The Ideology Of Madness: Five Ways The American Right Has Become Just Like The Nazis. (politics)

submitted ago by Sicario

1) Moving the goalposts.

The right has worked diligently behind the scenes for many decades to shift the centre of political discourse as far right as possible. It began with the "Red Scare" of the Cold War era, and systematically continued long after the dissolution of the former Soviet Bloc. Consider the recent American election as the quintessential example. Americans were presented a false political dichotomy between a right wing war hawk who voted to invade Iraq, and a man who kept a book of Hitler speeches on his bedside table. Hardly the fullest representation of the ideological smorgasbord.

Those of us old enough to remember the Cold War should consider that many of the same character smears and arguments the right now uses against Liberals, it once used against Communists.

How the right has continued to unilaterally push the system in modern years is a matter of pressure, especially upon the media. Which brings us nicely onto point two.

2) Charging the media with Liberalism.

Concluding their analysis of the MSM over the past half a century, Ed Herman and Noam Chomsky discovered in 1988 that this accusation was categorically false. Furthermore, the vast amount of material evidence they gathered supports that the opposite is true. The MSM is bullied -- and kept on the back foot -- by a perpetual wave of criticism from the right that it has a Liberal bias, and it is precisely this ceaseless pressure which prevents it from venturing too far outside the false dichotomy of right and further right. The terminology used by Herman and Chomsky is "flak", and it effectively restricts the media through its advertising clients, who throw a disgruntled tantrum if the political views of their customer base are ever offended.

3) Resurrection of nationalism.

As the great Albert Einstein once said: "Nationalism is the measles of mankind." It is a religion in which the place of origin is perceived as the deity, unifying its followers and inflaming them with a common purpose. Defend the country. Defend the god. It is the same primitive form of social control packaged slightly differently. Dictators and demagogues adore things like nationalism and religion because they are great unifiers of people. Love of king and country, and so forth...

4) Calculated projection.

Many people are familiar with Hitler's "big lie" (that is, you tell an absolute whopper and just keep repeating it over and over and over again), but the modern right has adopted a considerably more sinister technique from their German ancestors. This can be illustrated in the form of very deliberately accusing the opposition of their own crimes.

The Nazis of course were vehemently anti-Communist and anti-Jewish, and wanted every piece of leftist literature out of The Reichstag. So, they simply burned down The Reichstag and accused the Communists of doing it before they could make any statements to the contrary. On the smaller scale of internet debating forums, this technique is applied constantly by right wing trolls, who turn up by the dozen in "fake news" threads they have spammed with upvotes, to accuse the sole dissenter of being a CIA shill or Communist spy. More often than not the people spamming these threads know the sources are complete bunk because a thirty second media bias fact check red flags them as extremely untrustworthy. But they continue to spam them with upvotes and call anybody who interferes a shill. This is calculated projection, and with a distinctly Nazi flavour (i.e. brute force the dissenters).

5) Populism.

A more egregious beast than even nationalism, populism is the anti-Christ of the ideological kingdom for the simple reason that it works to reverse cause and effect. No longer should that which is true be popular. Instead, that which is popular becomes true. Populism is the sparkling eye of the deceiver. His justification to tell you to go kill yourself when you point out the duplicity of his words. The emperor laughing at your "stupidity" when you tell him he isn't wearing any clothes. Children run their societies based upon popularity. Adults run their societies based upon the law of truth and reason.

For these reasons, far right philosophy is the product of regressive thinking and reminiscent of more primitive times both in our own lives and as a species. If humanity is permitted to subjectively shape that which is demonstrably objective -- truth -- then humanity becomes a self-consuming snake, attacking itself in a perpetual state of hungry madness.

It all comes down to this. The right wants a strict hierarchical order to society, where your worth is a direct representation of your economic output. It wants you competing for the same jobs and the same resources, without ever considering how much more we could achieve were we all moving in the same direction. Things like religion, nationalism, patriotism and populism are all popular with the far right for the exact same reason. They all offer ways outside the constraints of logic to unite people to the common goal of power, whenever it is considered necessary.

If you have read through all of my bullshit to the very end, then I thank you kindly for spending your time with me.

Peace.

Fiacre54 ago

Understand what? You still haven't given me anything that substantiates jew hate. Is there anything on that site that isn't just Jew bad because not Christian. Because saying Jews are bad because they don't believe in your prophet makes you just like the Muslims.

Fiacre54 ago

Is your post a joke or something? That link is just to some low grade white nationalist shit. Posting this just validates the OP.

