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3141592653 ago

What evidence do we have that she is guilty of anything?

argosciv ago

Absolutely none, but, I do recall seeing her and/or John Legend in the Epstein flight logs. Currently going through them again to confirm and also building a special side project because I'm sick of having to scroll up and down the logs repeatedly lol.

3141592653 ago

Same, i just know she wad supposedly on the flight logs

argosciv ago

Having gone through the logs, up and down, again, I can't actually find her or John Legend there.

I could swear I've seen at least Legend's name in there before, but missed it on this pass. I'll be going back through them again over the next several days as part of a project so I may end up coming across the entry again. At this time though, I have to say they're not confirmed to be in the logs (unless someone else knows which page to look at and can provide said page).

@darkknight111 @Vindicator @MolochHunter

3141592653 ago

Thanks. I saw them on a list alleged to be the flight logs, but im having a hard time knowing which list is real. ??

argosciv ago

I saw them on a list alleged to be the flight logs, but im having a hard time knowing which list is real. ??

That list is utter garbage anyway and falsely posits that Jim Carrey is on the flight logs, when in actuality, it's a Jim Kenney. But of course, that won't stop people spreading it.

3141592653 ago

Thx. Where can i see the real logs?

argosciv ago

https://gawker.com/flight-logs-put-clinton-dershowitz-on-pedophile-billio-1681039971

In the article you'll see a hyperlink "published today for the first time", it's a pdf though (but otherwise served via documentcloud), so y'know, pdf warning and all that.

3141592653 ago

Appreciate it

argosciv ago

cant make out the names

That's been quite a battle for many.

I've found a few sources, including the above, which tried to use document readers to do it but they mostly come out an absolute mess. Earlier though, I looked up the reference on the cover page and found a very well typed out version presumably from the courts:

[PDF WARNING]

https://www.thecrowhouse.com/Documents/jeffrey-epstein-flight-logs .pdf

It still has some errors, but damn if it isn't a hell of a lot better than other attempts.

@Vindicator @kestrel9 @Mercurysball2 @darkknight111 @MolochHunter

3141592653 ago

Great. Thx

Vindicator ago

When we did that big dig on the Laybournes and Nickelodeon, there were links to a searchable version of the flight logs. They actually released newer pages than the Gawker release as part of the lawsuits against Epstein. I think last year? @argosciv

argosciv ago

Only ones I've heard of were the drastically watered down Dershowitz-provided ones (he is seriously suspect as fuck), and the David Rogers ones which also have some inconsistencies with the Dershowitz ones.

If there's another set out there, verified to be real, I'd love to see them.

Vindicator ago

Just did some SearchVoating and you are correct.

Here is the 2015 Daily Mail article where I got the "newly released" list from: https://archive.vn/6OM9j. It links to the Gawker story: https://archive.vn/Qdcfs which links to the document cloud pdf: https://archive.vn/URuhk.

3141592653 ago

Thanks

argosciv ago

Thanks for following up.

Also found this interesting pg piece. One of our better researchers created a CSV version of the logs. Dershowitz' name is misspelled in the title of the submission, so it didn't pop up until I searched for "Epstein pilot" https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1735827.

I've been working on a mostly-portable website using the Rogers logs, which has objectives such as:

  • Sidebar links to the gawker release and above-linked well-typed pdf. [done]
  • Independent screenshots of each page from the official documents (as provided by gawker). [done]
  • Chronological page sorting (gawker pages are out of order and even have at least 2 duplicates, much to my annoyance).
  • Database of confirmed names and links to each page they're found on.
  • Compendium of notable highlights, such as the 20 days Aline Weber spent in the company of Epstein and co., and the time that Epstein met Princess Sarah Ferguson (Wife of Prince Andrew) + Kids upon landing.
  • Compendium of debunking/notes of false/unconfirmed accusations of a flight log presence such as those levied against Chrissy Teigen (whether or not there's other reasons to be suspicious of her is irrelevant, demonstrably false accusations should not be clung to just because you don't like/trust someone), Jim Carrey and any others I may find.

Side note: Per the above pg post by @anonOpenPress, there are a couple of hits for names which match the initials "AP" in the Rogers logs, I can't remember what they are off the top of my head but I'll make a note to get back to you next time I see them.

argosciv ago

Side note: Per the above pg post by @anonOpenPress, there are a couple of hits for names which match the initials "AP" in the Rodgers logs, I can't remember what they are off the top of my head but I'll make a note to get back to you next time I see them.

Mystery solved.

Initials AP almost certainly refer to Epstein's private chef: Adam Perry Lang (Adam PerryLang).

  • Also listed simply as "Adam".
  • "Adam" never appears in the same entry as "AP".
  • "Adam Perry Lang" never appears in the same entry as "AP".
  • "AP" does appear in the same entry as "Alberto Pinto".
  • Entries containing "Adam", "Adam Perry Lang" and "AP" predate the first appearance of "Alberto Pinto".
  • "AP" appears frequently enough to be consistent with Epstein regularly traveling with his private chef.

@Vindicator

Vindicator ago

Thanks for analyzing that.

argosciv ago

Y'welcome.

argosciv ago

Side note: Per the above pg post by @anonOpenPress, there are a couple of hits for names which match the initials "AP" in the Rodgers logs, I can't remember what they are off the top of my head but I'll make a note to get back to you next time I see them.

Alberto Pinto, pages 41 and 42 (so far) of the Rodgers logs as provided by Gawker.

With sister, Linda Pinto, also on page 41.

@Vindicator

Vindicator ago

Wow! Can't wait to see this. What a great investment of your time. This will be really useful!

It bothers me to see the screencap that's been going around with the supposed list of Epstein fliers. So easy to slip BS into something like that.

argosciv ago

It's coming along nicely. It'll mostly be a personal-use thing though, unless I decide to actually host it online or provide the code and database for someone else to.

I'd like to hand the final product over to the authorities for their convenience too, but that may be a pipedream... who knows.

Currently in the process of fleshing out some functionality like the page displays and admin panel (used for registering pages, people, notables, etc).