If there were any pragmatic rationality among scientists, the Negro would be classed as a different species from white Europeans. The differences between the races are that significant.
As when the definition of a "planet" was all agreed on , then evidence came out that Pluto broke the rules AGREED ON for "planet", there was a "messy situation" were every 2nd grade school book on earth for kids as well as every text book, had to be re-printed and suddenly omit Pluto as a planet!
PLUTO WAS NEVER A PLANET, due to science definitions made earlier for the word "PLANET"
NEGROES are a different hominid species than all other existing humans on earth!
NEGROES WERE NEVER the same species as humans, due to science definitions made earlier for the word "SPECIES"
I and not talking about SUBSPECIES, and am being literal, and using the word "SPECIES"
We know this from DNA. DNA does not lie. The definition of species in 2019 and recent years is two factors :
1 > DNA drift distance of under 120,000 years
AND
2 > Able to mate and reproduce a fertile viable offspring, both male or female, AND not breaking rule #1 (DNA drift distance of under 120,000 years)
Gorilla SPECIES (species not subspecies) can breed and produce viable fertile offspring. Yet their DNA is probably drifted over 120,000 years.
The Gray wolf, Red wolf and Ethiopian wolf SPECIES (species not subspecies) can breed and produce viable fertile offspring. Yet their DNA is probably drifted less than 120,000 years (100,000 for Ethiopian Wolf) : http://wolffacts.org/ethiopian-wolf-facts.html
Animals that drifted far more than the ridiculous 350,000 year separation from Negros and true humans, can interbreed too. It is uncommon but possible. In these other mammals many fetuses die and are absorbed, but occasionally you can get live births by breeding countless mammals against each other, even with different numbers of chromosomes. :
Here Are 18 Amazing Animal Hybrids You Won’t Believe Exist But Are Completely Real:
I show those in that link to demonstrate that animal life forms can be forced to mate with each other in hilarious ways, and some produce fertile offspring, but DNA age drift is used as the definition of species.
So yes, you can mate a true human (Homo Sapiens sapiens, with Neanderthal IQ gene admixture)... with a Hominid such as the major negro ethnicities in Africa (whom lack even a speck of Neanderthal DNA) :
Tigrean
Amharic
Sudanese-Barya
Nilotic
Funji Nilotic
Tuareg-Beja Cushitic
Nubian
Wolof-Peul-Serer
Bantu MOST common in recent 300 years
Bedic Bantu
West African
Mbuti Pygmy
Sara Nilotic-Biaka Pygmy
San Khosian-Somali
Khoi Khosian
Hazda Khosian
Sandawe Khosian
Above list also summarized on MODERN species and sub species (races) proposed names of various Homo shit-skins (detailed but lacking DNA refs) :
All those Negroid hominids can be bred with true humans, and produce fertile offspring, but that does not make those 350,000 year divergent subspecies the same as true modern Humans.
The "fertile offspring, disregarding DNA evidence" is the OLD definition, that is why we have Bear, Gorilla, and Wolf SPECIES (not subspecies, but actual SPECIES), because their DNA drifted over 120,000 years of separation.
Blacks predate by hundreds of thousands of years of deviation, the relatively recent emergence of true humans, and far far far before Humans picked up IQ genes from Neanderthals. Pure black lack any Neanderthal DNA.
ALL true humans (non african negroes) have some intermixed Neanderthal DNA, adding many brain boosting IQ genes, All humans everywhere on earth have these very very recent genes, but not one african pure bred negro.
NEANDERTHAL BRAIN DNA?
Neanderthal genes (lacking only in Negros) contributes much of the known 538 genes for higher IQ.
538 genes that are thought to be linked to intelligence (by comparing 300,000 test subjects) :
Of the 538 genes for above 100 IQ intelligence, which can 80% predict your IQ, west african Negroes and Australian aborigines LACK most of the smart genes!
ALL humans on earth except blacks have brain folding genes from RECENT cross breeding with NEANDERTHALS (yes even everyone in south america), and the asians have these genes by breeding with DENISOVIANS (who also had bred earlier with NEANDERTHALS).
Except for negroes, in latest studies of massive DNA databases, all humans (Homo sapiens sapiens) alive have 1% to 2.9% Neanderthal DNA on average per nation.
All Whites ALSO have lots of proven Cro-Magnon DNA too!:
Europe's Ancestors: Cro-Magnon 28,000 Years Old Had DNA Like Modern Humans:
Some smarter asians picked up DNA, just as whites did, by breeding with Neanderthal&Denisovian half-breeds from conquering Neanderthal males... with full actual DNA sequenced from actual half-breed Denisovian+Neanderthal breeding bone fragment example ! :
Wow! DNA proof of a 1st gen half-breed Denisovian+Neanderthal (typical source of asian intelligence): 1st gen!!!
Sadly, the percentage of Neanderthal DNA in modern black humans is zero !!! (they interbred 300,000 to 185,000 years ago with a ape-like hominid, probably a version of Homo heidelbergensis branch):
9 LIVING CAVEMEN with ACTUAL NEGROID HOMO ERECTUS Y DNA INACT found in CAMEROON, and a camaroon negro found in USA with caveman DNA from 300,000 years ago completely unrelated to real humans ! :
A00a-L1149 (or A00a1) Y DNA is 350,000 years old in many Negroes. Negroes DO NOT have common ancestor human Y DNA nicknamed "Y-chromosomal Adam" but they keep changing the definition every 5 years, to not let Negroes feel bad :
Some think that the Negroes that bred with H. heidelbergensis were "Homo sapiens idaltu", and that "Homo sapiens idaltu" thus evolved into Negroes, while actual humans descended from 'Homo sapiens idaltu' leaving africa and interbreeding with Denisovian+Neanderthal becoming real humans , now called "Homo Sapiens sapiens) [note the extra sapiens].
Some Russian and Chinese scientists currently denounce that and say its the opposite, and that 'Homo sapiens idaltu' ENTERED africa and interbred with the indigenous Negroes (H. heidelbergensis).
Its been known since 1874 that Blacks are NOT human, and lots of data to prove it.
The negro ape in 2nd most famous biology book ever written, by famed Ernst Haeckel, 1874, Page 527 of 780 :
Homo erectus went extinct only 50,000 years ago (100,000 tops) and was provably low IQ and PROVEN LAZY, similar to current Blacks, but unknown how much DNA admixture of Homo erectus is in the modern negro, if any, due to heat damage of artifact DNA, Negroes diverged from all real humans 350,000 years ago, as proven and mentioned frequently already (current Negro Y-DNA A00a-L1149).
Even though Blacks are now proven from over 350,000 years ago, vs real Humans nowadays, There were MANY types of Hominids that looked like humans, right up until each were killed off and replaced by Modern Humans.
No matter how you organize the timeline, DNA does not lie. Blacks are an unrelated species. Most land mammals are radically different species after 120,000 year separation, and Blacks separated from all real humans 350,000 years ago.
TL;DR: Negroes are not HUMAN! (((Small Colleges))) except in advanced biology courses, still sometimes re-teach old erroneous definition of the word "Species". Today only DNA is used to differentiate species, and Negroes are PROVABLY a dramatically different species of Hominid.
One caveat to the Neanderthal DNA narrative. Hybrids always produce overall inferior traits. This doesn't mean all traits are inferior. It simply means the sum is inferior to the parent. In fact, Nature always eliminates hybridity. Again, it doesn't mean that hybridity never occurs. It can, but is rare. The only place hybridity commonly occurs is from anthropogenic manipulation. Most all of this occurs in captivity.
An example of hybrid inviability in humans are the many congenital and hereditary diseases of mulattoes. For one thing, hybridity has knack for introducing hereditary disease into the gene pool. If you look at the Jewish community, which is indeed very hybridized, the number of hereditary diseases is by far more than any other racial group. A mulattoes avg. IQ is about 85. It is not coincidental this number happens to be the avg. IQ between a Caucasian (100 IQ) and Negro (IQ 70). What's more are the psychological diseases of mulattoes, which are much higher than for each parent racial group. The same deleterious issues are also found with much higher incidences of congenital diseases.
Intermixing with Neanderthals would produce the same. This is why I believe the entire Neanderthal DNA in Caucasians is highly suspect and yet another case of selling a false narrative. For one, does intelligence does not increase by intermixing with a less intelligent species.
PARTS of what you said are true, but its a complicated topic after many generations of further DNA mixing.
I have seen such paraphrased papers in the past related to this assertion you stated :
Hybrids always produce overall inferior traits
And for FIRST GENERATION, and maybe even up to 10th generation, that may be VERY correct, in fact most self-abort, but....
As for Neanderthal admixture, it is a well-proven DNA fact that CERTAIN large gene spans were incorporated in the survivors and "best fit" after many thousands of years of further evolution pressure. The DNA mixing happened a couple times, but well after mankind entered Africa from Europe as CroMag and mated with non-Neanderthal hominids in Africa. No DNA mixing with Neanderthals happened to Blacks.