Fiacre54 ago

Ok, I honestly never understood jew hate. Can you explain to me why I should be hating jews?

Ywis ago

There might'be been a few decent points worth arguing here but the title kills it for me. If your going to lead with LITERALLY HITLER I'm out. I'm interested in a more center leaning GOP but your never gonna get there starting with Nazi comparisons.

ShitsInPringlesCans ago

How does this have 222 upvoats here? Who's supporting all this bullshit here?

frankenmine ago

Nazism is short for Nationalsozialismus i.e. National Socialism in German.

They were leftists you fucking idiot.

Bfwilley ago

Got to call shenanigans on that. Oh and throw in a heaping helping of pathetic Bolshevism to.

CrudOMatic ago

Great way to prove OP right, dick monkey.

You're either 14, in SRS, or both - because that's some low-effort shit, faggot.

DalesDead-Bug ago

That's funny. It's the kike playbook projected on to white America. Eat shit.

Notaxation ago

The OP is correct. Lets all turn Marxist!

lord_nougat ago

Boring!

Let's all turn JAPANESE!

TheGatekeeper ago

The people have spoken. And they have been very clear.

They said we want NO MORE NAZIS.

GrandpaPepe ago

Just another SJW with perverse ideology. Nothing to see here folks.

olinneserpona ago

This is like listening to a child going "No I am not, you said it first so therefore you are these things" We are not living in backwards-land boy. Almost every thing you have listed here is a trademark of socialists and that's why I left the left years ago.

You claim to be an experienced man; why haven't you learned the difference between real liberalism and the "far right" bullshit you are talking about? YOU ARE ALL SOCIALISTS. COMMUNIST, NAZI, FASCIST, SOCIALIST, IT DOESN'T MATTER BECAUSE YOU ARE ALL THE FUCKING SAME SCUM OF THE LEFT.

wuzizname ago

Uh huh. Your mom's calling, I think your tendies are done cooking in the toaster oven.

rebootko ago

Are you sure you are not confusing left and right?

Bastionof_freespeech ago

Republican wins: it's just like 1930's Germany now! Democrat wins: the country is going to be communist!

Porphyrogennetos ago

it effectively restricts the media through its advertising clients, who throw a disgruntled tantrum if the political views of their customer base are ever offended.

That's not the right's fault. Most companies are far more susceptible, in the same way you mentioned, to left wing pressure of the EXACT SAME kind. This is an actual counterpoint to what you're trying to convey. The left exerts much more force upon the media than the right does. It's why there are so many more left wing media outlets and why most of them were in the bag for Hillary. Trump got raked over the coals through out the ENTIRE campaign process, at the behest of leftists exerting political pressure. It's what sells newspapers/magazines and subscriptions. It's pandering and nothing more.

As the great Albert Einstein once said: "Nationalism is the measles of mankind."

The man was an autistic with poor social regulatory skills. He's hardly a model for social policy.

This can be illustrated in the form of very deliberately accusing the opposition of their own crimes.

This is something the left does with far more skill and regular occurrence. Nobody deflects and projects more than leftists do. Everything you said following this is far more prominent among the left, although both sides are guilty.

HeavyBrain ago

Those of us old enough to remember the Cold War

Oh I member.

OP you member that on voat the walls of text bulshit doesnt fly (especially when its copypasta)

CrudOMatic ago

The MSM is bullied -- and kept on the back foot -- by a perpetual wave of criticism from the right that it has a Liberal bias

This is too funny, the media clearly has a liberal bias - all they've done the election cycle is lie their asses off about Trump and lie in favor of Hillary. FFS, we already know they collude with the DNC - ever read Wikileaks? Oh, I know you'll trot out the typical liberal tripe that Wikileaks is fake... they weren't too fake when they were shitting all over Bush and Republicans in general, were they? WL was lionized by the left and turned into a bastion of truth and transparency. Now that they're spilling your shit, they're fake.

Don't worry though - your wonderful liberal administration had Assange blackbagged, no one knows if he's still alive, and Wikileaks appears to be compromised. Funny how the evil Bush administration didn't take him out, but the liberal Obama admin did.

CrudOMatic ago

Left-wing hyperbolic garbage. Into the trash it goes.

I guess you guys aren't going to learn your lesson - that this type of shit is why Trump is now your president. Nah, go ahead and continue calling everyone racists/sexists/nazis/etc, and lose the 2020 election as well.

scandalouspizza ago

I read that jerk off session you had with yourself, but this is where i draw the line. you say that, but when a rational mind looks at progessives this is EXACTLY how they've arranged their party.

