https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/2033103/10051146
I honestly don't know if this subverse has just become one big larping circlejerk, but the users upvoting this crap should feel ashamed for doing so. This (probably)Shareblue 3141592653 user had 3 submissions on the front page. Embarrassingly irrelevant bullshit on the level of the random hobo or nigger kidnapping and raping a kid.
THAT IS NOT WHAT /v/pizzagate WAS DESIGNED TO DISCUSS
http://archive.is/dik44
1- African children (nobody cares, not linked to elites)
2- Afghan Forces (nobody cares, not linked to elites)
3- Yazidi people (nobody cares, not linked to elites)
4- Random CP website (not linked to elites)
It's obvious that this user does not give a FUCK about the rules of the subverse, but had the gall to ask for a deletion by MF to be overturned. Nice D&C job if there is indeed intent.
I don't blame @Vindicator for his response, @kevdude agreed with his conclusion, and I had to delete the first paragraph of my response, agreeing with them, linked above because I, too was leaning towards that end. I only decided that this was designed to change the rules to allow sliding threads once I began looking at their submissions.
I don't know if there were any other reasons this particular play was made beyond relaxing the rules for slides and possibly some D&C, but even if there might have been some merit to the claim that lower-level military might be useful to investigate, not allowing it seems like the smart move.
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VictorSteinerDavion ago
I've replied here. I do agree that rule 1 should be changed from elite to "those with authority and power" simply just to address the wider issue of how the elite use not-elites as figurative body shields.
At this point the attempts to slide and sow dissent are now at a level that no matter the rules they will still try. It's time to open the trap so they may fall in blindly.
Crensch ago
I think we pretty much decided that leaving things as-is was the way to go for now. Happy to open it back up if you want to even bother with it.
As for the rule change, as an investigative subverse meant to go after those doing these things, what use is opening it up to lower level grunts like military personnel or police officers? What could possibly come from investigating them?
And IF something could come from it, why is that investigation not being done by whomever thinks there's a link before posting it here? If there actually IS a link, it'll stay up per the rules, right?
It basically opens us up to any "possible link" of any low-level scumbag with a little power being considered pizzagate material. That's what was happening with that 314 shill "user"
VictorSteinerDavion ago
I get it, I do understand.
But the elites use their underlings as a shield and to create plausible deniability, which is exactly why Demmink has been able to get away with it for so long.
It's been shown for sometime now in the community that this issue is a contentious one.
I'm understanding both sides of the calls to change it and leave it be.
Something that could help fix the issue is to require a chain of links and connections to the elites in every not-elite focused post, or to show where in the network the individual sits.
This is a hard problem to solve, but the elites are very successfully hiding behind any and every low level scumbag and through that they are able to distance themselves.
I'm going to sit on this for a bit while the current wave of attacks on the mods runs out of steam and see if the community can figure out how they're allowing themselves to be controlled by these types of misleading discussions.
For now nothing needs to be done, but something does need to be done eventually.
Crensch ago
I agree. I think we might be talking past each other above, but hashing it out now is really not an efficient way to go about it since we all seem to agree on the short-term waiting game.