The outside-of-africa mixing with Neanderthal happened frequently and the FIRST BORN that was not self aborted in womb, or sterile, as you correctly stated regarding mixing being BAD, those first born generation 50:50 admixtures self selected less fatal combinations of chromosomes.
It takes MANY changes across many chromosomes to alter a mammal skeleton. That is why humans have the same total number of bones, including inner ear, as a mouse has. The same total number of bones. By mixing with Neanderthals humans did NOT become so tall that they were above 6 feet tall at age 8 years, as proven in "tooth daily growth rings" of Neanderthal 8 year old skeletons, but the new humans, us, DID get wider birth canals for larger brains.
Larger brains and brain folding are the single most important evolutionary push, but the hardest trick for a set of many chromosomes to achieve (alteration of a skeleton). Each major step in evolution for human Brain evolution involves BRAIN FOLDING, including from marsupial to mammal, from shrew to primate, from chimp-looking Hominid to Human, and dramatically so, from Negroid to Homo Sapiens.
We know for a FACT that many high IQ genes came from Neanderthals, and in fact modern Asians got the same high IQ genes by mating with Hominids that also mated with Neanderthals. Here is a FIRST GENERATION 50:50 one in a million lucky discovery of two Hominids mating and skeleton being located : https://wgno.com/2018/08/24/dna-reveals-first-known-child-of-neanderthal-and-denisovan-study-says/
You raised many many different topics in your statement and too many to respond to, but be aware all have strong caveats to each, but because of "near extinction bottlenecks" across humans history, Human DNA is cleaned up dramatically, and designed well for incest. Incest in Humans is far far less DNA risk than other mammals. Its not good, but its a complex topic, and a lucky side effect of having DNA cleaned up by all varieties of Humans wiped out from competition and calamity.
These two statements are incorrect the way you wrote them :
This is why I believe the entire Neanderthal DNA in Caucasians is highly suspect
Only critical parts were taken and KEPT after 30 generations, but to alter birth canal (skeletal change) lots of DNA was required to borrow, and happy accident of taking other brain folding DNA was useful too.
For one, intelligence does not increase by intermixing with a less intelligent species.
It can, rarely, if the result is a combination of only the good parts : Neurological proven, as in this list of known high IQ genes :
2018 : 1,016 genes for higher IQ score :
paper = Genome-Wide Association Meta-Analysis In 269,867 Individuals Identifies New Genetic And Functional Links To Intelligence
Now 1,016 genes are proven correlated to IQ (many are brain , skull, or birth canal related, some might be merely (non-negroid) genes in general.
The Neanderthals have been proven to have given true humans many of those 1,016 genes.
Negros are so non-human, that some varieties of Negro have 3 MILLION, yes an eye watering 3 MILLION mutational DNA base pair differences than all true living Humans that are not Negroids:
Look! :
3 million single letter negro DNA mutations found in 2012, NEVER seen in any other white on earth :
Not all those 3 million negroid mutations are too damaging. Some are how a tooth glows under ultraviolet light, some are salt composition of sweat or urine, some are earwax specific, or other excretion systems.
Neanderthals were so vastly different from modern humans physically, the difference between us is greater than a gorilla to a homo sapien.
In regards to intelligence, you are correct in that there are rare occasions of "smarter" hybrids, but the gene pool isn't there to sustain it. In addition, there are so many other deleterious genetic diseases as a result of hybridity, it is eliminated. This is Nature's Law for maintaining its immutable order. With Negroes, the amount of melanin has an inverse affect on intelligence.
Researcher and author Loyd Pye clearly shows how the fossil record is falsified to establish a narrative. Pye also shows the Neanderthal footprints are identical to Sasquatch footprints. He goes on showing the smallest finger bone of a neanderthal was in comparison to modern humans, the size of a thumb bone. Neanderthal bones are not only radically different from humans, but are twice as thick. Even the gait of neanderthals was radically different from humans. Almost all hybrids are the result of man-made influences. This can be seen occurring in some western states. The over hunting of deer, along with urban development, and other factors has caused a large imbalance in buck-to-doe ratio. This has led to stress and unnatural mating of mule deer with white-tailed deer. The hybrid offspring verify my point in that mule deer have a completely different survival strategy than white-tailed deer. This fact is clearly observed in mule/white-tailed deer hybrids. For example, the gait of the mule deer is markedly different than a white-tailed deer. When startled, mule deer exhibit a stiff four-legged bounding gait, while white-tailed deer use an irregular jumping gallop to escape predators. With hybrids, their gait is not a jumping gallop as a white-tailed deer or the mule deer stot, but use locomotion patterns intermediate the two species. Galloping hybrids are slower than white-tailed deer. Other incompatible anti-predator strategies include inquisitive behavior on approach of a predator instead of a prompt “fight or flight” response. The hybrids are easy prey for mountain lions and wolves.
You have provided very good information, but the archeological record is indeed falsified to prevent us from knowing our true origin. It is falsified to establish a "story" or narrative, which amounts to a fable for us to believe. I suggest watching Loyd Pye's video - "Lloyd Pye Everything You Know Is Wrong" at: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5qJYwfAju8
It is DNA fact, actual FACT that Neanderthal DNA has been sequenced and compared and proven to be up to 3% of many Human samples DNA.
You keep naysaying that concrete proven fact, though complete with shared databases, gene sample specimens, and published papers based on the shared DNA sequence analysis.
Are you seriously claiming Neanderthals DNA is not in modern Humans, and that DNA itself is a hoax?
I am now starting to think you are trolling me.
the amount of melanin has an inverse affect on intelligence
Totally true, and true in India, but when you slice a thin specimen of human brain ou become horrified to learn that MELANIN POISONS BRAIN TISSUE, you can see the melanin pigment IN THE NEGRO BRAIN WHEREVER THERE ARE TISSUE LAYERS!
I think they were not studying neuroscience at the cellular level in that old famous paper.
IQ is mostly from brain folding and other morphology, and SOME very dark genius Indians exist, but in general, the darker the skin the lower the IQ.
archeological record is indeed falsified
I used to think that was a crazy claim, but it is now shown that (((someone))) pushed false narrative of "Out of Africa" and that (((someone))) maintained an elaborate hoax in science for 50 years or more.
DNA now proved it was false, but you for some reason even distrust DNA, even if someone were to give you the computer files of the DNA sequences for you to review yourself?
DNA is fact. Humans mating with Neanderthals is fact.
"You keep naysaying that concrete proven fact, though complete with shared databases, gene sample specimens, and published papers based on the shared DNA sequence analysis."
That's because being such an old-timer I've experienced over the many decades several "proven facts" that turned out to be false. (Egyptology is one good example). As a result, I have become a healthy skeptic, especially in areas where the research isn't available for me to personally examine. Indeed, DNA is very involved. Forensic DNA in criminal cases has been sold to the courts as incontrovertible evidence. However, it appears to be much more involved. It turns out several unfortunate people have gone to prison because their DNA was misinterpreted or as a result of outright fraud. It's not an outlier few cases either. There are other interpretation issues as well.
This example happens to correlate to other DNA studies as well. Not that the DNA interpretation is necessarily erroneous, but it goes deeper to the level of the influences for getting such results. It may be another example of following the money. In modern times, there are so many cases of "fake" science that it is pandemic. A case in point is "global warming", where data has been actually altered to agree with a certain narrative. The so-called "hockey-stick" study is a good example of "fake" science. Another example is the recent article about ancient bubblegum DNA belonging to a dark-skinned Scandinavian. The article was professionally written with an awesome CGI rendering of some dark-skinned girl, who looks surprisingly like the famous Afghanistani girl on the cover of the National geographic. Have you ever wondered who pays for the production of these incredible renderings like this? It's suppose to grab your imagination. These depictions are expensive and paid for for the purpose of selling their narrative they want you to believe. The financiers of this ridiculous bubblegum story want you confused, angered, and demoralized so that they can push other agendas through, while you are preoccupied with self doubt.
Don't get me wrong. You have presented some very interesting (and titillating) subject matter, including links. There is certainly more to the Neanderthal DNA narrative that isn't reported though. Notwithstanding, I did read an interesting tidbit elsewhere that stated - "Hybridization between humans and Neanderthals has resulted in a low level of Neanderthal ancestry scattered across the genomes of many modern-day humans. After hybridization, on average, selection appears to have removed Neanderthal alleles from the human population." https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5100956/
In response to this statement, one of the methods Nature uses to eliminate aberrations (hybridity) and to preserve species is by diffusion. This is actually rare in Nature. I suspect whenever it does exist, it is a result of extreme stress induced by habitat loss and other factors relating to human encroachment and manipulation.
