From CDAN: Today's Blind Items - Resurrection (pizzagate)

submitted ago by plancktonne

A convoluted story involving the "late" Jeffrey Epstein, Ghislaine Maxwell, her sister Isabel, Isabel's "late" husband, Al Seckel, who "died" mysteriously in 2015 (and allegedly was an expert in making people "look dead" whatever that means), Brock Pierce who is now a presidential candidate, Marc-Collins Rector and — Steve Bannon (one time Trump team member and now indicted for a charity scam).

From CDAN: Today's Blind Items - Resurrection

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kazza64 ago

ive often thought that what happened to epstein was an elaborate plan to get him out of the jail i think he's alive

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plancktonne ago

I agree. I made a sort-of joke about Epstein being alive and in Belarus. Along with Elvis, Michael Jackson, Kenneth (Kenny Boy) Lay, and possibly Timothy McVeigh, the Oklahoma city bomber, who allegedly turned the wrong color at his execution and was just snoozing like a Zombie.

Former Wirecard board member Jan Marsalek apparently did flee to Belarus. His name came up in reference to Ghislaine's twin sisters who had access to the PROMIS software developed by Inslaw and used by many countrie's immigration services, thus useful for permanently "hiding" someone. Was PROMIS used to hide the "late" Al Seckel?

Jim Morrison, however, really is buried in Paris.

kazza64 ago

they cant pull exactly the same stunt to get ghislaine out but i'm sure they could come up with something equally creative and off to israel she will go to live a long life

millennial_vulcan ago

There is no evidence she is even in the NY/Brooklyn facility where she’s supposed to be. Not one shred. Or that she even attended her hearing.

The sheep are eating it all up SMDH.

darkknight111 ago

Flaring as a new lead. IIRC, this is the first we’ve heard of Seckel.

ORDOTEMPLIINTERNETIS ago

@darkknight111 Should we make Al his own post so he shows up in searchvoat? Theres gotta be more to dig or cross reference here...

@plancktonne Have time to take the lead or want me to assemble?

plancktonne ago

Thanks for the offer, but no thanks, you take the lead. This deep research is way beyond my abilities.

ORDOTEMPLIINTERNETIS ago

copy that - thanks for the lead .

darkknight111 ago

Absolutely.

ORDOTEMPLIINTERNETIS ago

Letting @plancktonne get back to me - and everyone do some research and weigh in, before I organize all I'm linking here, in a follow up post.

ORDOTEMPLIINTERNETIS ago

“A source exclusively told Politicalite: “Maxwell is hiding out at the former family home in France” The chateu was owned by her mother and is the same place that sister Isabel Maxwell and al Seckel fled too.”

Al Seckel was a paranormal and illusions writer who had been in a relationship with Ghislane’s sister Isabel.

He collaborated with Epstein in 2009 organising a science conference called Mindshift on the notorious Little Saint James island owned by Epstein.

In 2011 scientists Murray Gell-Mann, Leonard Mlodinow, Gerard Sussman and Frances Arnold attended. In addition cryptocurrency proponent and actor Brock Pierce.

An interview between Seckel and Epstein appeared on Epstein’s science website on October 17, 2010.

https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/al-seckel-celine-cousteau-and-isabel-maxwell-attend-the-saks-fifth-picture-id83161256?s=594x594

ORDOTEMPLIINTERNETIS ago

Edge Foundation, Inc.

edge.org

The Edge Foundation, Inc. is an association of science and technology intellectuals created in 1988 as an outgrowth of The Reality Club. Its main activities are reflected on the edge.org website, edited by publisher and businessman John Brockman. The site is a critically noted online magazine exploring scientific and intellectual ideas.Wikipedia

ORDOTEMPLIINTERNETIS ago

His site : https://web.archive.org/web/20150923085738/http://www.alseckel.net/

His Illusions site (WEIRD EXCERPT "funny pictures" CP? or nothing?):

Funny Pictures on the Internet

If you are looking to kill some time and get a good laugh, check out the entertainment that funny pictures have to offer.

