About three and a half times, not five, but you're on the right track and not too far off. But that's by straight death numbers, not percentages.
It looks a little more dangerous for cops if you look at it by rate. The number is the rate of occupational injury by full time equivalent worker (total injury divided by total hours worked by the class of employee, all times a presumed number of full time hours for 100,000 employees), so think of it as a factor of how likely any employee in that field is likely to die per hour they work. All numbers are from 2017, and include only civilian occupations, not military.
Cops have a rate of 12.9, while "management occupations" is 1.1. Which means we have a lot more cops than managers. I think there is something to get out of that. Looking at a subset of "managment occupations", "Farmers, ranchers, and other agricultural managers", the rate 24.0. So you're twice as likely to die per hour of running a farm or ranch than as a cop.
But wait, there's more. "First-line supervisors of landscaping, lawn service, and groundskeeping workers" is 21.0, and "Grounds maintenance workers" is 15. So Juan and Pedro mowing your yard are more likely to die at work than a cop. "Taxi drivers and chauffeurs" are comparable to cops, at 10.4. "Driver/sales workers and truck drivers" are 26.8, "Refuse and recyclable material collectors" 35.0 (your garbage man is three times as likely to die at work as a cop), "Aircraft pilots and flight engineers" 48.6, "roofers" 45.2, "Logging workers" 84.3, "Fishers and related fishing workers" mother fucking 99.8...
Let me just make a table, that should help. Do note the high margin of error on the first two categories, but it doesn't change this conclusion. Basically, cops are twentieth on the list.
num
Characteristic
Total fatal injuries
Total hours worked (millions)
Fatal injury rate
Margin of error
1
Fishers and related fishing workers
41
82
99.8
34.6
2
Logging workers
55
126
84.3
20.2
3
Aircraft pilots and flight engineers
59
230
48.6
7.6
4
Roofers
91
403
45.2
6
5
Refuse and recyclable material collectors
30
172
35
7.5
6
Structural iron and steel workers
14
84
33.4
9.1
7
Driver/sales workers and truck drivers
987
7341
26.8
0.9
8
Farmers, ranchers, and other agricultural managers
258
2153
24
2.2
9
First-line supervisors of landscaping, lawn service, and groundskeeping workers
53
504
21
2.5
10
Farming, fishing, and forestry occupations
264
2387
20.9
1.9
11
Electrical power-line installers and repairers
26
279
18.7
3.1
12
First-line supervisors of construction trades and extraction workers
121
1391
17.4
1.2
13
Maintenance and repair workers, general
87
1046
16.6
1.3
14
Miscellaneous agricultural workers
154
1736
16.4
1.8
15
Transportation and material moving occupations
1443
18068
15.9
0.4
16
Helpers, construction trades
11
127
15.7
3.6
17
Grounds maintenance workers
191
2406
15.5
0.9
18
Construction laborers
259
3613
14.2
0.6
19
First-line supervisors of mechanics, installers, and repairers
35
533
13.1
1.7
20
Police and sheriff's patrol officers
95
1476
12.9
1
21
Construction and extraction occupations
965
15698
12.2
0.3
22
Mining machine operators
7
120
11.7
3.4
23
Natural resources, construction, and maintenance occupations
1643
28143
11.5
0.2
24
Operating engineers and other construction equipment operators
45
763
11.3
1
25
Other extraction workers
7
129
10.8
3.1
26
Taxi drivers and chauffeurs
62
1176
10.4
0.9
27
Production, transportation, and material moving occupations
1664
34975
9.4
0.2
28
Painters, construction and maintenance
44
986
8.9
0.8
29
Athletes, coaches, umpires, and related workers
24
503
8.7
1.1
Note that you should see the sourced spreadsheet to understand the categories. Some are nested, but the presentation of categories is not straightforward. For example, "Aircraft pilots and flight engineers" is a subset of "Transportation and material moving occupations", but not all other subsets are listed in the source table.
If you look at the causes of police injuries and deaths on the job, they're almost all from car accidents. Much as Voat loves to circlejerk about <racial epithet of choice> being a hazard to cops, it's pretty much a rounding error. The real hazard to cops is that driving a car around town all day is a relatively dangerous profession, whether you have a badge or a taxi medallion.
Which makes it immediately obvious that police claiming they need to shoot first and ask questions later "for their safety" are full of bollocks. If they really cared about their safety, they'd buy vehicles with better crash safety ratings.
Which makes it immediately obvious that police claiming they need to shoot first and ask questions later "for their safety" are full of bollocks. If they really cared about their safety, they'd buy vehicles with better crash safety ratings.
Fantastic post, so much information and you even listed sources!