If the hybrid is able to mate, it will seek to mate with the species that it most resembles. An example of this in humans are mulattoes are almost always left with mating with Negroes. With animals, courtship is hardwired through many complex factors. This is an extremely high barrier to overcome too. This is because all species are geared to establish "optimal balance", which is unique to each species. As a part of this, a male from a similar genetic background provides DNA/cells that are beneficial to the mother and offspring's immune system. Contrary to this, the cells/DNA from a racially different partner are in conflict and are attacked through what is known as a cytokine storm. The body's own immune system becomes the greatest threat to longevity of the female (and hybrid baby). The health consequences can be immediate and neuro-immunological diseases involving inflammation are evident through many diseases producing systemic sepsis, as defined by persistent hypotension, hyper- or hypothermia, leukocytosis or leukopenia, and often thrombocytopenia. Viral, bacterial, and fungal pulmonary infections all cause the sepsis syndrome, and these etiological agents are difficult to differentiate on clinical grounds. In some cases, persistent tissue damage without severe microbial infection in the lungs also is associated with a cytokine storm and clinical manifestations that mimic sepsis syndrome. In addition to lung infections, the cytokine storm is a consequence of severe infections in the gastrointestinal tract, urinary tract, central nervous system, skin, joint spaces, and other sites. Other diseases take hold many, many years later. Microchimerism is a taboo subject having far greater implications on hybrids, including sterilization, than is published. The subject matter discussed above is only some of the known difficulties and consequences hybrids experience.
Relating this to Neanderthal DNA in humans only underscores my skepticism. I am not claiming the Neanderthal DNA is necessarily erroneous. It appears to violate Nature's Law of maintaining species. There is undoubtedly much more to the story not being told. If you watched the Loyd Pye video I linked above, you'll certainly see how this all plays into the incredibility of it. Again, Neanderthals were so vastly different than humans, that they are as distant as gorillas are to humans. If sterilization wasn't one factor, the deleterious affects of microchimerism, congenital diseases, deformation mutations, courtship rejection, banishment, survival strategies, and many other issues would have to somehow be overcome.
CORRECT! But its a very very problematic issue this time to achieve a workable redefinition that still includes Negros as same species, let alone sub-species. I wonder how they will achieve such a thing. The biggest joke so far is the unsupportable lie that Whites descended from african evolved Hominids (Out Of Africa).
@Holonomic erroneously located someone borrowing my own 100% created words and reddit user/Infearmal , whom is VERY similar in mental spirit to me, pasted it on Reddit and user/Infearmal said SPECIFICALLY in the top that user/Infearmal DID NOT AUTHOR it but rather I did. Read this line from user/Infearmal :
Ok pal. I'm just gonna quote you someone else on the internet commenting about this meme. Thanksfully someone has found your whinny hideout and linked to this page. We're not even talking about being subhumans anymore.
That user on reddit copying my works wrote :
"I'm just gonna quote you someone else on the internet"
That "someone else" is me, from NOT on reddit. @Holonomic cannot read a whole post.
I have no active reddit account, and only posted 4 times in my past before being banned there for posting statistics on Black welfare in the USA from the Government statistics. I am NOT user/Infearmal.
@Holonomic is trying to be a jew shill because one of his parents is a Negro and being half black or quarter Black, @Holonomic DOES NOT like reading DNA FACTS about Negroes being a provable different SPECIES not SUBSPECIES.
I thought I had to respond. But I am very very happy to see a red pill of mine pasted nearly verbatim onto reddit! I am smiling so much this hour from spotting it on reddit in user comments even if an admin probably deleted it or hid it.
The repaster on reddit specifically typed this phrase that caucasians can read and comprehend : "I'm just gonna quote you someone else on the internet", and thus @Holonomic is spreading Jew lie disenchantment and narrative shifting and "attacking the messenger not the message".
TL/DR : All my writings are 100% correct and my own, and @Holonomic is hilariously incorrect, because my works did not originate on reddit.
@Holonomic erroneously located someone borrowing my own 100% created words and reddit user/Infearmal , whom is VERY similar in mental spirit to me, pasted it on Reddit and user/Infearmal said SPECIFICALLY in the top that user/Infearmal DID NOT AUTHOR it but rather I did. Read this line from user/Infearmal :
Ok pal. I'm just gonna quote you someone else on the internet commenting about this meme. Thanksfully someone has found your whinny hideout and linked to this page. We're not even talking about being subhumans anymore.
That user on reddit copying my works wrote :
"I'm just gonna quote you someone else on the internet"
That "someone else" is me, from NOT on reddit. @Holonomic cannot read a whole post.
I have no active reddit account, and only posted 4 times in my past before being banned there for posting statistics on Black welfare in the USA from the Government statistics. I am NOT user/Infearmal.
@Holonomic is trying to be a jew shill because one of his parents is a Negro and being half black or quarter Black, @Holonomic DOES NOT like reading DNA FACTS about Negroes being a provable different SPECIES not SUBSPECIES.
I thought I had to respond. But I am very very happy to see a red pill of mine pasted nearly verbatim onto reddit! I am smiling so much this hour from spotting it on reddit in user comments even if an admin probably deleted it or hid it.
The repaster on reddit specifically typed this phrase that caucasians can read and comprehend : "I'm just gonna quote you someone else on the internet", and thus @Holonomic is spreading Jew lie disenchantment and narrative shifting and "attacking the messenger not the message".
TL/DR : All my writings are 100% correct and my own, and @Holonomic is hilariously wrong, because my works did not originate on reddit.
....sigh... Repeat after me : "Gorilla SPECIES, Bear SPECIES, Wolf SPECIES." All those are 120,000 of Genetic Drift on the money.
DNA drift (Genetic Drift) is quantified in all modern papers as a numeric value but there are multiple common equations to provide the value summary. "Genetic Species Concept"
Prior to modern years, ignoring the 120,000 years genetic drift distance, and uses shorter timespans, 2 genera and 78 species of brown bears (Ursus arctos) existed. 78 species of brown bears!!!!! Now there is but one brown bear species, and only the four bear species. Why? Because of modern rules ignoring the old definition of species from 1920 (CH Merriam).
The value of 120,000 will be printed as a genetic drift value with allows some wiggle room, and furthermore needs to be converted from whatever equation being used from whatever taxonomic software is being used.
Its made more complex by drift of a single specific Chromosome in some research rather that "whole organism genome"
the first push to use DNA to clean up all the species classifications started when DNA sequencing became cheap and affordable... in 2009.
In fact the famous 2009 paper on the switchover written by "Robert J. Baker"
Genetic drift is a theory based on all too "linear" calculations. The 120,000 years is a best "guestimate" of these calculations based on observations at the cellular level. In other words, simple organisms like bacteria are used to determine a theory of genetic drift in very complex lifeforms like humans. There is no evidence of genetic drift. All species are immutable and follow Nature's order.
i think you skipped 8th grade biology. Even sunlight causes mutation in human skin (DNA damage for example). Many things cause mutation in egg cell or sperm cell creation.
MUTATION.
Now I am convinced you are not biologically educated based on you erroneously stating :
In other words, simple organisms like bacteria are used to determine a theory of genetic drift in very complex lifeforms like humans. There is no evidence of genetic drift. All species are immutable and follow Nature's order.
That's preposterous. All of life would be the same organism forever with no change, and also be a single cell at that, without evolution caused by mutation and selection.
Only in the world of Marvel Comics do you get greater powers from mutations. In the real world the very cold fact of reality is that mutations are deleterious and an aberration. Simple observation of Nature manifests everywhere that a very strict order is maintained and is indeed immutable. Your fairy-tale of Marvel-like transcending to a higher form of animals is laughable. Again, the hard-wired instinct of every living creature is achieved through "optimal balance." It explains why homogeneous people created great civilizations and why "diversity" and its outcome of miscegenation always caused the detritus of innovation and the destruction of civilization. Hybrid inviability is a Law of Nature. The sum of traits in a hybrid is inferior to the parent.
I noticed you have resorted to ad hominems, since you cannot explain away Nature's immutable laws. I presented one example of Nature's continuous maintaining of 30 subspecies of white-tailed deer. This was after you claimed that species "freely intermix". The proof is so contrary to your claim, in a court of law it would be deemed a classic summary judgment against you. Furthermore, I provided a well documented case of anthropogenic encroachment whereby buck-to-doe ratios have been greatly skewed due to over-hunting mule deer and white-tailed deer whereby stress has caused an aberration of hybridity. The survival traits of "fight-or-flight" are very different between the two species. The hybrid are easy prey for mountain lions and wolves. It's Nature's strict law of eliminating aberrations. In Nature, hybridity is always confined and eliminated to maintain the Order.
Sorry, but I only read this one single sentence from the above. Truly. I only read this. I have a habit of scanning the center and then reading something. I read these erroneously claims :
Before, it was hybrids freely happen in Nature. Nature does not permit the survival of man-made manipulations such as hybrids
I explained that we have been talking about DNA. I only care about and talk about DNA, as we are talking about the definition of species. In many different SPECIES, they can mate and reproduce fertile viable offspring, which means that the definition of SPECIES is "something else" and it is... in 2020 it is based on percent of genetic drift. The definition is primarily based on the amount of DNA divergence.