Funny pictures are available virtually everywhere, but most prevalently on the internet. There are three basic outlets you can view funny pictures, One is the internet, the second place is through the tv, and the final place is through a paper manufactured good such as a magazine or newspaper. All three contain funny pictures, and all have pros and cons about viewing the pictures, but in the end you receive a laugh through either of the three methods.

The first method to view funny pictures is through the internet. There are thousands upon thousands of websites that host funny pictures, and the most common method used to key in on set websites is through a search in a search engine. Typing in funny pictures will produce many websites offering a host of funny pictures for you to view and get a laugh out of. The only thing you need to look out for when viewing funny pictures online is the mislabeling of websites and getting dragged into the wrong thing. Some websites will request information from you in order to view more pictures, such as email and credit card information. It is always best to avoid those types of websites and back out as soon as possible.

The second method of viewing funny pictures is through the tv. There are several television series that have funny moments, and in those side moments are funny pictures to fill the time. Most comedy shows will have a series or two that incorporates funny pictures into their comedy routine, so do a little searching around into which programs those are.

The third and most time told method of viewing funny pictures is through a paper good. There are several magazines that lay host to funny pictures as a way to sell more copies of their magazine, and there are several magazines that run only funny pictures. Aside from magazines the funny papers in the daily newspaper columns also have funny pictures for viewing. There are also several books that contain funny pictures, the only negative of paper good viewing of funny pictures is you sometimes have to pay to purchase the item that contains the pictures.

Overall if you are looking to get a good laugh out of your day, check out what the internet, television, and paper goods have to offer in the field of funny pictures.

https://web.archive.org/web/20180109062621/http://www.illusionworks.com/funny-pictures.html

https://web.archive.org/web/19990210065835/http://www.illusionworks.com/index.html

https://web.archive.org/web/20200118031257/https://www.illusionworks.com/index.html

https://web.archive.org/web/20060127211146/http://psylux.psych.tu-dresden.de/i1/kaw/diverses%20Material/www.illusionworks.com/html/introductory_level.html

ORDOTEMPLIINTERNETIS ago

https://web.archive.org/web/20150923143738im_/http://www.alseckel.net/uploads/6/1/0/4/61042033/2798067_orig.jpg

"This (ABOVE) is a test piece, where we wanted to model a three-dimensional world of illusions. The children gradually enter the world of illusions through the perspective of the puzzle. Note the transition of the girls into the puzzle world from the real world. The girl in the yellow dress is entirely inside the puzzle world.

This image was freely adapted by Alice Klarke and Al Seckel based on the work entitled "Unfinished Puzzle" by Canadian artist Robert Gonsalves, which is reproduced in my book Masters of Deception: Escher, Dali, and the Artists of Optical Illusion."

https://web.archive.org/web/20150923143738/http://www.alseckel.net/illusions.html

ORDOTEMPLIINTERNETIS ago

AL SECKEL 1958 - 2015

Al Paul Seckel, who died at the age of 57 near his home in France, is best known for helping to make optical illusions a household name throughout the world.

Al Seckel was born in New York City on September 3rd, 1958 to Paul Seckel and Ruth Schonthal Seckel. Al had two older brothers, Ben and Bernard Seckel. They grew up in New Rochelle, New York. While attending Cornell University he met his first wife, Laura Seckel. They moved to California where he spent a great deal of time with Richard Feynman at the California Institute of Technology (Caltech). In 1987 their daughter, Elizabeth, was born.

Throughout the 1980s, Al Seckel was extremely active in the freethought movement. In 1983, he and John Edwards created the Darwin fish design, which was first sold as a bumper sticker and on T-shirts. In 1984, he founded the Southern California Skeptics (SCS), and became a spokesperson for science and its relationship to the paranormal. SCS co-sponsored and produced a monthly series of lectures held at Caltech that explained alleged paranormal phenomena such as extrasensory perception and firewalking, the aim of which was to interest people in the study of science. Al also authored a monthly column in the Los Angeles Times and the Santa Monica News where he wrote about investigating other supernatural claims from a scientific perspective.