The world sure could use more "Left vs Right" bickering! It's not like we have anything more important to discuss than whether this guy's misrepresented one side or another.

CrudOMatic ago

> comes to sow left vs right discord

> castigates people for "doing the same"

Reddit is such a wonderful place - full of leftist hypocrites and drooling donkey punchers.

scandalouspizza ago

Oh, I got yet another response from a piece of shit psychopath shill troll? Neat!

JanMichaelVincent ago

The Nazis also, um, wore hats!!! And Trump supporters wear hats! It's literally Hitler, nooooooo!

This is so desperately sad.

Mike_S ago

Hahahaha, bullshit is the right word to describe this... What a steaming pile of crap!

amyshulk ago

Alinsky Tactics out in force today I see

uvulectomy ago

Don't forget we're also not the ones assaulting people at opponent's rallies, assaulting people for voting against our views, assaulting CHILDREN for having a different opinion, etc...

Compilation shows Trump supporters being BRUTALLY attacked while media blames them

Homeless woman protecting Trump star is attacked

Liberals kick, punch, harass, & steal from old man cause they thought he was a Trump voter

Anti-Trump protesters bully women in Chicago - Nov 9 2016 (0:37 "Hell, knock her ass out!")

SHOCKING VIDEO: California High School Student BRUTALLY BEATEN For Supporting Trump

Student says he was attacked for supporting Trump in mock election

Aaaand I see several have been removed because "reasons"... Fortunately I saved all of them. Someone wanna toss me the name of a reputable place to drop a zip file with all the aforementioned videos?

kittysaysmeownow ago

omg go back to reddit. You're not going to like it here.

Tisias ago

You lost the election. I know it hurt. But you lost.

Your team rigged the election against a truly progressive candidate who could have defeated Trump, but they went with with someone as unlikable as Trump.

The entire media media establishment was in the tank for Hillary, and they still couldn't pull it off.

And the Nazi card was played early and often throughout this campaign. And you still lost.

So, grow up. Deal with it. And move on.

wgtt911 ago

yep, Reddit fag shill post.. having said that, ain't it cool

monkeytoe101 ago

Bullshit post go home.

LoftyGoat ago

very deliberately accusing the opposition of their own crimes

Jonathan Kellerman said it best: When a sociopath accuses someone of something, it's most likely something he's doing himself.

armday2day ago

OP, good luck selling an idea by calling people nazis when they aren't literally nazis.

And Voat in general fails by just calling OP a faggot or a shill instead of choosing at least one point to dissect.

One-Way_Bus ago

These are tired , unoriginal left wing talking points about the right. Other than diehard left wingers, no one is buying the Nazi meme. It didn't work before Nov. 8, and it will continue not to work. Calling people racist and Nazi for not agreeing with you doesn't make you a Nazi.

Crensch ago

WTF I love Hillary now.

xeemee ago

The MSM is bullied ...

bullied huh ... how about 'owned'?

A_Colostomy_Bag ago

You're missing examples. There's passion but no substance.

D-

xeemee ago

The Nazis of course were vehemently anti-Communist and anti-Jewish, and wanted every piece of leftist literature out of The Reichstag. So, they simply burned down The Reichstag and accused the Communists of doing it [...]

good luck proving that one out ...

gentlemanadventurer ago

1.3 days. Leftist Agent provocateur. Propaganda. They will never stop trying to erode America. First they dehumanize the American people and the conservative voters and supporters, while they carryout acts of actual physical violence and domestic terrorism and fear tactics. This desensitizes their paid for agents to digging open pits then lining up their conservative political enemies, Women Children, and Men, and shooting them in the back of the head and burring them in mass unmarked graves. They call this "progressive" or "liberal" thinking now. If you don't fear these people you are not paying attention.

guinness2 ago

If every person that cucks accused of being a Nazi were to vanish, there would be nobody left.

ThirteenthZodiac ago

Well this post is a flaming pile of dog shit.

ShineShooter ago

Come fuck yourself shill!

WEHRMACHT_BITCHES_AT ago

that which is demonstrably objective -- truth --

Like the truth of how kikes, niggers and muslims are demonstrably a scourge to civilized society

CrudOMatic ago

No, no - not that kind of truth. That kind of truth is too much truth. He means how government is warm & fuzzy, and the founding fathers were big dummies to tell you not to trust it. Also, how guys who pretend to be girls REALLY ARE girls - you just gotta believe really hard. Haven't you ever watched a Disney movie? RAYCIS.