Why are you talking about "Nature", as if "Nature" is a thing? Is "The Order" a thing? This is not a zoology discussion, or a discussion on philosophy.
DNA! We are talking about DNA and the definition of species.
I regret that I have no time to read your off track discussion, as it seems to indicate you are accusing any of my words as being wrong and I never types a single thing incorrectly, just not clear enough for a layperson. You keep misreading, shifting narrative, and worse.. you keep introducing unrelated straw men arguments.
I can summarize it all up again for you.
A SPECIES in 2020 is a different SPECIES if two example animals cannot breed a viable fertile offspring.
OR:
A SPECIES in 2020 is a different SPECIES if two example animals CAN breed a viable fertile offspring, but each animals DNA has drifted genetically for 120,000 years or more (BEAR SPECIES, GORILLA SPECIES, WOLF SPECIES).
See? Simple.
I even prior wrote verbatim this sentence you keep trying to argue with :
"Gorilla SPECIES, Bear SPECIES, Wolf SPECIES, all freely interbreed with little problems and also are different from DNA DRIFT DISTANCE half as long as The Negro."
Rewrite that in your mind as : "The DNA of Gorilla SPECIES, Bear SPECIES, Wolf SPECIES, all EASILY interbreed with little problems and also are different from DNA DRIFT DISTANCE half as long as The Negro"
WI am only talking about DNA and Species.
The Negro is a different Species, unless all wolves become renamed one species, like the domestic dog breeds are one species. Since they are temed species, not subspecies, then there is an anomaly. The anomaly is that if we still permit the useful definition of 120,000 year divergent animals like Gorilla SPECIES, Bear SPECIES, Wolf SPECIES, then we have to obviously also put 350,000 year proven divergent Negros in a different SPECIES.
350,000 is far far more divergence than 120,000 years!!!
I feel somehow you are religious and clutching at a religious text to defend false views on science.
Science is not based on feelings, or political correctness.
"Why are you talking about "Nature", as if "Nature" is a thing? Is "The Order" a thing? This is not a zoology discussion, or a discussion on philosophy."
You prove my point. When I talk about the immutable Laws of Nature, you don't know what I'm talking about. The Order is the result of Nature's Laws governing ALL living creatures. Obviously, DNA is a part of that. It's sad so many people are so urbanite that they only recognize concrete and asphalt in their world. Heaven help all those when the electricity goes out.
Your Neanderthal = Humans thesis is dubious and quite a leap in conclusion. I pointed out that your "humans intermixed with Neanderthals" is also dubious. It violates the governing rule of hybrid inviability. The sum of traits of a hybrid are ALWAYS inferior to the overall traits of the parents. Again, this is DNA. By the way, you weren't originally talking about laboratory work here in a petri dish. This however is where you are now taking refuge. Anything chimera can be created in the lab. But, outside of it in the wild, it will not survive.
"In many different SPECIES, they can mate and reproduce fertile viable offspring, which means that the definition of SPECIES is "something else""
Obviously, you are talking about in captivity or in the lab. This is NOT so in the wild (Nature). I've already provided ample examples and reasons why this "bar" can never be overcome for hybrids to survive.
"The Negro is a different Species, unless all wolves become renamed one species, like the domestic dog breeds are one species."
First and foremost, it is unfortunate the cladistic categorization (taxonomy) system of life-forms is man-made (i.e. best polemic of an academic guess). Alas, it is the "best" system we have to go by. It's assembly is not consistent, especially when it come to the categorization of humans. Once again, there is a political factor rearing its ugly head. Taxonomy is in itself a good example on how little we know about the living creatures of Earth. When I was in school there was only two Kingdoms. Now, it is something like 6 Kingdoms. The classification of "race" has been eliminated and renamed "subspecies". Some previous "race" classifications have been moved to "Varieties" and vice-versa to subspecies. It is what it is. When you speak of "Negroes", I believe you are referring to Congolese in general. The differences of "racial" traits of humans are far wider than those found in the species of apes. From this perspective, there should be classified different species of humans. The Khoi and the San of southern Africa are so genetically different than northern Europeans, it has been documented that miscarriages frequently occur and when there is offspring, they either die or are found to be sterile.
Not true. There are photographs of documented proof of different species mating in the wild, as well as DNA evidence. One example is a Grizzly Bear mating with a Polar Bear (grolar bear, polar grizz, polizzle, pizzly bear) : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grizzly%E2%80%93polar_bear_hybrid
Again, these are aberrations. They are not the norm or ever would be. I've already provided you with an example of mule deer/White-tailed deer hybrids. And, how they are easy prey to mountain lions and wolves. Hybrids will ALWAYS be eliminated by a myriad of Nature's methods. There would be no species if hybridity was the governing rule, but it is not and quite the opposite. I also provided further proof that hybridity is confined and restricted in Nature in which every aberration is eliminated. This is what I previously mentioned is called a "hybrid zone". It is a narrow region in which genetically distinct populations come into contact and produce at least some offspring of mixed ancestry. The hybrid zone is a hybrid sink. A hybrid sink is characterized by a reduction of population density caused by reduced fitness of hybrids. In otherwise, hybrid inviability is at work and the elimination of each aberration is under way.
I'm very aware of the grizzly/polar bear hybrid you mention. If I recall correctly, it was a specimen that was shot. It is indeed an aberration. The grizzly and polar bear are wired to be very different in terms of behavioral traits and phenotype. It's very possible that this hybrid was sterile. If not, then it had a very high probability of never finding a mate. If it couldn't find a mate, there's a high probability the hybrid would otherwise succumb to disease as a result of cellular inflammation (microchimerism) and disease. Hybridity affects the chemical balance of the brain. Perhaps, the reason the bear was shot because of its odd and aggressive behavior. Which "fight-or-flight" instinct did have? If any at all? Earlier, I provided info on mulattoes of suffering from a multiple of different congenital diseases. Mulattoes have a much higher rate of mental diseases, including schizophrenia, bipolarism, and more.
"Science proved beyond any doubt that Neanderthal DNA , lots of it, is in all modern Human DNA, using sequencing analysis of both species."
I've read the links you provided and more. My conclusion is different. Just like the "proved beyond any doubt" global warming narrative, I am stating the Neanderthal/human hybrid is a narrative for keeping you from knowing your true origin. The only mutations providing increased intelligence, superior ability, skill, or strength is found in the Marvel Comics.
Thank you for the link, that's extremely interesting.
I question how feasible that is across the spectrum of living things as a whole because sequencing all living things is a massive and almost impossible endeavor, but I imagine it's within the realm of possibility for mammals and humans specifically.
I guess similar could be said of the current reproductive isolation classification method as well.
Its mostly happening. In fact this is and exact quote taken verbatim from that 2009 paper I cited above :
DNA sequencing of whole genomes for multiple species is becoming less expensive, easier, and faster (Chan 2005; Zwick 2005), and such technological advances will result in a new research landscape for the interface of genetic information and studies on mammalian systematics, biodiversity, speciation, and so on. As a result, genetic profiles will soon be generated for many, if not most, mammalian species.
it also mentions , you only need to do it 5,000 times for 5,000 assumed known mammal species.
But true... there are many many other animals than mammals.
At least it will result in cleaning up the big mess of "what is a species or not"
The resistance is like the "planet pluto" resistance. And It is the unmentionable issue of African Negroid Hominids being well proven different species than "Homo Sapien sapiens"
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ardvarcus ago
If there were any pragmatic rationality among scientists, the Negro would be classed as a different species from white Europeans. The differences between the races are that significant.
oaf ago
SPECIES (not just sub-species)!!? TRUE!!
As when the definition of a "planet" was all agreed on , then evidence came out that Pluto broke the rules AGREED ON for "planet", there was a "messy situation" were every 2nd grade school book on earth for kids as well as every text book, had to be re-printed and suddenly omit Pluto as a planet!
PLUTO WAS NEVER A PLANET, due to science definitions made earlier for the word "PLANET"
NEGROES are a different hominid species than all other existing humans on earth!
NEGROES WERE NEVER the same species as humans, due to science definitions made earlier for the word "SPECIES"
I and not talking about SUBSPECIES, and am being literal, and using the word "SPECIES"
We know this from DNA. DNA does not lie. The definition of species in 2019 and recent years is two factors :
AND
Gorilla SPECIES (species not subspecies) can breed and produce viable fertile offspring. Yet their DNA is probably drifted over 120,000 years.
(Gorilla gorilla vs. Gorilla beringei) : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gorilla
Bear SPECIES (species not subspecies) can breed and produce viable fertile offspring. Yet their DNA is probably drifted over 120,000 years.
http://bearwithus.org/8-bears-of-the-world/
"Polar Bears Evolved Just 150,000 Years Ago" : https://www.livescience.com/10956-polar-bears-evolved-150-000-years.html
The Gray wolf, Red wolf and Ethiopian wolf SPECIES (species not subspecies) can breed and produce viable fertile offspring. Yet their DNA is probably drifted less than 120,000 years (100,000 for Ethiopian Wolf) : http://wolffacts.org/ethiopian-wolf-facts.html
Animals that drifted far more than the ridiculous 350,000 year separation from Negros and true humans, can interbreed too. It is uncommon but possible. In these other mammals many fetuses die and are absorbed, but occasionally you can get live births by breeding countless mammals against each other, even with different numbers of chromosomes. :
Here Are 18 Amazing Animal Hybrids You Won’t Believe Exist But Are Completely Real:
http://boredomtherapy.com/real-animal-hybrids/
ASTOUNDING! Look at those!
