysis. Sometimes we make mistakes but we always take them back, if one or more of us agrees that it is a mistake. - all of us are Patriots. The hate and cries of 'mods are comped!' fall on deaf ears. We all give up our time for a reason and it's not because we're being paid by someone to pretend to help the Q community whilst secretly attacking it from within. I say this with confidence because the actions of mods depicted in the mod logs support this.
TLDR; we have no obligation to respond to shill and troll accusations which are made simply to slide the board or promote someone's agenda or emotional instability. This answer explains our position and why we do things we do. Any True Patriot with a query is welcome to mail us and we'll take the time to respond. Shills and trolls can rant away to themselves. ThankQ.