In 1987, SCS and Seckel helped sponsor an amicus brief before the U.S. Supreme court in the case of Edwards v. Aguillard, challenging the constitutionality of a Louisiana law calling for the classroom inclusion of creation science. After retiring from the skeptics’ movement in 1990, he turned his full attention to studying the human brain, specifically vision and how it relates to perception.

Al Seckel launched the first free interactive website on illusions in 1994, which can now be found at http:// tinyurl .com/alseckelsillusions . Academics, researchers, and students from around the world found his website to be an immense and positive contribution to their teaching and understanding of the subject matter. Throughout much of the nineties, this site was the only source for this information.

He went on to write a number of award-winning books on visual illusions, such as The Art of Optical Illusions and Masters of Deception. He also gave invited lectures at universities and conferences around the world, including at TED and the World Economic Forum, Davos.

Passionate about igniting imagination and joy of scientific thought and curiosity in others, Al developed optical illusion installations and exhibits for museums around the world, including the London Museum of Science, the Hong Kong Centre, the Singapore Science Centre, the Calgary Science Center, and the National Science Centre, Malaysia. He also consulted for many of the most famous magicians of the time, including David Copperfield, Franz Harary, and Mark Setteducati.

Al will be remembered and greatly missed by close friends and colleagues for his gatherings of great thinkers that were akin to the salons during the Age of Enlightenment: carefully curated groups of scientists, artists, writers, and innovators from all walks of life who would gather and share ideas with people from spheres they would otherwise never have met.

Al always had a passion for delightful creations of the mind, which included impossible objects, origami, mazes, creative toys, magic, and mathematical puzzles, as well as a deep fascination with the history of scientific thought. Whether in France hunting for Neanderthal tools, exploring crystal caves and chateaux, or back in America camping and river rafting with friends and family, getting lost in a maze, or delighting a room with impossible magic you had to see to believe, he was always full of life and laughter, ever having fun and adventure.

Al is survived by his daughter, Elizabeth, his brother, Bernard, and his partner, Isabel.

Donations may be made in memoriam to the American Heart Association.

https://web.archive.org/web/20150923085738/http://www.alseckel.net/

ORDOTEMPLIINTERNETIS ago

LOOK @Vindicator MINDSHIFT IS BACK

•2010 #Seckel on #EpsteinIsland for #Mindshift science conference

plancktonne ago

Thanks for all the background info and links. Never heard of Seckel previously. I've read thru half so far.

@ORDOTEMPLIINTERNETIS @kestrel9 @darkknight111 @MercurysBall2 @think- @IShallNotFear

ORDOTEMPLIINTERNETIS ago

How Brock Pierce ended up as an Epstein guest along with a NASA computer engineer, an MIT professor and a Nobel laureate in theoretical physics is a bizarre tale involving Steve Bannon and an international man of mystery who may or may not be dead.

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/strange-saga-jeffrey-epstein-s-link-brock-pierce-1240462

kestrel9 ago

Some corrections to that article are noted and explained in a google cache of a pdf

Feb. 14, 3 pm PST Editor's Note: In this article, THR reports on allegations about Brock Pierce relating to a lawsuit that was filed in 2000. Many of the allegations regarding Pierce in this lawsuit were later recanted, and one of the plaintiffs was convicted of fraud. Two witnesses testified that two plaintiffs had offered them substantial sums to testify falsely in the suit against Pierce. A full statement from Pierce can be found here.

The link gone but google had a saved version:

https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/searchq=cache:https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/sites/default/files/custom2/Full%2520Statement%2520from%2520Brock%2520Pierce.pdf

Page 1

Full Statement from Brock Pierce:On Sept. 18, 2019, ​The Hollywood Reporter​ published an article titled “The Strange Saga ofJeffrey Epstein’s Link to a Child Star Turned Cryptocurrency Mogul.” In this article, ​THRrepeated allegations and statements that related to a lawsuit filed in 2000 alleging sexual abuse,in which Brock Pierce was named as a defendant. Since the filing of this lawsuit, extensiveevidence has surfaced that demonstrates that the allegations against Mr. Pierce were simply an extortion attempt, and that there was no truth to the allegations....

shewhomustbeobeyed ago

Hi kestrel9, I am unable to get either one of the links you've posted here to work.

