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midnightblue1335 ago

Hey dummies, you know you can still watch all of Info Wars bullshit, right? www.infowars.com

They got thrown off of TWO websites and everyone's acting like they've been entirely scrubbed from existence on the internet. The hysteria is real, and it's disturbing to see how easily whipped into a frenzy you all are; ban some celebrities off of jew-Tube and FaceBris, and suddenly "ZOMG THEY'RE COMING FOR US!?!!1"

As a man who doesn't use any of that bullshit, I would find this amusing if it didn't seem like this could be a publicity stunt. InfoWars is going to make more money this week than any other week, because of all the donations they solicit from this incident.

CowboyXero ago

Let me ask you something. Are you alright with anyone telling you that you're not allowed to access information of a certain kind?

midnightblue1335 ago

No. But I am okay with someone telling me "I don't carry that information because [insert reason here]." If I owned a YouTube like platform, I'd take measures to ensure SJW faggots don't infest the place, because I don't want that shit stinking up my platform. YouTube has that right, so does Facebook.

This is NOT a fucking "free speech" issue, and you're just buying into the hysteria if you think it is. A double standard? Absolutely- the shit that youtube and FB let people get away with is shocking; in the meantime, they'll ban relatively moderate, harmless statements of objective fact. It's retarded- BUT IT ISN'T VIOLATING YOUR HUMAN RIGHTS.

Or am I missing the part of the Constitution that says "All men shall have the right to vieweth whatever content he chooses on the platforms of YouTube and Facebook. Any YT or FB employees who interfere with such right shall be tried for treason, and hanged if found guilty."?

YT and FB have the right to kick whoever they want off their stupid platform, for whatever reason they choose- it's their property. Or are you okay with forcing certain websites to host content that they don't want to host?

CowboyXero ago

You've missed something. Facebook and YouTube, yes, have taken his material off for vague reasons which they will not clarify at all. It IS part of a political push as detailed here. There's a bill in Congress, it's officially political and yes, that makes it a free speech issue.

Maybe you're too young to remember and I'm convinced that it was before my time but there was such a thing as Corporate Towns way back in the early days. In those towns, one company literally owned every sidewalk, the square, the stores, the churches, homes, all of it. There was a woman distributing leaflets who was told she was not able to do so, as per her right, due to the entire town being owned by that company. If she didn't cease and desist, she'd be arrested for trespassing. She was and was convicted but a higher court overturned the conviction stating that the town was the functional equivalent of a municipality, and that the First Amendment fully applied to expressive activities on the company-owned sidewalks and streets of the town.

That's what Facebook, Google, Twitter, Pinterest, Apple and LinkedIn are at this rate. They're the equivalent of a digital company town and, until such time as a viable competitor arises which truly competes, Every Amendment In That Bill of Rights Is Their Responsibility To Uphold.

Let's talk about a couple of other things. Facebook is now a public company as they're publicly traded on the stock market, same as Twitter, Apple and Microsoft. That means, they're not privately-owned anymore. They gotta make those stockholders happy and that means keeping customers coming back and making them as much money as they can. Personally, I'm all for "If you don't like it, stop fucking buying it." but when you want to promote your site, your blog, your program, your band or your brand, where the hell do you think you're going to go? Literally every business in the US does business with those big ass brands and if you think that any large businesses are going to snuggle up to Gab or Bitchute (and I'm not knocking them), you're fucking kidding yourself.

Let's also keep in mind that Jones was effectively erased from LinkedIn which is a glorified online resume. For what exactly? He never posted the first bit of content there. That was just fucking petty.

Now, the difference between the hypothetical platform you mention and this shit? You'd own it, you'd make the rules. Once it got to a certain size, it would be well out of your control. If it became a damn-near monopoly juggernaut, you could expect to be taken to court over the very same issues, if not, taken to court to have your megacorp busted up into smaller groups

Case In Point, Vid.me had a great platform, a better partner system than YouTube and were superior in many many ways but eventually even they folded and, looking at BitChute only getting 24% of what they need to stay afloat (per their own website) exactly how long do you really think they're going to stay afloat? People like me, can't in any way afford to toss them anything in terms of money. Trust in one thing, since Obama took office, we're a fucking service industry barely scraping by most times.

Final point and, this needs to be pointed out, our current president got elected due to MSSM. If not for that, chances are he might have very well been beaten in the election, maybe he wouldn't but there's a heavy chance that he wouldn't have won by the landslide he did...and we have the midterm elections coming up. You think these colossal companies don't know this? You're dreaming if you do. Wake up. With most if not all of the attention now focused on Facebook, Twitter and YouTube, where do you think the influence is going to be? Everyone from conservatives to libertarians and even Constitution Party candidates or supporters will be forced into a thought cage just to stay on the platform while these fringe elements that have taken over the Ass Party (Let's face it, you pick a donkey, I'm calling it an ass) being able to do or say whatever they like. It's pretty deliberate.

Maybe you're still not convinced, fine, whatever but remember, these people already forced The Daily Stormer off their domain provider and practically onto the deep web, out of sight, out of mind. Personally, got no love for TDS but fully support them being able to be just as visible as the SPLC. One event like this, as big as this, okay, maybe you're right. But with a history of it happening AND no valid competition, I'm not buying that argument.