I show those in that link to demonstrate that animal life forms can be forced to mate with each other in hilarious ways, and some produce fertile offspring, but DNA age drift is used as the definition of species.
So yes, you can mate a true human (Homo Sapiens sapiens, with Neanderthal IQ gene admixture)... with a Hominid such as the major negro ethnicities in Africa (whom lack even a speck of Neanderthal DNA) :
Above list also summarized on MODERN species and sub species (races) proposed names of various Homo shit-skins (detailed but lacking DNA refs) :
https://propertarianism.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/the-species-of-great-apes.pdf
All those Negroid hominids can be bred with true humans, and produce fertile offspring, but that does not make those 350,000 year divergent subspecies the same as true modern Humans.
The "fertile offspring, disregarding DNA evidence" is the OLD definition, that is why we have Bear, Gorilla, and Wolf SPECIES (not subspecies, but actual SPECIES), because their DNA drifted over 120,000 years of separation.
Blacks predate by hundreds of thousands of years of deviation, the relatively recent emergence of true humans, and far far far before Humans picked up IQ genes from Neanderthals. Pure black lack any Neanderthal DNA.
ALL true humans (non african negroes) have some intermixed Neanderthal DNA, adding many brain boosting IQ genes, All humans everywhere on earth have these very very recent genes, but not one african pure bred negro.
NEANDERTHAL BRAIN DNA?
Neanderthal genes (lacking only in Negros) contributes much of the known 538 genes for higher IQ.
538 genes that are thought to be linked to intelligence (by comparing 300,000 test subjects) :
http://www.frontlinegenomics.com/news/20419/using-dna-to-predict-intelligence/
Of the 538 genes for above 100 IQ intelligence, which can 80% predict your IQ, west african Negroes and Australian aborigines LACK most of the smart genes!
ALL humans on earth except blacks have brain folding genes from RECENT cross breeding with NEANDERTHALS (yes even everyone in south america), and the asians have these genes by breeding with DENISOVIANS (who also had bred earlier with NEANDERTHALS).
Except for negroes, in latest studies of massive DNA databases, all humans (Homo sapiens sapiens) alive have 1% to 2.9% Neanderthal DNA on average per nation.
All Whites ALSO have lots of proven Cro-Magnon DNA too!:
Europe's Ancestors: Cro-Magnon 28,000 Years Old Had DNA Like Modern Humans:
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/07/080715204741.htm
And the SMARTEST asians bred at two points in history with DENISOVIANS, for more IQ, while the water-niggers and Thais only interbred one time.
Modern asian Humans (smart non-Thai asians) interbred with Denisovans TWICE in history :
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2018/03/180315140718.htm
Some smarter asians picked up DNA, just as whites did, by breeding with Neanderthal&Denisovian half-breeds from conquering Neanderthal males... with full actual DNA sequenced from actual half-breed Denisovian+Neanderthal breeding bone fragment example ! :
Wow! DNA proof of a 1st gen half-breed Denisovian+Neanderthal (typical source of asian intelligence): 1st gen!!!
https://wgno.com/2018/08/24/dna-reveals-first-known-child-of-neanderthal-and-denisovan-study-says/
Sadly, the percentage of Neanderthal DNA in modern black humans is zero !!! (they interbred 300,000 to 185,000 years ago with a ape-like hominid, probably a version of Homo heidelbergensis branch):
https://ghr.nlm.nih.gov/primer/dtcgenetictesting/neanderthaldna
9 LIVING CAVEMEN with ACTUAL NEGROID HOMO ERECTUS Y DNA INACT found in CAMEROON, and a camaroon negro found in USA with caveman DNA from 300,000 years ago completely unrelated to real humans ! :
https://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2013-03/uoa-hyc030413.php
A00a-L1149 (or A00a1) Y DNA is 350,000 years old in many Negroes. Negroes DO NOT have common ancestor human Y DNA nicknamed "Y-chromosomal Adam" but they keep changing the definition every 5 years, to not let Negroes feel bad :
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Y-chromosomal_Adam
US Gov scientists agree that some Negroes discovered to be non-human, and Negroes interbred with ape-like creatures long long ago :
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3591855/
Shocking quotes from PMC4947341 "Hominin interbreeding and the evolution of human variation":
one-fifth of the Neanderthal genome may lurk within modern humans... (but totally absent in Negroes)
SUBHUMAN! interbreeding between Sub-Saharan Africans and an as-yet-unknown hominin, such as H. heidelbergensis...
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4947341/
Some think that the Negroes that bred with H. heidelbergensis were "Homo sapiens idaltu", and that "Homo sapiens idaltu" thus evolved into Negroes, while actual humans descended from 'Homo sapiens idaltu' leaving africa and interbreeding with Denisovian+Neanderthal becoming real humans , now called "Homo Sapiens sapiens) [note the extra sapiens].
Some Russian and Chinese scientists currently denounce that and say its the opposite, and that 'Homo sapiens idaltu' ENTERED africa and interbred with the indigenous Negroes (H. heidelbergensis).
Its been known since 1874 that Blacks are NOT human, and lots of data to prove it.
The negro ape in 2nd most famous biology book ever written, by famed Ernst Haeckel, 1874, Page 527 of 780 :
WOW! :
https://files.catbox.moe/e2pi6l.jpg
Homo erectus went extinct only 50,000 years ago (100,000 tops) and was provably low IQ and PROVEN LAZY, similar to current Blacks, but unknown how much DNA admixture of Homo erectus is in the modern negro, if any, due to heat damage of artifact DNA, Negroes diverged from all real humans 350,000 years ago, as proven and mentioned frequently already (current Negro Y-DNA A00a-L1149).
Laziness in Homo erectus proof YES LAZY BLACKS! :
https://www.livescience.com/63308-homo-erectus-laziness-extinction.html
NOT JUST LAZY hominids, but LOW IQ, lazy Blacks never invented any crops, domesticated animals, or even the WHEEL!
Whites & Blacks 100 FACTS! Blacks never invented the wheel!:
http://yun.complife.info/100facts.htm
Even though Blacks are now proven from over 350,000 years ago, vs real Humans nowadays, There were MANY types of Hominids that looked like humans, right up until each were killed off and replaced by Modern Humans.
No matter how you organize the timeline, DNA does not lie. Blacks are an unrelated species. Most land mammals are radically different species after 120,000 year separation, and Blacks separated from all real humans 350,000 years ago.
TL;DR: Negroes are not HUMAN! (((Small Colleges))) except in advanced biology courses, still sometimes re-teach old erroneous definition of the word "Species". Today only DNA is used to differentiate species, and Negroes are PROVABLY a dramatically different species of Hominid.
Phantom42 ago
The beasts of the field...
cantaloupe6 ago
1016 genes linked to IQ - probably more found
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41588-018-0152-6
Amyway we're exactly the same in every way.
1stResponder ago
A lot of information here to digest.
One caveat to the Neanderthal DNA narrative. Hybrids always produce overall inferior traits. This doesn't mean all traits are inferior. It simply means the sum is inferior to the parent. In fact, Nature always eliminates hybridity. Again, it doesn't mean that hybridity never occurs. It can, but is rare. The only place hybridity commonly occurs is from anthropogenic manipulation. Most all of this occurs in captivity.
An example of hybrid inviability in humans are the many congenital and hereditary diseases of mulattoes. For one thing, hybridity has knack for introducing hereditary disease into the gene pool. If you look at the Jewish community, which is indeed very hybridized, the number of hereditary diseases is by far more than any other racial group. A mulattoes avg. IQ is about 85. It is not coincidental this number happens to be the avg. IQ between a Caucasian (100 IQ) and Negro (IQ 70). What's more are the psychological diseases of mulattoes, which are much higher than for each parent racial group. The same deleterious issues are also found with much higher incidences of congenital diseases.
Intermixing with Neanderthals would produce the same. This is why I believe the entire Neanderthal DNA in Caucasians is highly suspect and yet another case of selling a false narrative. For one, does intelligence does not increase by intermixing with a less intelligent species.
oaf ago
PARTS of what you said are true, but its a complicated topic after many generations of further DNA mixing.
I have seen such paraphrased papers in the past related to this assertion you stated :
And for FIRST GENERATION, and maybe even up to 10th generation, that may be VERY correct, in fact most self-abort, but....