I was able to retrieve this for the pdf file - https://web.archive.org/web/20200529050421/https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/sites/default/files/custom2/Full%20Statement%20from%20Brock%20Pierce.pdf

Invidious is ending, so maybe you could find the video elsewhere.

kestrel9 ago

Thanks, I added the youtube version and edited in the working link you provided.

kestrel9 ago

In 2000 I stumbled on these people because Hollywood money manager Dana Giacchetto– who has since committed suicide– “invested” his clients’ money in DEN as part of his Ponzi scheme. https://www.showbiz411.com/2020/07/07/not-joking-brock-pierce-part-of-notorious-hollywood-sex-scandals-for-over-20-years-is-running-for-president

I'm glad you posted this, Dana Giacchetto's name was one I had been looking to remember https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/dana-giacchetto-dead-stockbroker-stars-902383 as well.

Brings up the name Mike Ovitz

Ties to Larry Gagosian repost: Larry Gagosian - Koons, Clintons, Sex Slaves, Abramovich, and how the "art" network launders money and trafficks children https://voat.co/v/pizzagateart/3081575 (repost includes other links)

Original post (a motherlode of info) Larry Gagosian - Koons, Clintons, Sex Slaves, Abramovich, and how the "art" network launders money and trafficks children. https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1762945

see also for review of pedowood: CAA: The link between Pedowood, the Mob, and the Deep State

ORDOTEMPLIINTERNETIS ago

money manager Dana Giacchetto– who has since committed suicide–

TREND

ORDOTEMPLIINTERNETIS ago

Jeffrey Epstein Talks Perception with Al Seckel. Oct. 17, 2010

https://archive.vn/9WuwJ#selection-747.1-747.68

I enjoyed their discussion about the coming age of disinformation considering it was 2010.

Found it via: https://lippard.blogspot.com/2015/07/al-seckel-exposed.html?m=1

Edit: a better archived version with photos intact.

https://web.archive.org/web/20101210234143/http:/www.jeffreyepsteinscience.com/2010/10/jeffrey-epstein-talks-perception-with-al-seckel/

https://www.reddit.com/r/Epstein/comments/g17yi9/jeffrey_epstein_talks_perception_with_al_seckel/

"I believe that we are rapidly transitioning from an Age of Information to an Age of Misinformation, and in many cases, outright disinformation." -- Al Seckel, in an interview published on Jeffrey Epstein's website, "Jeffrey Epstein Talks Perception with Al Seckel"

Mark Oppenheimer's long-awaited exposé on Al Seckel, "The Illusionist," has now been published and I urge all skeptics to read it. Seckel, the former head of the Southern California Skeptics and a CSICOP Scientific and Technical Consultant who was listed as a "physicist" in every issue of the Skeptical Inquirer from vol. 11, no. 2 (Winter 1987-88) to vol. 15, no. 2 (Winter 1991) despite having no degree in physics, has long been known among skeptical insiders as a person who was misrepresenting himself and taking advantage of others. Most have remained silent over fear of litigation, which Seckel has engaged in successfully in the past.

https://lippard.blogspot.com/2015/07/al-seckel-exposed.html

Jeffrey Epstein didnt kill himself isnt dead!(?)

Al Seckel, an expert on illusions, explores the perceptual illusions that fool our brains. He shares loads of cool tricks to prove that not only are we easily fooled, we kind of like it.

https://www.ted.com/talks/al_seckel_visual_illusions_that_show_how_we_mis_think

Al's Obituary : https://www.legacy.com/obituaries/sgvtribune/obituary.aspx?pid=175897677

ORDOTEMPLIINTERNETIS ago

AL & EP Relationship Timeline (assembled / edited by me from https://undeceive.weebly.com/ )

2004: Seckel one of 163 members of Brockman's Edge group answering that year's question: "what's your law?" Seckel presents his two laws of visual perception. Other responders include Marvin Minsky, Freeman Dyson, Stephen Kosslyn, Jeffrey Epstein, Chris Anderson, Michael Shermer, Richard Dawkins, Ray Kurzweil, Lisa Randall, Craig Venter.