WEHRMACHT_BITCHES_AT ago

Real National Socialism is the cure not the poison. Get in the oven.

Arrvee ago

It began with the "Red Scare" of the Cold War era

The "red scare" was not the right. It was bipartisan. Both parties were on the lookout for spies because the Soviets really were sending spies everywhere. Many well-intentioned liberals did join Communist-run groups and fall for their propaganda.

Charging the media with Liberalism.

The media has stopped being Liberal and has jumped past Leftist to being Islamist. The heads of NYT and LAT have been seen with Arab princes and emirs. What a coincidence.

Noam Chomsky is a fraud not worth listening to.

Resurrection of nationalism.

Nationalism is the normal state of affairs. Everybody of all political ideologies, left, right, and center, is expected to put their nation's interests ahead of foreigners.

Calculated projection

Both sides are guilty of this. Only the left's projection is run uncritically in the media.

Populism

Both sides are guilty of this. The left has print and TV media saying they represent the will of the people. The right has AM talk radio.

Not one of these points is on target or unique to the right.

Troll ago

Fucking hell nigger, you expect me read all that shit? By you? You ain't no Chomsky, have a downvote.

hamans_revenge ago

What, you would read Chomsky? I wouldn't.

Rainy-Day-Dream ago

i'm in my 20s i live in a blue state i'm a homosexual and i'm going into college with a stem major i'm i a bunch of voting demographics, but i fully believe that hitler was right and did nothing wrong, the holocaust didn't happen but it should have.

so i don't really appriciate you throwing aroud "nazi" as a buzzword especially as something negative you're talking about hardworking patriots that rebuilt a strong country in a trying time ad strived for peace

normalegg ago

OP must be dislexic

shakin_my_head ago

If you replaced right with left this article would be spot on. The right gets beaten and labeled racist all day every day just for having a difference of opinion. This news is left out of the alphabet news evert time. The far right is anarchy the far left is facism. Pull your head out of your ass.

JanMichaelVincent ago

The left will blame the enemy of being what they themselves are guilty of.

HeavyBrain ago

See: Accepting the outcome of the election.

purr ago

On the smaller scale of internet debating forums, this technique is applied constantly by right wing trolls, who turn up by the dozen in "fake news" threads they have spammed with upvotes, to accuse the sole dissenter of being a CIA shill or Communist spy.

I cannot say I agree with most of what you're saying, but the shilling accusations on here worry me. Often people will be called shills just because of their point of view. I've seen 2-hour old accounts mindlessly praising Hillary Clinton: this may have been actual CTR shills. Often, shill accusations are much more dubious.

ScreaminMime ago

Let us know when the right starts to pay people to disrupt the opposition's rallies and rioting like the German Socialist Workers Party and modern Progressives are both known for.

The_Prophets_Profit ago

OP is cucked at the ideological level.

scandalouspizza ago

And you get +15 for that snarky, hand-wavy potshot? Wow. Such Independent Thinking. Very Voat.

CrudOMatic ago

Cucks get dismissed out of hand. Quit working for CTR, and make some actual arguments that don't involve breaking Godwin's law right out of the gate, or calling everyone sexist/racist/whatever. Quit ignoring empirical evidence if it goes against your world view, and quit propping up faulty studies that do support your world view. Also, probably most importantly, quit policing language - I'll say any goddamn thing I wish, any time I wish, and I don't care if you happen to be posting from your safe-space.

This is why you lost, and it seems you're on the fast track to losing in 2020 as well. Just like a spoiled brat, it takes constant punishment for you to learn.

scandalouspizza ago

What the actual fuck are you supposed to be on about?

make some actual arguments

Somehow the comment I responded to didn't trigger your rage, even though it was completely devoid of any arguments.

Here it is, in its entirety:

OP is cucked at the ideological level.

The OP made a long-ass, thoughtful post, and gets buried under hand-wavy ad-hominem sewage like that. But that's just fine with you. But when someone points out that trash comments are trash, you lose your fucking mind?

CrudOMatic ago

Somehow the comment I responded to didn't trigger your rage, even though it was completely devoid of any arguments.

He's not the problem, you are - cuckoldry aficionado. Make an actual argument instead of breaking Godwin's law right out of the gate, or having to accuse everyone of sexism/racism/whatevermadeupbullshityouhavetoday. OP's, and liberals in general, arguments are invalid because you can't follow simple rules. Break the rules, get dismissed. It's that easy.

trigger your rage

Don't flatter yourself, it makes your ass look fat - faggot.

scandalouspizza ago

What a fucking annoying piece of shit psychopath you are.

