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EricKaliberhall ago

Hi @rickman2,

Thanks for sharing! To satisfy rule 2, Empiricism you need to provide a link. I will give you the 24Hr Grace flair, so you'll have time to edit. For more information please see our subverse rules that is located in the sidebar. Thank you.

ababcb ago

I can help, here's a link. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patty_Hearst#Kidnapping This all looks relevant to pizzagate to me, especially the part about brainwashing:

Brainwashing claims

At the time of her arrest, Hearst's weight had dropped to 87 pounds (40 kg), and she was described by Dr. Margaret Singer in October 1975 as "a low-IQ, low-affect zombie".[38] Shortly after her arrest, signs of trauma were recorded: her IQ was measured as 112, whereas it had previously been 130; there were huge gaps in her memory regarding her pre-Tania life; she was smoking heavily and had nightmares.[39] Without a mental illness or defect, a person is considered to be fully responsible for any criminal action not done under duress, which is defined as a clear and present threat of death or serious injury.[40][41] But for Hearst to secure an acquittal on the grounds of having been brainwashed would have been completely unprecedented.[42][43]

Psychiatrist Louis Jolyon West, a professor at University of California, Los Angeles (UCLA), was appointed by the court in his capacity as a brainwashing expert and worked without a fee. After the trial, he wrote a newspaper article asking President Carter to release Hearst from prison.[44]

Hearst wrote in her memoir, Every Secret Thing (1982), "I spent fifteen hours going over my SLA experiences with Robert Jay Lifton of Yale University. Lifton, author of several books on coercive persuasion and thought reform, ... pronounced me a 'classic case' which met all the psychological criteria of a coerced prisoner of war. ... If I had reacted differently, that would have been suspect, he said."[45]

After some weeks, Hearst repudiated her SLA allegiance.[9][46]

Her first lawyer, Terence Hallinan, had advised Hearst not to talk to anyone, including psychiatrists. He advocated a defense of involuntary intoxication: that the SLA had given her drugs that affected her judgment and recollection.[47][10][42][48][page needed]

He was replaced by attorney F. Lee Bailey, who asserted a defense of coercion or duress affecting intent at the time of the offense.[49] This was similar to the brainwashing defense which Hallinan had warned was not a defense in law. Hearst gave long interviews to various psychiatrists.[40]

Vindicator ago

@Rickman2 This also needs a connection to abuse of minors to satisfy Rule 1. I don't think Patty Hearst was a minor when she got involved.

EricKaliberhall ago

Hey @Rickman2,

The 24hr Grace period is over and no edit has been made. I will delete this submission per rule 2, Empiricism. For more information please see our subverse rules located in the sidebar. Thank you.

ababcb ago

This makes no sense. NXIVM, a group that abused countless minors had dossiers on Hearst. That creates a connection between Hearst and the abuse of minors. This is the second time in less than 24 hours that you have covered for someone with a direct connection to NXIVM.

Vindicator ago

This makes no sense. NXIVM, a group that abused countless minors had dossiers on Hearst. That creates a connection between Hearst and the abuse of minors.

So now every single person NXIVM had dossiers on is a child trafficker? Dude, you don't logic very well.

I'm happy to leave up a submission on Hearst. But it needs to follow the submission rules, which I did not make.

This is the second time in less than 24 hours that you have covered for someone with a direct connection to NXIVM.

A) There's no direct connection to NXIVM here.

B) There are 262 NXIVM submissions in our research stockpile. Your narrative is garbage.

Vindicator ago

It also needs a connection to abuse of minors to satisfy Rule 1. I don't think Patty Hearst was a minor when she got involved.