I know that this was discussed at the time and it was very controversial and everyone made their appeals but the decision stood. However, this is one of the best times ever for the progression of the PizzaGate movement as scandal after scandal brings people closer and closer to being redpilled, and we need everyone and everything we can to help us.
On the 26th of October, Vindicator made the decision to ban Jem777 from the PizzaGate subverse due to disrespecting the rules of the subverse over and over. Specifically, it was rule 1 that was broken too many times in the eyes of the mods, and that warranted a ban.
I was actually talking to Jem that night about a post I wanted to make on Amazon and their twisted Amazon Key service and all of the surveillance etc. She advised me not to instantly say that Amazon was full of pedophiles because people wouldn't accept it, and therefore to drip information slowly so as the appear more rational. I ignored it because people here already know about PG, but that was her way of posting.
Jem then made a post on Stephen Paddock the same day and decided to give her information in small breadcrumbs, since it was a very large post. She planned on updating it regularly with sources, but at the beginning, her post stood without any links. It was deleted and she was banned before she could update it at all.
This was a huge mistake. Jem has always been one of our best researchers, and is a federal witness an a whistleblower. Jem is one of the biggest risk-takers and an asset to our investigation. There are many things that she has shared with me that I can't tell you, but something that is objectively true is that she puts herself out there and, should she need a platform to leave her legacy were she in great danger, we should be the outlet to listen to her and give her a platform to speak on. She possesses the experience and knowledge to make this investigation speed up tenfold.
Mods, unban Jem777. If anything, we need more users like her, not fewer.
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argosciv ago
Preface: I'm only responding here, as I was invited. I would have otherwise left this alone because I am admittedly quite confused as to @Jem777's situation... (herein: J = Jem777)
I remember when J came to v/pizzagatewhatever saying she'd been banned from v/pizzagate, I was quite surprised to hear the news and even hurried over to check the banned users, for verification. I was surprised because even I had noticed a history of lengthy and seemingly well fleshed out and indeed useful submissions - she certainly had the support of many users I trust or have trusted and even I had pinged J to at least a few of my RoC entries. Unfortunately, I felt it best that I not rock the boat, hence not having much to say on the matter and subsequently ceasing to ping J in RoC.
I've kept an eye out for J's posts, though, including those under @Mej777 - I recall upvoating many of them.
I think I missed that one...
I'm a lazy sod, but, can someone point me to the offending thread? (not important, just curious)
Sage advice in most cases, though, things are changing all the time - sometimes bombshells work, other times not so much...
This is where things probably started to come undone a bit. The Vegas shooting and Stephen Paddock 'episode' was fucked up... it took a lot of us off guard. I remember the night of the event and being here casually researching right as the situation began to unfold; I dropped everything and began feverishly spitting out updates, sidenotes and fleeting research into a special RoC entry... the whole thing left a lot of us pissed off and/or confused and having to dig in a hurry, with blatant shillery eating away at our rationality - I mean for fuck's sake... teleporting shooters... fuck me what a shit show...
The mods especially would have been frustrated with trying to discern fake from genuine...
Not that it's my place to question the mods' decision, but, perhaps emotions and confusion got the better of everyone at the time, which left a mark on J's name which is very hard to recover from?
I don't really have much to say to this part other than to agree that J has provided some excellent work from what I remember. I've had my doubts at times and I think we've had disagreements on some topics, but, I can't doubt the effort.
Best I stay neutral on this bit; we do need researchers who put in the effort, that's for sure... not my place to comment further though.
The_Savant ago
Here it is. In this post (that you were pinged in), Jem explains what she was going to do with that post.
I hope Jem is female because at this point I've said "she" too many times to take back lol.
argosciv ago
Oh fucking lol, now I remember!
I dunno if J's still got a bug up their arse about me, but, at no point was I intending to attack J at all - why I was targetted with such aggression by some users is obvious to at least myself.
Indeed, I did respond in kind with a degree of hostility towards anyone who's been doubting me. In telling others to ignore Paddock, it was perhaps a poor choice of words, as I was moreso trying to remind people to curb their emotion & that there's more to the story than just the shooter. Lo and behold, it turns out there was a fucktonne more to it.
The emotion I seemingly expressed there was meant to be mostly ironic and also meant to indicate that, at the time, I was busy with my own research - when I'm balls-deep in 50+ tabs of research, I hate being bothered by shills/in-fighting, hence being a bit frustrated and reacting the way I did.
I'll gladly own every word I said in that thread, even if mistakes were made... it was a shitty period for all of us and perhaps even further evidence to my theory that emotion and confusion got the best of more than a few of us...
@Vindicator (just pinging you in case this is burried a few layers deep)
@Jem777 I remember our disagreement now, as was the case then even with my misunderstanding you, I offer no malice and still trust your work - I don't know if you've kept up with mine at all, but, you're entitled to your opinion of me as always, also.
The_Savant ago
Haha! That was the first time I'd seen your name and remember thinking you were a right prick!
Oh well, experience clears these doubts and you haven't tried to make an enemy of yourself in the same way since.
argosciv ago
Hahaha, I have to quote Eminem - The Way I Am:
I do everything I can to keep a level head here, because I know that my research won't always be met with an open mind - that I will cop pushback on certain topics... sometimes ya gotta push back against the pushback, though :P
Well that's the thing, nothing about me has changed since then... a lot of people just didn't expect me to fly off the handle like that, which begged the question, why did I do it? Because I knew I already had made an enemy of myself and ultimately will continue to do so, as my research has gotten into much more sensitive topics and flies in the face of a lot of deeply in-grained beliefs held here by many users.
I sound like a prick sometimes, because, well, I don't give a fuck about speaking my mind on some topics which are hard to follow. I also swear a lot, being an Aussie, which probably makes it hard to read my state of mind lol.