2009 Sept 23: Seckel attends Clinton Global Initiative Awards in New York. Quincy Jones, who Seckel has befriended, is honored.

2009 Sept: Ghislaine Maxwell served subpoena at Clinton Global Initiative Conference in New York in connection with Jeffrey Epstein investigation.

2009:  Seckel visits billionaire Jeffrey Epstein in Florida. This is shortly after Epstein’s early release from jail for felony solicitation of prostitution with underage girls. Epstein’s consort, Ghislaine Maxwell, sister of Seckel’s wife Isabel Maxwell, allegedly helped procure underage girls for Epstein. (Seckel later denies any involvement in or knowledge of Epstein's activities with underage girls--see 5-19-11 entry.)

2010 June 29: Ghislaine Maxwell refuses deposition summons in Epstein case, claiming her mother is “deathly ill” and she must go to Europe and does not plan on returning to U.S.

2010 July 14:  Seckel and Maxwell have White House meeting with Michael Froman (then White House Deputy National Security Advisor for Economic Affairs, now U.S. Trade Representative). Meeting also includes Peter Prowitt, Benjamin Blumenthal, Don Weiss, Erik Hanson.

​2010 July 16:  Seckel and Maxwell file complaint against Brodbeck, owner of 20404 Little Rock Way, Malibu house they were renting and got evicted from.

2010 Oct:  Seckel interview ("Jeffrey Epstein Talks Perception with Al Seckel") is lead item on Epstein’s science website.  Self-promotional claims here are similar to his original Wikipedia entry. Says he got funding for “massive interactive website on thinking skills” with friend Caprice Young (then with Milken Institute).  Claims “Tommy” Gold was his Cornell advisor, and at Caltech he was in Feynman’s “very close inner circle” with Michael Douglas and one other person, spending hours with him “almost every other day.”  Claims to be very close to Murray Gell-Mann, and friends with “Shelly” (Sheldon) Glashow, Lisa Randall, Sean Carroll, and Jimmy Wales.

2010 Oct 26:  Former Caltech science writer Robert Finn, on Twitter, recommends his “friend” Seckel’s interview on Epstein’s science website. Caltech physicist Sean Carroll also recommends it on Twitter (though Carroll's wife Jennifer Ouellette later tells McIver she "loathed" Seckel and found him a "pompous crashing bore"--a "collector" of people he found "useful or prestigious" who tried--unsuccessfully--to "acquire" her husband). Joseph Kirschvink recommends it on his Caltech website.

​2010 Nov 1: In post to math puzzle website, Seckel claims he is working with Epstein on his science website jeffreyepsteinscience.com and his philanthropy website jeffreyepstein.com.

2010 Nov 6:  Seckel arranges "Mindshift" conference, funded and hosted by Epstein, to be held in "early January on the Island of St. Thomas and Jeffrey Epstein's private island in the Caribbean, Little St. James." Participants: Murray Gell-Mann, Christof Koch, Catherine Mohr, Gerald Sussman, Frances Arnold, Leonard Mlodinow, Paul Kirkaas, Brock Pierce, Ron Reisman, Pablos Holman, Dan Dubno, Reichart Von Wolfsheild. (Photo of conference attendees posted 2-4-11 on Liz Seckel Facebook page.)

2010 Nov: Epstein’s interview of Seckel edited; adds mention of his not graduating from Cornell. “‘Did you graduate from Cornell?’ ‘No, I ended up not finishing the requirements, although I did certainly more than enough course-work, but more to my own requirements and interests, rather than Cornell’s requirements…’ ”

2010 Dec: Epstein's science website features articles about Martin Gardner, Robert Lang, and Daniel Kraft.

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2010 Dec 22:  Living Aquatic Art Design files complaint against Seckel.

2011: Leonard Mlodinow mentions his personal association with Seckel in his book War of the Worldviews, citing Seckel on auditory illusions.