Gerplunckamo ago

I don't care if you happen to be posting from your safe-space

He said, posting from his safespace.

CrudOMatic ago

There are no safespaces in realityland.

DamoclesofBenghazi ago

This just in: OP IS A FAGGOT

Consequence-Earned ago

I'm done caring about what people call me. It's time to make America great again

smokratez ago

The MSM is bullied

Are you a juice or another self hating white boy?

shakin_my_head ago

I think he is. Reddit is feriously sending their snowflake army in hopes of stemming the flow.

HeavyBrain ago

Hmm.

We are Nazis right.

They send sonwflakse, dont they?

Well lets see how the sonwfalkes deal with this

newoldwave ago

Is this opposite day?

Crashmarik ago

Rectal Cranial Inversion ?

https://i.imgflip.com/2/k18e5.jpg

Rainy-Day-Dream ago

you say that like nazis are somehow bad

BoiseNTheHood ago

I see OP has taken to using multiple accounts to upvote their own drivel now.

Rebel_Media_FTW ago

Desperation is a good sign.

Runaway-White-Slave ago

OP is a JEW...

Probably a Hasbara, ADL, JDF, or some other organized Jew. Although his name is apparently taken from a shit movie title, with just a little change in spelling you have Sicarii, a group of rather interesting Jewish Zealots going back at least as far as the time of Christ. I actually kind of respect their cause and attitudes towards the Roman occupation, but I'm sure the Romans thought they were real nasty motherfuckers.

It's that or he's likening himself to a "principled FBI agent who is enlisted by a government task force to bring down the leader of a powerful and brutal Mexican drug cartel."

Maybe he's a government funded cloak-&-dagger cock smoker, maybe works for the SPLC and knows there's a bunch of "hate" around here which isn't being stifled enough to suit him? Or maybe he'd just like us to think so...?

Idfk, don't care, but I have every reason to believe he's a dirty Jew, and probably works for the government, of course with all the Pizza-Gate hubbub going on it's quite probable.

Fiacre54 ago

Jesus Christ wtf is up with the jew hate on this website. Saying anti-semite shit makes the OP's point for him you fucking retard.

Buzzzard ago

Jew. Gahr-on-tee it. Hey bubala, all that crap you posted is just a projection of what jews do. LOL. It couldn't be more obvious that a jew posted it than if it had dreadlocks and wore a black fur tire on it head.

BAppreciAting ago

Who acts more like a nazi than israel?!$$$$$.

Reconn ago

OP obviously doesn't know that much about Nazis or he wouldn't be trying to compare his own countrymen to them (I assume he's an American for the purposes of his post and the spelling of his words). The points of his post don't even really say anything, its just a bunch of cherry picked quotes and some loosely tied together talking points to shill in the general direction of liberalism. IMO it feels like a highschool essay we all had to bullshit through in school. lol. "I reached the required word count, I'm done with this shit."

You could make a half-dozen of this posts of this quality "The Ideology Of Madness: Five Ways The American Right Has Become Just Like The Holy Roman Empire." "The Ideology Of Madness: Five Ways The American Right Has Become Just Like The Mongols." "The Ideology Of Madness: Five Ways The American Right Has Become Just Like Napoleonic France."

It's just lazy. If OP can't take the time to write something of some quality to persuade people to his ideological standpoint, then arguably OP doesn't care about his ideology all that much anyway.

scandalouspizza ago

its just a bunch of cherry picked quotes and some loosely tied together talking points to shill in the general direction of liberalism. IMO it feels like a highschool essay we all had to bullshit through in school. lol.

What a devastating argument you put forward there. It's so obvious you're right and the OP is wrong that you didn't even need to fucking quote anything he said to make it clear what exactly you're supposedly addressing!

Plavonica ago

It's just lazy. If OP can't take the time to write something of some quality to persuade people to his ideological standpoint, then arguably OP doesn't care about his ideology all that much anyway.

OP doesn't care, OP get paid any way.

TheGatekeeper ago

It's just lazy. If OP can't take the time to write something of some quality to persuade people

And yet you have been unable to disprove a SINGLE WORD of it. Instead, you've simply insulted the OP and upvoted yourself 13 times, like the rather blatant little Nazi shill you are.

Quintus_Sertorius ago

I like changing skin from time to time and people like OP gives new accounts a bad name. Fuck him.

ZedsDeadBabe ago

They aren't going to like this thread much. Lol.