Ping Pong-Eye Movement Desensitization and Reprocessing (EMDR) (pizzagatewhatever)

submitted ago by AngB23

Remember the older moves where a psychiatrist would dangle a large pocket watch in front of someone's face and swing it back and forth like a pendulum to hypnotize them? It seem kinda of hocus pocus yet, there are studies that have bee done on this repetitive motion and how it affects people.

I can't remember where exactly I found this picture, but of course, it caught my eye. It known as EMDR, Eye Movement Densitization and Reprocessing.

https://imgoat.com/uploads/ae27d77ca2/204427.jpg

Here's a study that was done:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3951033/

Some highlights:

"EMDR therapy is an empirically validated treatment for trauma, including such negative life experiences as commonly present in medical practice."

"EMDR therapy provides physicians and other clinicians with an efficient approach to address psychological and physiologic symptoms stemming from adverse life experiences."

"Its ability to rapidly treat unprocessed memories of these adverse experiences has important implications for the medical community, as they appear to be the foundation for an array of clinical symptoms."

"One of the components used during the reprocessing phases is composed of dual attention stimuli in the form of bilateral eye movements, taps, or tones"

'Importantly, while CBT trauma treatments involve one to two hours of daily homework to achieve positive effects, EMDR therapy uses none."

Second Study:

https://drarielleschwartz.com/emdr-case-study-marie/#.XIFgPKB7mUl

This one is rather chilling. It gives a hypothetical story of a girl that was raped and how EMDR therapy and how someone can rather quickly "get over" the rape and become desensitized.

IF CPP and what we feel could be taking place there or with those connected to this place can bring children around PingPong tables for "therapy" for what they have been through, to learn to accept or desensitize what has happened to them, rather quickly, it could explain why some of these kids are easily abused.

I just tapped into this therapy and have more to research but wanted to see if anyone else has heard of this?

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3141592653 ago

I'm quite familiar with EMDR as a treatment for PTSD. It's not nefarious at all. Lots of valid research to back it up.

AngB23 ago

Not saying EMDR is nefarious, IF it is used in the right hands for the right reasons. Any psychological method can be abused depending on the intent.

3141592653 ago

I hear ya

letsdothis3 ago

This is a very good find. I always thought the way Alefantis et al trained young people to continuously move around the ping pong table with paddle in one hand and beer in another odd. This post begins to make some sense of it imo.

Eye movement desensitization and reprocessing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eye_movement_desensitization_and_reprocessing

It was developed by Francine Shapiro in the 1990s and has been controversial, with critics citing ongoing concerns over the quality of evidence,[6][7] contradictory findings,[8] significant rates of researcher bias,[7] and dropout rates in studies.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francine_Shapiro

EMDR is recommended as an effective treatment for trauma in numerous international practice guidelines, including those of the American Psychiatric Association and the Department of Defense.

Shapiro is a senior research fellow emeritus at the Mental Research Institute, Palo Alto, California, executive director of the EMDR Institute, Watsonville, California, and founder and president emeritus of EMDR Humanitarian Assistance Programs, a non-profit organization that coordinates disaster response and pro bono trainings worldwide.

Mental Research Institute https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mental_Research_Institute

The Palo Alto Mental Research Institute (MRI) is one of the founding institutions of brief and family therapy.[1] Founded by Don D. Jackson and colleagues in 1958, MRI has been one of the leading sources of ideas in the area of interactional/systemic studies, psychotherapy, and family therapy.

Donald deAvila Jackson https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_deAvila_Jackson

Donald deAvila "Don" Jackson, M.D. (28 January 1920 – 29 January 1968) was an American psychiatrist best known for his pioneering work in family therapy. From 1947 to 1951, he studied under Harry Stack Sullivan.[1] From 1953 to 1962, he worked with Gregory Bateson, John Weakland, Jay Haley and William Fry, developing thinking in the areas of family therapy, brief therapy, systems theory and communication theory. One of the results of this research was the development of the double bind theory of schizophrenia.

voat related post re Bateson:

Adrenochrome, Schizophrenia and the Scottish Rite Masons

R.D. Laing was appointed senior registrar at the Tavistock Clinic in 1956, three years after he left the British Army Psychiatric Unit. He began experimenting with LSD in 1960, and then in 1962 when he became a family therapist at the Tavistock Institute of Human Relations, he also met Gregory Bateson while visiting the U.S. Bateson had been with the Office of Strategic Services (forerunner of the CIA), and then led the MK-Ultra hallucinogen (LSD) project. Bateson's and Margaret Mead's daughter, Mary Catherine Bateson, along with New Ager Jean Houston, would later help Hilary Clinton write IT TAKES A VILLAGE.

AngB23 ago

Great info and thank you. I’ll read thru thus as well. I wondered if children that are abused, they use this method, thru ping pong, after traumatizing events to “calm” the children down or become desensitized to the acts.

Even tho CPP claims to be a family place, i just don’t see it. Especially with the filth bands that play there. It doesn’t make sense.

letsdothis3 ago

Very interesting.

AngB23 ago

Essentially, an EMDR session allows a client to mentally visit a disturbing memory in brief doses while simultaneously focusing on an external stimulus. Not only does EMDR help clients create new associations with traumatic memories, it also helps reduce sensitivity to external events that can trigger those memories while allowing them to learn to exercise control over the future.

The treatment works especially well with children, as they tend to take to the process more quickly than adults. It has consistently outperformed cognitive-behavioral therapy (CBT) in providing quicker resolution to trauma victims. It’s about stimulating both sides of the brain and it’s similar to the eye movements we have during sleep. Like sleep, EMDR helps process memory and move experiences into the past.

AngB23 ago

Another article:

“The therapeutic effects of bilateral stimulation were discovered by Francine Shapiro, Ph.D., who grasped their power in psychotherapy. Dr. Shapiro found—quite by accident—that emotional and behavioral symptoms resulting from disturbing experiences tend to resolve naturally when a person allows him/herself to recall various elements of a memory while engaging in bilateral stimulation such as lateral eye movements. Dr. Shapiro and her associates developed a number of procedures for coordinating this “dual awareness”. The procedures have been refined and validated through controlled research at several centers around the world. Precise and careful use of these procedures can lead to a safe processing of memories, such that the negative thoughts and emotions disappear.”

Mentions dual awareness. So digging into this now and this article states:

“These techniques are adapted from the work of Babette Rothschild in “The Body Remembers: The Psychophysiology of Trauma and Trauma Treatment.”

https://www.synergiacounselling.com/using-dual-awareness-to-deal-with-traumatic-memoriesemotional-flashbacks/

Babette Rothschild? Wonder if she has family connections?

1031grnis ago

Interesting if it works. Keep us posted.