As for Neanderthal admixture, it is a well-proven DNA fact that CERTAIN large gene spans were incorporated in the survivors and "best fit" after many thousands of years of further evolution pressure. The DNA mixing happened a couple times, but well after mankind entered Africa from Europe as CroMag and mated with non-Neanderthal hominids in Africa. No DNA mixing with Neanderthals happened to Blacks.
The outside-of-africa mixing with Neanderthal happened frequently and the FIRST BORN that was not self aborted in womb, or sterile, as you correctly stated regarding mixing being BAD, those first born generation 50:50 admixtures self selected less fatal combinations of chromosomes.
It takes MANY changes across many chromosomes to alter a mammal skeleton. That is why humans have the same total number of bones, including inner ear, as a mouse has. The same total number of bones. By mixing with Neanderthals humans did NOT become so tall that they were above 6 feet tall at age 8 years, as proven in "tooth daily growth rings" of Neanderthal 8 year old skeletons, but the new humans, us, DID get wider birth canals for larger brains.
Larger brains and brain folding are the single most important evolutionary push, but the hardest trick for a set of many chromosomes to achieve (alteration of a skeleton). Each major step in evolution for human Brain evolution involves BRAIN FOLDING, including from marsupial to mammal, from shrew to primate, from chimp-looking Hominid to Human, and dramatically so, from Negroid to Homo Sapiens.
We know for a FACT that many high IQ genes came from Neanderthals, and in fact modern Asians got the same high IQ genes by mating with Hominids that also mated with Neanderthals. Here is a FIRST GENERATION 50:50 one in a million lucky discovery of two Hominids mating and skeleton being located : https://wgno.com/2018/08/24/dna-reveals-first-known-child-of-neanderthal-and-denisovan-study-says/
You raised many many different topics in your statement and too many to respond to, but be aware all have strong caveats to each, but because of "near extinction bottlenecks" across humans history, Human DNA is cleaned up dramatically, and designed well for incest. Incest in Humans is far far less DNA risk than other mammals. Its not good, but its a complex topic, and a lucky side effect of having DNA cleaned up by all varieties of Humans wiped out from competition and calamity.
These two statements are incorrect the way you wrote them :
Only critical parts were taken and KEPT after 30 generations, but to alter birth canal (skeletal change) lots of DNA was required to borrow, and happy accident of taking other brain folding DNA was useful too.
It can, rarely, if the result is a combination of only the good parts : Neurological proven, as in this list of known high IQ genes :
2018 : 1,016 genes for higher IQ score :
paper = Genome-Wide Association Meta-Analysis In 269,867 Individuals Identifies New Genetic And Functional Links To Intelligence
Nature Genetics (2018) https://doi.org/10.1038/s41588-018-0152-6
Now 1,016 genes are proven correlated to IQ (many are brain , skull, or birth canal related, some might be merely (non-negroid) genes in general.
The Neanderthals have been proven to have given true humans many of those 1,016 genes.
Negros are so non-human, that some varieties of Negro have 3 MILLION, yes an eye watering 3 MILLION mutational DNA base pair differences than all true living Humans that are not Negroids:
Look! :
3 million single letter negro DNA mutations found in 2012, NEVER seen in any other white on earth :
https://www.nature.com/news/hunter-gatherer-genomes-a-trove-of-genetic-diversity-1.11076
Not all those 3 million negroid mutations are too damaging. Some are how a tooth glows under ultraviolet light, some are salt composition of sweat or urine, some are earwax specific, or other excretion systems.
1stResponder ago
Neanderthals were so vastly different from modern humans physically, the difference between us is greater than a gorilla to a homo sapien.
In regards to intelligence, you are correct in that there are rare occasions of "smarter" hybrids, but the gene pool isn't there to sustain it. In addition, there are so many other deleterious genetic diseases as a result of hybridity, it is eliminated. This is Nature's Law for maintaining its immutable order. With Negroes, the amount of melanin has an inverse affect on intelligence.
Researcher and author Loyd Pye clearly shows how the fossil record is falsified to establish a narrative. Pye also shows the Neanderthal footprints are identical to Sasquatch footprints. He goes on showing the smallest finger bone of a neanderthal was in comparison to modern humans, the size of a thumb bone. Neanderthal bones are not only radically different from humans, but are twice as thick. Even the gait of neanderthals was radically different from humans. Almost all hybrids are the result of man-made influences. This can be seen occurring in some western states. The over hunting of deer, along with urban development, and other factors has caused a large imbalance in buck-to-doe ratio. This has led to stress and unnatural mating of mule deer with white-tailed deer. The hybrid offspring verify my point in that mule deer have a completely different survival strategy than white-tailed deer. This fact is clearly observed in mule/white-tailed deer hybrids. For example, the gait of the mule deer is markedly different than a white-tailed deer. When startled, mule deer exhibit a stiff four-legged bounding gait, while white-tailed deer use an irregular jumping gallop to escape predators. With hybrids, their gait is not a jumping gallop as a white-tailed deer or the mule deer stot, but use locomotion patterns intermediate the two species. Galloping hybrids are slower than white-tailed deer. Other incompatible anti-predator strategies include inquisitive behavior on approach of a predator instead of a prompt “fight or flight” response. The hybrids are easy prey for mountain lions and wolves.
You have provided very good information, but the archeological record is indeed falsified to prevent us from knowing our true origin. It is falsified to establish a "story" or narrative, which amounts to a fable for us to believe. I suggest watching Loyd Pye's video - "Lloyd Pye Everything You Know Is Wrong" at: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5qJYwfAju8
oaf ago
It is DNA fact, actual FACT that Neanderthal DNA has been sequenced and compared and proven to be up to 3% of many Human samples DNA.
You keep naysaying that concrete proven fact, though complete with shared databases, gene sample specimens, and published papers based on the shared DNA sequence analysis.
Are you seriously claiming Neanderthals DNA is not in modern Humans, and that DNA itself is a hoax?
I am now starting to think you are trolling me.
Totally true, and true in India, but when you slice a thin specimen of human brain ou become horrified to learn that MELANIN POISONS BRAIN TISSUE, you can see the melanin pigment IN THE NEGRO BRAIN WHEREVER THERE ARE TISSUE LAYERS!
Other melanins belong in brain for funtion :
Neuromelanin : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neuromelanin
Oddly the largest papers from 100 years ago overlooked Negro melanin in brain, despite jumping up in your eyes under a microscope! : https://deepblue.lib.umich.edu/bitstream/handle/2027.42/49594/1000050402_ftp.pdf?sequence=1
I think they were not studying neuroscience at the cellular level in that old famous paper.
IQ is mostly from brain folding and other morphology, and SOME very dark genius Indians exist, but in general, the darker the skin the lower the IQ.
I used to think that was a crazy claim, but it is now shown that (((someone))) pushed false narrative of "Out of Africa" and that (((someone))) maintained an elaborate hoax in science for 50 years or more.
DNA now proved it was false, but you for some reason even distrust DNA, even if someone were to give you the computer files of the DNA sequences for you to review yourself?
DNA is fact. Humans mating with Neanderthals is fact.
1stResponder ago
That's because being such an old-timer I've experienced over the many decades several "proven facts" that turned out to be false. (Egyptology is one good example). As a result, I have become a healthy skeptic, especially in areas where the research isn't available for me to personally examine. Indeed, DNA is very involved. Forensic DNA in criminal cases has been sold to the courts as incontrovertible evidence. However, it appears to be much more involved. It turns out several unfortunate people have gone to prison because their DNA was misinterpreted or as a result of outright fraud. It's not an outlier few cases either. There are other interpretation issues as well.
This example happens to correlate to other DNA studies as well. Not that the DNA interpretation is necessarily erroneous, but it goes deeper to the level of the influences for getting such results. It may be another example of following the money. In modern times, there are so many cases of "fake" science that it is pandemic. A case in point is "global warming", where data has been actually altered to agree with a certain narrative. The so-called "hockey-stick" study is a good example of "fake" science. Another example is the recent article about ancient bubblegum DNA belonging to a dark-skinned Scandinavian. The article was professionally written with an awesome CGI rendering of some dark-skinned girl, who looks surprisingly like the famous Afghanistani girl on the cover of the National geographic. Have you ever wondered who pays for the production of these incredible renderings like this? It's suppose to grab your imagination. These depictions are expensive and paid for for the purpose of selling their narrative they want you to believe. The financiers of this ridiculous bubblegum story want you confused, angered, and demoralized so that they can push other agendas through, while you are preoccupied with self doubt.
Don't get me wrong. You have presented some very interesting (and titillating) subject matter, including links. There is certainly more to the Neanderthal DNA narrative that isn't reported though. Notwithstanding, I did read an interesting tidbit elsewhere that stated - "Hybridization between humans and Neanderthals has resulted in a low level of Neanderthal ancestry scattered across the genomes of many modern-day humans. After hybridization, on average, selection appears to have removed Neanderthal alleles from the human population." https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5100956/
In response to this statement, one of the methods Nature uses to eliminate aberrations (hybridity) and to preserve species is by diffusion. This is actually rare in Nature. I suspect whenever it does exist, it is a result of extreme stress induced by habitat loss and other factors relating to human encroachment and manipulation.
