yes, ignore the people who made this the refuge that we all came to in our time of need.
they are expected to just be welcoming to the massive influx of uninvited guests and THEY have to change THEIR ways, to suit OURS.
Free speech and hysterical childish name calling are not the same thing. When our very right to speak is at stake, we should at least make our voices rational and interesting by not sounding like dumbasses!
Yes, you utter retard. Who determines who is a shill? You? Your kike mods? If someone says something you don't like, refute it, ignore it, or call them a faggot. How fucking hard is that?
I'm not aware of any social media that is truly anonymous. Psuedo-anoymous sure, but not truly anonymous. There are logs showing who posts what on every site. There is psuedo-anonymity based on the trust of the gatekeepers on those sites to not share those records, and to not go snooping through them themselves. We have that on voat, and to a lesser extent on 8chan (the sunshine fiasco for those that don't know). Even now I don't assume that those barriers that keep me psuedo-anonymous here or there will always be there.
About the shills, I'm glad they are anonymous. It's more fun this way. When they fuck up and show themselves IRL it only further illustrates what retards are being sent against us. On the other hand, they only ever send retards with little exception. Kind of insulting at the same time, no?
By anonymous I mean that there's no connection between your local identity and your on-line persona, unless of course someone doxxes you.
You can use the shills as a kind of adverse witness if you show how they have a pattern of using abuse or ad hominems instead of arguing the point. Sort of like "flak over the target", but pointing out how their argument is defective.
There is a connection. It's your IP and the logs on this site. That said I have faith in Puttitout that he won't ever be turning any of that over to anyone ever. He has stated clearly, and recently, that he hasn't.
I completely agree with you on the shills though. They serve as a pretty good indicator as to what is going on.
So Anything goes? No privacy rights, no doctor/patient, lawyer/client privileges? No limits to calling "fire" in a movie theatre, or threatening to rape or kill someone. No limits on what we expose children to in school or on the streets? Just carte blanche anything goes. There is a difference between "freedom to" and "freedom from." Our freedoms usually extend to the point of harming another person. While debating where this line is central to Democracy, arguing there is NO line is insanity.
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dunklederf ago
yes, ignore the people who made this the refuge that we all came to in our time of need. they are expected to just be welcoming to the massive influx of uninvited guests and THEY have to change THEIR ways, to suit OURS.
pretentious cunts.
Awake2Truth ago
Free speech and hysterical childish name calling are not the same thing. When our very right to speak is at stake, we should at least make our voices rational and interesting by not sounding like dumbasses!
freedumbz ago
Here's how free speech works: You support all of it, or none of it.
Fallout18 ago
Agree
throwaway14 ago
you can check the logs, but your mods here clearly don't agree
Fallout18 ago
Tricky situation all round. No easy fixes
Anonomus911 ago
So your saying trolls, shills and bots are allowed and encouraged?
HouseHawkwood ago
As a regular visitor of 4chan/8chan I can say that trolls, shills and bots have accomplished fuck all over there despite a lack censorship.
GoogleStoleMyBike ago
Yes, you utter retard. Who determines who is a shill? You? Your kike mods? If someone says something you don't like, refute it, ignore it, or call them a faggot. How fucking hard is that?
TalkingAboutThings ago
You're like a fucking broken record. Or a bot...
freedumbz ago
They are free to say what they will. They are also free to get our retribution.
mega_nz ago
Lying to foment war is a form of free speech. In commerce, truth is sovereign.
freedumbz ago
Freedom of speech is not freedom from consequences.
HouseHawkwood ago
How progressive of you.
mega_nz ago
With the anonymity of social media people can avoid the consequences of their speech.
freedumbz ago
True anonymity does not exist.
mega_nz ago
There's enough anonymity on social media for sanayim or shareblue to be effective.
freedumbz ago
I'm not aware of any social media that is truly anonymous. Psuedo-anoymous sure, but not truly anonymous. There are logs showing who posts what on every site. There is psuedo-anonymity based on the trust of the gatekeepers on those sites to not share those records, and to not go snooping through them themselves. We have that on voat, and to a lesser extent on 8chan (the sunshine fiasco for those that don't know). Even now I don't assume that those barriers that keep me psuedo-anonymous here or there will always be there.
About the shills, I'm glad they are anonymous. It's more fun this way. When they fuck up and show themselves IRL it only further illustrates what retards are being sent against us. On the other hand, they only ever send retards with little exception. Kind of insulting at the same time, no?
mega_nz ago
By anonymous I mean that there's no connection between your local identity and your on-line persona, unless of course someone doxxes you.
You can use the shills as a kind of adverse witness if you show how they have a pattern of using abuse or ad hominems instead of arguing the point. Sort of like "flak over the target", but pointing out how their argument is defective.
freedumbz ago
There is a connection. It's your IP and the logs on this site. That said I have faith in Puttitout that he won't ever be turning any of that over to anyone ever. He has stated clearly, and recently, that he hasn't.
I completely agree with you on the shills though. They serve as a pretty good indicator as to what is going on.
Awake2Truth ago
So Anything goes? No privacy rights, no doctor/patient, lawyer/client privileges? No limits to calling "fire" in a movie theatre, or threatening to rape or kill someone. No limits on what we expose children to in school or on the streets? Just carte blanche anything goes. There is a difference between "freedom to" and "freedom from." Our freedoms usually extend to the point of harming another person. While debating where this line is central to Democracy, arguing there is NO line is insanity.
Tut560 ago
Exactly right & if we are going to red pill normies, the voat insults, name calling & racial slurs could turn them off to the message
throwaway14 ago
you are the fucking normies, go back to reddit where you belong
freedumbz ago
Freedom of speech is not freedom from consequences. Holy shit man get it together. Also, I'm going to paraphrase something you said there for funsies:
>how many children must suffer before you agree with me
ALL OF THEM. EVERY LAST ONE. NO EXCEPTIONS.