Thanks for posting this in the appropriate subverse, and for voicing your thoughts. I am not sure all those you pinged actually received one. It's my understanding that only the first five pings work. Then you have to ping in comments, five pings per separate comment.
Regarding posts with new evidence being hard to find: we do have a flair for that, as well as "Potential Lead". I try to use these flairs whenever they would be helpful. If you make a comment in the post saying you think it should be flaired, and and why, and ping me, I will evaluate. I don't see a lot of the posts that come in early in the morning East Coast time because I am in a different timezone.
I have a suspicion, though. Since not even the first five reacted, maybe they weren't alerted at all? I am going to ping the other mods now to see if they are alerted or not. @wecanhelp@sensitive@Millennial_Falcon@nnfxx
Thanks, this one worked, the first one didn't per the reason mentioned by Vindicator.
I share your sentiment that the subverse is slowly becoming less and less useful, however, I don't attribute that to modding primarily. You might call me biased about that, of course, but I do try to see the situation clearly, and my feeling is that the community has gotten somewhat exhausted since we see no results no matter how much evidence is being dug up. The growth of the subverse has indeed noticeably slowed down in past few weeks, both in the number of new subscribers and current visitors.
@Vindicator is working on a sticky right now that will hopefully encourage activism within the community, and could lead to some more redpilling eventually. Older users may get tired, but the effect of that on activity could be mitigated with an influx of new users, it's just, as you're saying yourself, very hard to convince new visitors to stay and help when the average submission quality has gotten progressively worse as time passed, potentially exactly due to the growth (and dilution) of the community, which would be a Catch-22 with even more growth.
The good news is that, to my knowledge, the stronger core of investigators has not disappeared, they just moved on to other platforms to work on the case, using Voat more as a media outlet than an investigative environment whenever they have a breakthrough.
Unfortunately, it's very difficult if at all possible to do anything about the overall quality of posts users submit at this point, at least I don't see a direct solution to the problem. But if anybody has an idea that would save the day, us mods are happy to work with you guys and make things happen. We just haven't heard any real good ideas recently, I think.
What if we (and this is a very unpopular idea) got serious about using v/pedogate and making sure v/pizzagate submissions are focussed on what pg started out to be: an investigation of the Podesta emails and leads/finds directly resulting from them and from our early investigation. So for instance, if the post is about Jimmy Saville or satanism or a plummer in Nebraska who raped his niece, it goes in /pedogate NOT pizzagate. As you know, pizzagate has turned into a sub for anything remotely to do with pedophilia. 9/10 (being generous here) of the posts here make me want to comment "what does have to do with pizzagate???" but I say nothing because no one else complains, and I would say this on nearly every post and become hated quickly.
But this is a change we have the power to make, and it makes sense. It would have to come from the top though. And it does hold true to the rules, so shouldn't be that hard to get agreement on.
Thank you for your answer. I did not want to implicate that the flaws I see are attributed to modding primarily, if at all. You probably have to remove posts I deem interesting because they violate a rule.
I strongly disagree about the community having become somewhat exhausted. I see quite the contrary. People want to do something. But it seems like many posts simply don't fit the rules here.
Hey. Just now got your ping. (Kinda feels like a radio call went out and I just got into range.) I've noticed that lately many of the posts are showing up on PG four, five, or even six times a day as separate posts on the same exact topic. Some of that can be explained due to the Search function being intentionally disabled (yes, intentionally-- it's 2017 so a search function is not cutting edge technology) so people can't check to see if that topic has already been posted, but mostly, it's meant to dilute the forum. When newbies and regulars arrive and scroll down and see a bunch of posts from the same day on the same topic it shouts disorganization, confusion, and non-communication. It also drowns out the other posts that should be getting attention. All of this is fixable but... it's not getting fixed. Why? I can guess why and that concerns me. I think it's having a hugely negative affect on the forum.
If users requested a Submission Guideline rule change that would empower mods to remove repeat posts by different users, this could be dealt with more effectively. We are currently limited by Voat's anti-censorship, restrictive definition of spam as being reposts by the same user.
You may need to ping folks in to that thread like horse did with this one. Not a lot of people check new submissions in v/pizzagatemods. You can also post a link to it in the comment section of the sticky I just put up. If you click the "H" formatting button, you can give your comment a headline. Click "Preview" to see how it looks.
Doubtful. :-) More likely, Voat didn't send them because there were MORE than five. I don't know that for a fact, but it wouldn't surprise me. In any case, I wouldn't jump to an interpretation for a silence that could be attributed to a software glitch. Try your pings again. I know it may seem obnoxious, but it's the only way to overcome the navigation/communication barriers of this platform.
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Vindicator ago
Hi there horse,
Thanks for posting this in the appropriate subverse, and for voicing your thoughts. I am not sure all those you pinged actually received one. It's my understanding that only the first five pings work. Then you have to ping in comments, five pings per separate comment.