If the hybrid is able to mate, it will seek to mate with the species that it most resembles. An example of this in humans are mulattoes are almost always left with mating with Negroes. With animals, courtship is hardwired through many complex factors. This is an extremely high barrier to overcome too. This is because all species are geared to establish "optimal balance", which is unique to each species. As a part of this, a male from a similar genetic background provides DNA/cells that are beneficial to the mother and offspring's immune system. Contrary to this, the cells/DNA from a racially different partner are in conflict and are attacked through what is known as a cytokine storm. The body's own immune system becomes the greatest threat to longevity of the female (and hybrid baby). The health consequences can be immediate and neuro-immunological diseases involving inflammation are evident through many diseases producing systemic sepsis, as defined by persistent hypotension, hyper- or hypothermia, leukocytosis or leukopenia, and often thrombocytopenia. Viral, bacterial, and fungal pulmonary infections all cause the sepsis syndrome, and these etiological agents are difficult to differentiate on clinical grounds. In some cases, persistent tissue damage without severe microbial infection in the lungs also is associated with a cytokine storm and clinical manifestations that mimic sepsis syndrome. In addition to lung infections, the cytokine storm is a consequence of severe infections in the gastrointestinal tract, urinary tract, central nervous system, skin, joint spaces, and other sites. Other diseases take hold many, many years later. Microchimerism is a taboo subject having far greater implications on hybrids, including sterilization, than is published. The subject matter discussed above is only some of the known difficulties and consequences hybrids experience.
Relating this to Neanderthal DNA in humans only underscores my skepticism. I am not claiming the Neanderthal DNA is necessarily erroneous. It appears to violate Nature's Law of maintaining species. There is undoubtedly much more to the story not being told. If you watched the Loyd Pye video I linked above, you'll certainly see how this all plays into the incredibility of it. Again, Neanderthals were so vastly different than humans, that they are as distant as gorillas are to humans. If sterilization wasn't one factor, the deleterious affects of microchimerism, congenital diseases, deformation mutations, courtship rejection, banishment, survival strategies, and many other issues would have to somehow be overcome.
McPooperton ago
This is pretty cool but as soon as this gets out they will change the definition just like they changed the IQ cutoff that defines you as a retard.
oaf ago
CORRECT! But its a very very problematic issue this time to achieve a workable redefinition that still includes Negros as same species, let alone sub-species. I wonder how they will achieve such a thing. The biggest joke so far is the unsupportable lie that Whites descended from african evolved Hominids (Out Of Africa).
Holonomic ago
Spamming, or plagiarizing this stuff oaf?
oaf ago
"plagiarizing?" LIAR! BACKWARD!
@Holonomic is 100% backward wrong!
@Holonomic erroneously located someone borrowing my own 100% created words and reddit user/Infearmal , whom is VERY similar in mental spirit to me, pasted it on Reddit and user/Infearmal said SPECIFICALLY in the top that user/Infearmal DID NOT AUTHOR it but rather I did. Read this line from user/Infearmal :
Ok pal. I'm just gonna quote you someone else on the internet commenting about this meme. Thanksfully someone has found your whinny hideout and linked to this page. We're not even talking about being subhumans anymore.
That user on reddit copying my works wrote :
"I'm just gonna quote you someone else on the internet"
That "someone else" is me, from NOT on reddit. @Holonomic cannot read a whole post.
I have no active reddit account, and only posted 4 times in my past before being banned there for posting statistics on Black welfare in the USA from the Government statistics. I am NOT user/Infearmal.
@Holonomic is trying to be a jew shill because one of his parents is a Negro and being half black or quarter Black, @Holonomic DOES NOT like reading DNA FACTS about Negroes being a provable different SPECIES not SUBSPECIES.
I thought I had to respond. But I am very very happy to see a red pill of mine pasted nearly verbatim onto reddit! I am smiling so much this hour from spotting it on reddit in user comments even if an admin probably deleted it or hid it.
The repaster on reddit specifically typed this phrase that caucasians can read and comprehend : "I'm just gonna quote you someone else on the internet", and thus @Holonomic is spreading Jew lie disenchantment and narrative shifting and "attacking the messenger not the message".
TL/DR : All my writings are 100% correct and my own, and @Holonomic is hilariously incorrect, because my works did not originate on reddit.
Holonomic ago
Quit spamming me you fucking faggot.
You plagiarize your shit, or copy it and when you get called out you flip your bean like a deranged faggot.
Holonomic ago
Quit spamming me you fucking faggot asshole.
You plagiarize your shit, or copy it and when you get called out you flip your bean like a deranged faggot.
Holonomic ago
You either copied this from [d]eddit or you're spamming it.
Don't get me wrong....niggers are devolution in real time, but if you're just spamming, or plagiarizing then you can fuck off back to [d]eddit.
oaf ago
"plagiarizing?" LIAR!! BACKWARD!
@Holonomic is 100% backward wrong!
@Holonomic erroneously located someone borrowing my own 100% created words and reddit user/Infearmal , whom is VERY similar in mental spirit to me, pasted it on Reddit and user/Infearmal said SPECIFICALLY in the top that user/Infearmal DID NOT AUTHOR it but rather I did. Read this line from user/Infearmal :
Ok pal. I'm just gonna quote you someone else on the internet commenting about this meme. Thanksfully someone has found your whinny hideout and linked to this page. We're not even talking about being subhumans anymore.
That user on reddit copying my works wrote :
"I'm just gonna quote you someone else on the internet"
That "someone else" is me, from NOT on reddit. @Holonomic cannot read a whole post.
I have no active reddit account, and only posted 4 times in my past before being banned there for posting statistics on Black welfare in the USA from the Government statistics. I am NOT user/Infearmal.
@Holonomic is trying to be a jew shill because one of his parents is a Negro and being half black or quarter Black, @Holonomic DOES NOT like reading DNA FACTS about Negroes being a provable different SPECIES not SUBSPECIES.
I thought I had to respond. But I am very very happy to see a red pill of mine pasted nearly verbatim onto reddit! I am smiling so much this hour from spotting it on reddit in user comments even if an admin probably deleted it or hid it.
The repaster on reddit specifically typed this phrase that caucasians can read and comprehend : "I'm just gonna quote you someone else on the internet", and thus @Holonomic is spreading Jew lie disenchantment and narrative shifting and "attacking the messenger not the message".
TL/DR : All my writings are 100% correct and my own, and @Holonomic is hilariously wrong, because my works did not originate on reddit.
Holonomic ago
Quit spamming me you fucking faggot dicklicker.
You plagiarize your shit, or copy it and when you get called out you flip your bean like a deranged faggot.
22226983? ago
LMAO I'm so gonna try this next time some dick corrects me when I say "planet pluto" (etc).
"Ahar dur Pluto isn't a planet"
"You racist!"
"What? how would that make me racist? The criteria for planet excludes pluto..."
"That's a white supremacist dog whistle! Gorilla SPECIES, Bear SPECIES, Wolf SPECIES, Hominid SPECIES..."
oaf ago
I laughed. thanks.
PizzaGate-Is-Real ago
Not sure anyone would understand what you are trying to suggest in that scenario.
PizzaGate-Is-Real ago
The entire argument is premised on "DNA drift distance of under 120,000 years", for which no source is provided.
There do not seem to be any readily available references on this in search engines either.
Where is a source or reference on this claim?
oaf ago
....sigh... Repeat after me : "Gorilla SPECIES, Bear SPECIES, Wolf SPECIES." All those are 120,000 of Genetic Drift on the money.
DNA drift (Genetic Drift) is quantified in all modern papers as a numeric value but there are multiple common equations to provide the value summary. "Genetic Species Concept"
Prior to modern years, ignoring the 120,000 years genetic drift distance, and uses shorter timespans, 2 genera and 78 species of brown bears (Ursus arctos) existed. 78 species of brown bears!!!!! Now there is but one brown bear species, and only the four bear species. Why? Because of modern rules ignoring the old definition of species from 1920 (CH Merriam).
The value of 120,000 will be printed as a genetic drift value with allows some wiggle room, and furthermore needs to be converted from whatever equation being used from whatever taxonomic software is being used.
Its made more complex by drift of a single specific Chromosome in some research rather that "whole organism genome"
the first push to use DNA to clean up all the species classifications started when DNA sequencing became cheap and affordable... in 2009.
In fact the famous 2009 paper on the switchover written by "Robert J. Baker"
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2771874/#R92
1stResponder ago
Genetic drift is a theory based on all too "linear" calculations. The 120,000 years is a best "guestimate" of these calculations based on observations at the cellular level. In other words, simple organisms like bacteria are used to determine a theory of genetic drift in very complex lifeforms like humans. There is no evidence of genetic drift. All species are immutable and follow Nature's order.
oaf ago
Its called MUTATION.
i think you skipped 8th grade biology. Even sunlight causes mutation in human skin (DNA damage for example). Many things cause mutation in egg cell or sperm cell creation.