I was just going to say firemen don’t have to worry about saving a cat from tree and having the cat pull a gun on them, or an ambush from other cats while responding to a distress call. Not to mention the other shit of drunk people, resolving violent stupid arguments and whatever other absurd stuff they have to respond to.
I appreciate firemen but i can’t imagine too many things going wrong when responding to the smallest of emergencies. YouTube has several body cam vids of police responding to small emergencies that quickly escalate into gunfire because the suspect pulled a gun. Police risk a lot more everyday than firemen do.
I pass a garage everyday that services police cars for a department that totals maybe two or three dozen vehicles. There is a new wrecked police car probably every other month.
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RebelJohnny ago
5 times as many cops die in the line of duty every year than firefighters, meaning niggers are more dangerous than a raging inferno.
glassuser ago
About three and a half times, not five, but you're on the right track and not too far off. But that's by straight death numbers, not percentages.
It looks a little more dangerous for cops if you look at it by rate. The number is the rate of occupational injury by full time equivalent worker (total injury divided by total hours worked by the class of employee, all times a presumed number of full time hours for 100,000 employees), so think of it as a factor of how likely any employee in that field is likely to die per hour they work. All numbers are from 2017, and include only civilian occupations, not military.
Cops have a rate of 12.9, while "management occupations" is 1.1. Which means we have a lot more cops than managers. I think there is something to get out of that. Looking at a subset of "managment occupations", "Farmers, ranchers, and other agricultural managers", the rate 24.0. So you're twice as likely to die per hour of running a farm or ranch than as a cop.
But wait, there's more. "First-line supervisors of landscaping, lawn service, and groundskeeping workers" is 21.0, and "Grounds maintenance workers" is 15. So Juan and Pedro mowing your yard are more likely to die at work than a cop. "Taxi drivers and chauffeurs" are comparable to cops, at 10.4. "Driver/sales workers and truck drivers" are 26.8, "Refuse and recyclable material collectors" 35.0 (your garbage man is three times as likely to die at work as a cop), "Aircraft pilots and flight engineers" 48.6, "roofers" 45.2, "Logging workers" 84.3, "Fishers and related fishing workers" mother fucking 99.8...
Let me just make a table, that should help. Do note the high margin of error on the first two categories, but it doesn't change this conclusion. Basically, cops are twentieth on the list.
Note that you should see the sourced spreadsheet to understand the categories. Some are nested, but the presentation of categories is not straightforward. For example, "Aircraft pilots and flight engineers" is a subset of "Transportation and material moving occupations", but not all other subsets are listed in the source table.
Source: "Census of Fatal Occupational Injuries (CFOI) - Current and Revised Data " https://www.bls.gov/iif/oshcfoi1.htm#rates - direct link to spreadsheet: https://www.bls.gov/iif/oshcfoi1.htm#rates
daskapitalist ago
If you look at the causes of police injuries and deaths on the job, they're almost all from car accidents. Much as Voat loves to circlejerk about <racial epithet of choice> being a hazard to cops, it's pretty much a rounding error. The real hazard to cops is that driving a car around town all day is a relatively dangerous profession, whether you have a badge or a taxi medallion.
Which makes it immediately obvious that police claiming they need to shoot first and ask questions later "for their safety" are full of bollocks. If they really cared about their safety, they'd buy vehicles with better crash safety ratings.
glassuser ago
Yep.
And definitely yep.
Octoclops ago
So fishermen are the real heroes.
VapidGopher ago
Fantastic post, so much information and you even listed sources!
I was just going to say firemen don’t have to worry about saving a cat from tree and having the cat pull a gun on them, or an ambush from other cats while responding to a distress call. Not to mention the other shit of drunk people, resolving violent stupid arguments and whatever other absurd stuff they have to respond to.
I appreciate firemen but i can’t imagine too many things going wrong when responding to the smallest of emergencies. YouTube has several body cam vids of police responding to small emergencies that quickly escalate into gunfire because the suspect pulled a gun. Police risk a lot more everyday than firemen do.
solvire ago
great info! thanks for sharing.
Jay_Mac ago
So the most dangerous careers involve driving? LMAO loggers, fisherman, and miners btfo.
cthulian_axioms ago
Open-ocean fishing is dangerous for many other reasons than the simple operation of a vehicle.
Diggernicks ago
Idk about whatever shithole state you live in but where I live 900+ people died in traffic accidents last year. That's a large number.
Granite_Pill ago
Furthermore, the number one killer of LEO's is traffic accidents, not suspects.
glassuser ago
I couldn't easily find a citation to back that (or to refute it), but it wouldn't surprise me one bit.
FuckBlackRifleCoffee ago
I pass a garage everyday that services police cars for a department that totals maybe two or three dozen vehicles. There is a new wrecked police car probably every other month.