Look, my own parents don't tell me what kind of content I will or will not consume. My wife doesn't tell me what I can and can't consume in media. I tuned out of Jones when he once said he knew how bad it was and he couldn't tell us because we wouldn't be able to handle it. Motherfucker, I don't need a goddamn gatekeeper and I'll be damned if any of these companies decide to white knight for me. They need to seriously slow their goddamn roll.

There's more here if you would care to read a short report on it.

knightwarrior41 ago

You've missed something. Facebook and YouTube, yes, have taken his material off for vague reasons which they will not clarify at all. It IS part of a political push as detailed here. There's a bill in Congress, it's officially political and yes, that makes it a free speech issue.

Maybe you're too young to remember and I'm convinced that it was before my time but there was such a thing as Corporate Towns way back in the early days. In those towns, one company literally owned every sidewalk, the square, the stores, the churches, homes, all of it. There was a woman distributing leaflets who was told she was not able to do so, as per her right, due to the entire town being owned by that company. If she didn't cease and desist, she'd be arrested for trespassing. She was and was convicted but a higher court overturned the conviction stating that the town was the functional equivalent of a municipality, and that the First Amendment fully applied to expressive activities on the company-owned sidewalks and streets of the town.

That's what Facebook, Google, Twitter, Pinterest, Apple and LinkedIn are at this rate. They're the equivalent of a digital company town and, until such time as a viable competitor arises which truly competes, Every Amendment In That Bill of Rights Is Their Responsibility To Uphold.

Let's talk about a couple of other things. Facebook is now a public company as they're publicly traded on the stock market, same as Twitter, Apple and Microsoft. That means, they're not privately-owned anymore. They gotta make those stockholders happy and that means keeping customers coming back and making them as much money as they can. Personally, I'm all for "If you don't like it, stop fucking buying it." but when you want to promote your site, your blog, your program, your band or your brand, where the hell do you think you're going to go? Literally every business in the US does business with those big ass brands and if you think that any large businesses are going to snuggle up to Gab or Bitchute (and I'm not knocking them), you're fucking kidding yourself.

Let's also keep in mind that Jones was effectively erased from LinkedIn which is a glorified online resume. For what exactly? He never posted the first bit of content there. That was just fucking petty.

Now, the difference between the hypothetical platform you mention and this shit? You'd own it, you'd make the rules. Once it got to a certain size, it would be well out of your control. If it became a damn-near monopoly juggernaut, you could expect to be taken to court over the very same issues, if not, taken to court to have your megacorp busted up into smaller groups

Case In Point, Vid.me had a great platform, a better partner system than YouTube and were superior in many many ways but eventually even they folded and, looking at BitChute only getting 24% of what they need to stay afloat (per their own website) exactly how long do you really think they're going to stay afloat? People like me, can't in any way afford to toss them anything in terms of money. Trust in one thing, since Obama took office, we're a fucking service industry barely scraping by most times.

Final point and, this needs to be pointed out, our current president got elected due to MSSM. If not for that, chances are he might have very well been beaten in the election, maybe he wouldn't but there's a heavy chance that he wouldn't have won by the landslide he did...and we have the midterm elections coming up. You think these colossal companies don't know this? You're dreaming if you do. Wake up. With most if not all of the attention now focused on Facebook, Twitter and YouTube, where do you think the influence is going to be? Everyone from conservatives to libertarians and even Constitution Party candidates or supporters will be forced into a thought cage just to stay on the platform while these fringe elements that have taken over the Ass Party (Let's face it, you pick a donkey, I'm calling it an ass) being able to do or say whatever they like. It's pretty deliberate.

Maybe you're still not convinced, fine, whatever but remember, these people already forced The Daily Stormer off their domain provider and practically onto the deep web, out of sight, out of mind. Personally, got no love for TDS but fully support them being able to be just as visible as the SPLC. One event like this, as big as this, okay, maybe you're right. But with a history of it happening AND no valid competition, I'm not buying that argument.

Look, my own parents don't tell me what kind of content I will or will not consume. My wife doesn't tell me what I can and can't consume in media. I tuned out of Jones when he once said he knew how bad it was and he couldn't tell us because we wouldn't be able to handle it. Motherfucker, I don't need a goddamn gatekeeper and I'll be damned if any of these companies decide to white knight for me. They need to seriously slow their goddamn roll.

There's more here if you would care to read a short report on it.

excellent post

CowboyXero ago

Thanks. Just a lot that needed to be said. Honestly it's just where I'm coming from and if anyone agrees, great, I posted a petition just for the purpose. If not, Okay but remember, they're not testing the waters anymore, this is a full-on move. The Daily Stormer, James Damore (sp?), The Adpocalypse 1 & 2: The Dwindling and now this? And these are just the ones we know of. There's a good chance they've mounted coordinated attacks on anyone small and coming up that don't have the resources to fight them. With Vid.me gone, and only real.video and bitchute, the question becomes How Much Time Do Any of Us Have Left?

knightwarrior41 ago

Thanks

no problem but too bad that other people cant see this too