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ESOTERICshade ago

@Millennial_Falcon I wish you would reconsider the banning of @commoner. Who else is doing work like this in the forum right now? He was attempting to reconfigure a post so that it would meet the rules. That is exactly what posters are supposed to do. I saw @sensitive2 and @vindicator and I think you give those same instructions to posters in the last week. I wish @commoner would have been given the same chance. Please reconsider the banning of @commoner. His work is too good to be relegated to the back page.

Vindicator ago

I'm not seeing @Commoner in the ban list. Is he still banned? Also, what was the ban for?

ESOTERICshade ago

This is the exact reason I stopped posting, and no other reason. I see no reason for me to dig up details, struggle to fit the rules, and get banned for it. This situation has gotten good posters banned and many stopped posting at all.

finska ago

This is also why I very rarely post. They have truly sucked the life force out of this forum. I have asked this before is there a way to get rid of the moderators who are derailing this investigation?

Vindicator ago

@finska, it was never any mods intent to suck the life out of the investigation. It's very difficult moderating v/pizzagate because there is constant heavy shilling by people paid to post false leads, nutty theories, offensive rants and other forms of shite to push actual research posts backed by linked sources off the front page before people see it. It's not always easy to tell what's what, nor are we supposed to make subjective judgements. We are just supposed to remove what does not satisfy the submission rules the community put in place. We have a v/pizzagatewhatever sub for ALL material that doesn't satisfy the research post rules. Almost nothing is ever removed from it. I don't understand why someone folks don't want to use it or why they think we want to stifle posts. It's exactly the opposite.

finska ago

'it was never any mods intent to suck the life out of the investigation'

Too many good contributers and posts have been banned for me believe that. Sorry.

When interpreting a contentious point in legislation the judgment must consider the intention behind the law. I dont believe the intention behind our rules here would include deleting genuine leads that can further the investigation.

Vindicator ago

Too many good contributers and posts have been banned for me believe that. Sorry.

If you link me to examples, I will research and try to do something about it.

finska ago

Ok thanks. Its mostly MF that does it but here are three examples off the top of my head Jem777, Dark Math and Hojuruku. Loved these guys. Lets not forget some people here have been victims and even tho their style might not perfectly meet the rules doesnt mean they arent moving the investigation forward. Which I believe is the intention behind our rules.

Vindicator ago

Truth be told, I am the one who banned Jem, and it was because he repeatedly ignored the submission rules even when warned by VictorSteinerDavion. If he'd taken any responsibility, I would have unbanned him. But instead he started spreading disinfo. You can read my recent comment history and see what the problem was.

I miss DarkMath as well, and asked O's to review his banning. They decided he should stay banned. He, too, stopped respecting the submission rules.

Hojuruku was destroying people's research posts with long comments about his own research, as well as not following the submission rules.

In my opinion, these three users are good examples of people who "black pilled" -- becoming so frustrated they lost the ability honor niceties like the submission rules. But Voat requires mods to treat them the same as forum-sliding shills. I don't like it, but I do like having a place we can document the best evidence free of corporate profit-driven censorship, so although I do attempt to show people how to post within our rule set, I do ban those who refuse to do so.

Jem777 ago

Excuse me can you point out any disinfo that I posted? I have asked you repeatedly to do this and you won’t. Point out the disinfo @Vindicator even one thing? You did not even follow that day correctly. I posted about Saudi Waleed, Mandolay Bay, Paddock, Danley and Uranium One. Every thing I posted came true. How did I have that info ahead of time? I might be an actual original source. And I have stated repeatedly the threat I am under by posting any of it but am doing it anyway for these kids, and whistleblowers all over. Then you smeared me like you have here. @ finals thank you. You are correct many top researchers have left pizzagate because of this....

@dressage2 @jangles