Regarding posts with new evidence being hard to find: we do have a flair for that, as well as "Potential Lead". I try to use these flairs whenever they would be helpful. If you make a comment in the post saying you think it should be flaired, and and why, and ping me, I will evaluate. I don't see a lot of the posts that come in early in the morning East Coast time because I am in a different timezone.
horse-with-a-name ago
I have a suspicion, though. Since not even the first five reacted, maybe they weren't alerted at all? I am going to ping the other mods now to see if they are alerted or not. @wecanhelp @sensitive @Millennial_Falcon @nnfxx
wecanhelp ago
Thanks, this one worked, the first one didn't per the reason mentioned by Vindicator.
I share your sentiment that the subverse is slowly becoming less and less useful, however, I don't attribute that to modding primarily. You might call me biased about that, of course, but I do try to see the situation clearly, and my feeling is that the community has gotten somewhat exhausted since we see no results no matter how much evidence is being dug up. The growth of the subverse has indeed noticeably slowed down in past few weeks, both in the number of new subscribers and current visitors.
@Vindicator is working on a sticky right now that will hopefully encourage activism within the community, and could lead to some more redpilling eventually. Older users may get tired, but the effect of that on activity could be mitigated with an influx of new users, it's just, as you're saying yourself, very hard to convince new visitors to stay and help when the average submission quality has gotten progressively worse as time passed, potentially exactly due to the growth (and dilution) of the community, which would be a Catch-22 with even more growth.
The good news is that, to my knowledge, the stronger core of investigators has not disappeared, they just moved on to other platforms to work on the case, using Voat more as a media outlet than an investigative environment whenever they have a breakthrough.
Unfortunately, it's very difficult if at all possible to do anything about the overall quality of posts users submit at this point, at least I don't see a direct solution to the problem. But if anybody has an idea that would save the day, us mods are happy to work with you guys and make things happen. We just haven't heard any real good ideas recently, I think.
V____Z ago
What if we (and this is a very unpopular idea) got serious about using v/pedogate and making sure v/pizzagate submissions are focussed on what pg started out to be: an investigation of the Podesta emails and leads/finds directly resulting from them and from our early investigation. So for instance, if the post is about Jimmy Saville or satanism or a plummer in Nebraska who raped his niece, it goes in /pedogate NOT pizzagate. As you know, pizzagate has turned into a sub for anything remotely to do with pedophilia. 9/10 (being generous here) of the posts here make me want to comment "what does have to do with pizzagate???" but I say nothing because no one else complains, and I would say this on nearly every post and become hated quickly.
But this is a change we have the power to make, and it makes sense. It would have to come from the top though. And it does hold true to the rules, so shouldn't be that hard to get agreement on.
horse-with-a-name ago
Thank you for your answer. I did not want to implicate that the flaws I see are attributed to modding primarily, if at all. You probably have to remove posts I deem interesting because they violate a rule.
I strongly disagree about the community having become somewhat exhausted. I see quite the contrary. People want to do something. But it seems like many posts simply don't fit the rules here.
Anyway, I will think about ideas.
horse-with-a-name ago
Well, thanks. Don't see much value in pinging the others in comments. Not even the first five replied. Maybe they are content with everything.
SoldierofLight ago
Hey. Just now got your ping. (Kinda feels like a radio call went out and I just got into range.) I've noticed that lately many of the posts are showing up on PG four, five, or even six times a day as separate posts on the same exact topic. Some of that can be explained due to the Search function being intentionally disabled (yes, intentionally-- it's 2017 so a search function is not cutting edge technology) so people can't check to see if that topic has already been posted, but mostly, it's meant to dilute the forum. When newbies and regulars arrive and scroll down and see a bunch of posts from the same day on the same topic it shouts disorganization, confusion, and non-communication. It also drowns out the other posts that should be getting attention. All of this is fixable but... it's not getting fixed. Why? I can guess why and that concerns me. I think it's having a hugely negative affect on the forum.
Vindicator ago
If users requested a Submission Guideline rule change that would empower mods to remove repeat posts by different users, this could be dealt with more effectively. We are currently limited by Voat's anti-censorship, restrictive definition of spam as being reposts by the same user.
SoldierofLight ago
Done. Thank you for explaining that. Hopefully my request to the mods forum will address all issues.
Vindicator ago
You may need to ping folks in to that thread like horse did with this one. Not a lot of people check new submissions in v/pizzagatemods. You can also post a link to it in the comment section of the sticky I just put up. If you click the "H" formatting button, you can give your comment a headline. Click "Preview" to see how it looks.
Vindicator ago
Doubtful. :-) More likely, Voat didn't send them because there were MORE than five. I don't know that for a fact, but it wouldn't surprise me. In any case, I wouldn't jump to an interpretation for a silence that could be attributed to a software glitch. Try your pings again. I know it may seem obnoxious, but it's the only way to overcome the navigation/communication barriers of this platform.
horse-with-a-name ago
Yes, this is possible. Will try this. Thanks.