MUTATION.
Now I am convinced you are not biologically educated based on you erroneously stating :
That's preposterous. All of life would be the same organism forever with no change, and also be a single cell at that, without evolution caused by mutation and selection.
1stResponder ago
Only in the world of Marvel Comics do you get greater powers from mutations. In the real world the very cold fact of reality is that mutations are deleterious and an aberration. Simple observation of Nature manifests everywhere that a very strict order is maintained and is indeed immutable. Your fairy-tale of Marvel-like transcending to a higher form of animals is laughable. Again, the hard-wired instinct of every living creature is achieved through "optimal balance." It explains why homogeneous people created great civilizations and why "diversity" and its outcome of miscegenation always caused the detritus of innovation and the destruction of civilization. Hybrid inviability is a Law of Nature. The sum of traits in a hybrid is inferior to the parent.
I noticed you have resorted to ad hominems, since you cannot explain away Nature's immutable laws. I presented one example of Nature's continuous maintaining of 30 subspecies of white-tailed deer. This was after you claimed that species "freely intermix". The proof is so contrary to your claim, in a court of law it would be deemed a classic summary judgment against you. Furthermore, I provided a well documented case of anthropogenic encroachment whereby buck-to-doe ratios have been greatly skewed due to over-hunting mule deer and white-tailed deer whereby stress has caused an aberration of hybridity. The survival traits of "fight-or-flight" are very different between the two species. The hybrid are easy prey for mountain lions and wolves. It's Nature's strict law of eliminating aberrations. In Nature, hybridity is always confined and eliminated to maintain the Order.
oaf ago
Sorry, but I only read this one single sentence from the above. Truly. I only read this. I have a habit of scanning the center and then reading something. I read these erroneously claims :
I explained that we have been talking about DNA. I only care about and talk about DNA, as we are talking about the definition of species. In many different SPECIES, they can mate and reproduce fertile viable offspring, which means that the definition of SPECIES is "something else" and it is... in 2020 it is based on percent of genetic drift. The definition is primarily based on the amount of DNA divergence.
Why are you talking about "Nature", as if "Nature" is a thing? Is "The Order" a thing? This is not a zoology discussion, or a discussion on philosophy.
DNA! We are talking about DNA and the definition of species.
I regret that I have no time to read your off track discussion, as it seems to indicate you are accusing any of my words as being wrong and I never types a single thing incorrectly, just not clear enough for a layperson. You keep misreading, shifting narrative, and worse.. you keep introducing unrelated straw men arguments.
I can summarize it all up again for you.
A SPECIES in 2020 is a different SPECIES if two example animals cannot breed a viable fertile offspring.
OR:
A SPECIES in 2020 is a different SPECIES if two example animals CAN breed a viable fertile offspring, but each animals DNA has drifted genetically for 120,000 years or more (BEAR SPECIES, GORILLA SPECIES, WOLF SPECIES).
See? Simple.
I even prior wrote verbatim this sentence you keep trying to argue with :
Rewrite that in your mind as : "The DNA of Gorilla SPECIES, Bear SPECIES, Wolf SPECIES, all EASILY interbreed with little problems and also are different from DNA DRIFT DISTANCE half as long as The Negro"
WI am only talking about DNA and Species.
The Negro is a different Species, unless all wolves become renamed one species, like the domestic dog breeds are one species. Since they are temed species, not subspecies, then there is an anomaly. The anomaly is that if we still permit the useful definition of 120,000 year divergent animals like Gorilla SPECIES, Bear SPECIES, Wolf SPECIES, then we have to obviously also put 350,000 year proven divergent Negros in a different SPECIES.
350,000 is far far more divergence than 120,000 years!!!
I feel somehow you are religious and clutching at a religious text to defend false views on science.
Science is not based on feelings, or political correctness.
1stResponder ago
You prove my point. When I talk about the immutable Laws of Nature, you don't know what I'm talking about. The Order is the result of Nature's Laws governing ALL living creatures. Obviously, DNA is a part of that. It's sad so many people are so urbanite that they only recognize concrete and asphalt in their world. Heaven help all those when the electricity goes out.
Your Neanderthal = Humans thesis is dubious and quite a leap in conclusion. I pointed out that your "humans intermixed with Neanderthals" is also dubious. It violates the governing rule of hybrid inviability. The sum of traits of a hybrid are ALWAYS inferior to the overall traits of the parents. Again, this is DNA. By the way, you weren't originally talking about laboratory work here in a petri dish. This however is where you are now taking refuge. Anything chimera can be created in the lab. But, outside of it in the wild, it will not survive.
Obviously, you are talking about in captivity or in the lab. This is NOT so in the wild (Nature). I've already provided ample examples and reasons why this "bar" can never be overcome for hybrids to survive.
First and foremost, it is unfortunate the cladistic categorization (taxonomy) system of life-forms is man-made (i.e. best polemic of an academic guess). Alas, it is the "best" system we have to go by. It's assembly is not consistent, especially when it come to the categorization of humans. Once again, there is a political factor rearing its ugly head. Taxonomy is in itself a good example on how little we know about the living creatures of Earth. When I was in school there was only two Kingdoms. Now, it is something like 6 Kingdoms. The classification of "race" has been eliminated and renamed "subspecies". Some previous "race" classifications have been moved to "Varieties" and vice-versa to subspecies. It is what it is. When you speak of "Negroes", I believe you are referring to Congolese in general. The differences of "racial" traits of humans are far wider than those found in the species of apes. From this perspective, there should be classified different species of humans. The Khoi and the San of southern Africa are so genetically different than northern Europeans, it has been documented that miscarriages frequently occur and when there is offspring, they either die or are found to be sterile.
oaf ago
Not true. There are photographs of documented proof of different species mating in the wild, as well as DNA evidence. One example is a Grizzly Bear mating with a Polar Bear (grolar bear, polar grizz, polizzle, pizzly bear) : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grizzly%E2%80%93polar_bear_hybrid
Your claim is Not true.
1stResponder ago
Again, these are aberrations. They are not the norm or ever would be. I've already provided you with an example of mule deer/White-tailed deer hybrids. And, how they are easy prey to mountain lions and wolves. Hybrids will ALWAYS be eliminated by a myriad of Nature's methods. There would be no species if hybridity was the governing rule, but it is not and quite the opposite. I also provided further proof that hybridity is confined and restricted in Nature in which every aberration is eliminated. This is what I previously mentioned is called a "hybrid zone". It is a narrow region in which genetically distinct populations come into contact and produce at least some offspring of mixed ancestry. The hybrid zone is a hybrid sink. A hybrid sink is characterized by a reduction of population density caused by reduced fitness of hybrids. In otherwise, hybrid inviability is at work and the elimination of each aberration is under way.
I'm very aware of the grizzly/polar bear hybrid you mention. If I recall correctly, it was a specimen that was shot. It is indeed an aberration. The grizzly and polar bear are wired to be very different in terms of behavioral traits and phenotype. It's very possible that this hybrid was sterile. If not, then it had a very high probability of never finding a mate. If it couldn't find a mate, there's a high probability the hybrid would otherwise succumb to disease as a result of cellular inflammation (microchimerism) and disease. Hybridity affects the chemical balance of the brain. Perhaps, the reason the bear was shot because of its odd and aggressive behavior. Which "fight-or-flight" instinct did have? If any at all? Earlier, I provided info on mulattoes of suffering from a multiple of different congenital diseases. Mulattoes have a much higher rate of mental diseases, including schizophrenia, bipolarism, and more.
I've read the links you provided and more. My conclusion is different. Just like the "proved beyond any doubt" global warming narrative, I am stating the Neanderthal/human hybrid is a narrative for keeping you from knowing your true origin. The only mutations providing increased intelligence, superior ability, skill, or strength is found in the Marvel Comics.
PizzaGate-Is-Real ago
Thank you for the link, that's extremely interesting.
I question how feasible that is across the spectrum of living things as a whole because sequencing all living things is a massive and almost impossible endeavor, but I imagine it's within the realm of possibility for mammals and humans specifically.
I guess similar could be said of the current reproductive isolation classification method as well.
oaf ago
Its mostly happening. In fact this is and exact quote taken verbatim from that 2009 paper I cited above :
DNA sequencing of whole genomes for multiple species is becoming less expensive, easier, and faster (Chan 2005; Zwick 2005), and such technological advances will result in a new research landscape for the interface of genetic information and studies on mammalian systematics, biodiversity, speciation, and so on. As a result, genetic profiles will soon be generated for many, if not most, mammalian species.
it also mentions , you only need to do it 5,000 times for 5,000 assumed known mammal species.
But true... there are many many other animals than mammals.
At least it will result in cleaning up the big mess of "what is a species or not"
The resistance is like the "planet pluto" resistance. And It is the unmentionable issue of African Negroid Hominids being well proven different species than "Homo Sapien sapiens"