​2011 Jan: Mindshift conference organized by Seckel held at Epstein's Virgin Islands estate. Isabel Maxwell accompanies Seckel.

2011 Jan: Seckel is listed as one of the scientists and researchers funded by Epstein on Epstein’s website (others include Murray Gell-Mann, Lawrence Krauss, Marvin Nowak, Stephen Kosslyn, David Deutsch, Marvin Minsky, Lee Smolin).  Webpage deleted soon after.

2011 March:  Epstein interview of Seckel disappears from Epstein’s science website.  (Some months later, entire content of website is removed.)

2011 May 19: In signed "Declaration," Seckel denies any involvement with or knowledge of Jeffrey Epstein's sexual activities with underage girls. Seckel said he learned a subpoena had been issued to depose him in connection with Epstein, and this declaration was his response.

2012 March 8:  Epstein Foundation responds by e-mail to McIver saying they are still funding Seckel on a “case by case basis.”

2016 Oct: Book about Jeffrey Epstein, Filthy Rich, by best-selling author James Patterson and John Connolly with Tim Malloy, published. Includes brief chapter about Seckel, describing Seckel's 2010 Mindshift conference held at Epstein's Virgin Islands estate, using information from Oppenheimer's 2015 article.

2019 Sept 6: Technology writer and critic Evgeny Morozov posts on Twitter: "Still surprised by how little attention the Epstein-chasing media have paid to Al Seckel - a top-notch charlatan, a one-time TED talker, a member of the Edge community, an ex-husband of Ghislaine Maxwell's sister, and a co-organizer (with Epstein) of the Mindshift conference."

2019 Sept 10: Biologist PZ Myers writes about Seckel in his Pharyngula blog: "Ugh, Al Seckel's name floats to the top again." Calls him "self-serving fraud who slithered his way into the skeptic community, taking advantage of their gullibility of any phony who knew the right science buzzwords." Notes his association with Brockman and Epstein. "Viewed with hindsight, knowing how unsavory Epstein was, Seckel's history looks even more horrible now... [O]ne of Seckel's tools to suppress anyone who might question his credentials...was the frequent use of lawsuits and threats of lawsuits. [P]eople were afraid to talk about his dubious claims because he'd drop a lawsuit on you if you didn't reward him with honors for his nonexistent skills."

2019 Sept 18: Retired physics prof. and science educator Mano Singham writes blog post "How to con scientists and skeptics" about Seckel. Notes that, like Epstein, he pretended to scientific and intellectual authority he did not possess, and described his success as due to leveraging his initial friendship with scientists--notably Feynman and Gell-Mann--into luring more and more elite scientists and "skeptics" into his orbit. They assumed he was trustworthy and a brilliant scientist because of the prestigious names he had already acquired in his network.

2019 Sept 19: Kim Masters writes Hollywood Reporter article about Brock Pierce, cryptocurrency entrepreneur allegedly involved in the past with sexually abusive behavior. Describes his attendance at 2011 Mindshift conference arranged by Seckel and held on Epstein's island and nearby St. Thomas (see Nov 6, 2010 entry). Includes comments by Lawrence Bender on Seckel's flair for connecting people, and notes that his death has never been proved, with some suspecting it was faked.

https://undeceive.weebly.com/

ORDOTEMPLIINTERNETIS ago

In addition to his bizarre association with the wilder fringes of technological atheism, Epstein also co-organized a conference with his friend, the militant atheist Al Seckel, known (among other things) as the creator of the so-called “Darwin Fish”—seen on bumper stickers and elsewhere, it depicts Darwin’s “superior” evolutionary fish eating the ichthys symbol, or “Jesus fish” of Christians. Seckel fled California after his life of deception and fraud began to catch up with him. He was found at the foot of a cliff in France, having apparently fallen to his death. Nobody seems to know whether he slipped, jumped, or was pushed.

https://www.crisismagazine.com/2020/the-devil-devours-his-own

ORDOTEMPLIINTERNETIS ago

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3141592653 ago

Brock Turner.. Now a presidential candidate?!