In Alabama, Republican Gov. Kay Ivey signed the most restrictive anti-abortion bill yet, outlawing virtually all abortions in the state, including in cases of rape and incest.
Forcing a 11-year-old girl to carry a child after a rape, like it has happened in a current case is cruel.
I'm against late-term abortions, but a girl or a woman should be able to have an abortion in the first weeks of pregnancy.
Forcing a 11-year-old girl to carry a child after a rape, like it has happened in a current case, is cruel.
Did that happen under this law? I hadn't heard about that.
It was my understanding the Georgia law stipulates abortion is allowable if the pregnancy threatens the woman's life. An 11 year old carrying a child to term could easily be life threatening in numerous ways.
However, it is also cruel to encourage a young girl to kill her child -- a reality she will have to live with for the rest of her life, which will increase her risk of depression and suicide dramatically. She also faces increased risks of sterility, cervical damage (especially if very young), and inability to carry children to term in the future. The statistics on these risks of abortion are rarely discussed.
A close friend of mine who went through this and regrets her teenage decision to this day says "Terminating a pregnancy doesn't save you from motherhood; it just makes you the mother of a dead baby."
Did that happen under this law? I hadn't heard about that.
It has happened in one of the states with a 'heartbeat bill', and since I think all of them ruled out that rape or incest survivors can have abortions, it's just what will be happening frequently now - that underage victims of child rape will have to carry, and give birth.
I can't even imagine how a girl must feel when she is pregnant under these circumstances.
What will happen is that children of wealthy parents will be able to get an abortion elsewhere, and poor families are back to using knitting needles or jumping from stairs.
An 11 year old carrying a child to term could easily be life threatening in numerous ways.
.'could'. I'm talking about the emotional impact here, not physical health issues.
which will increase her risk of depression and suicide dramatically.
The suicide risk increases dramatically for any child or adult woman who has to carry a child by a rapist.
same appllies for the risk of depression, and for the worsening of any Ptsd condition..
Just imagine what a raped woman must feel if she has to carry a child by the rapist.
I can't even imagine how a child must feel that got raped, and is forced to have the child.
Have you ever talked to a woman that got raped?
Most women already cannot bear the thought that the semen of the rapist was in her body.
I will leave soon, but I will look for a link to the court decsion tomorrow, where the judge ruled that the 11-year-old will be forced to carry the child.
Women deal in different ways with an abortion. I presume your friend didn't have the abortion after getting raped, or did she?
I'm not saying abortions should be taken lightly. Quite to the contrary. This is what many pro-lifers are lacking, the notion that an abortion needs to be mourned imo. And that you cannot just throw away the aborted fetus like it is currently done. (Let alone exploit it for tissue harvesting etc)
But imo in the first weeks of pregnancy, the fetus is part of the mother's body.
I presume your friend didn't have the abortion after getting raped, or did she?
Yes, she did. At age 12. I also have a cousin this happened to. Both felt the same way, though they didn't know each other. They were expected to abort because it was considered the "smart" thing to do. One of them has struggled with drug abuse ever since. The other was institutionalized multiple times for major depression, costing her her career as a television news producer. My sister was also raped by her superior officer in the Army.
There was a reason for the Roe vs. Wade decision.
Yes. Norma McCorvey, "Jane Roe," says she was used by lawyers as a pawn to get laws protecting children overthrown. Here's what she says now about it:
I was sitting in Operation Rescue's offices when I noticed a fetal development poster. The progression was so obvious, the eyes were so sweet. It hurt my heart, just looking at them. I ran outside and finally, it dawned on me. 'Norma', I said to myself, 'They're right'. I had worked with pregnant women for years. I had been through three pregnancies and deliveries myself. I should have known. Yet something in that poster made me lose my breath. I kept seeing the picture of that tiny, 10-week-old embryo, and I said to myself, that's a baby! It's as if blinders just fell off my eyes and I suddenly understood the truth—that's a baby!
I felt crushed under the truth of this realization. I had to face up to the awful reality. Abortion wasn't about 'products of conception'. It wasn't about 'missed periods'. It was about children being killed in their mother's wombs. All those years I was wrong. Signing that affidavit, I was wrong. Working in an abortion clinic, I was wrong. No more of this first trimester, second trimester, third trimester stuff. Abortion—at any point—was wrong. It was so clear. Painfully clear.
She was raped starting from the age of 15 by her second cousin, and married at the age of 16. She gave birth to three different children, the third being the one she attempted to abort by making a false rape claim, which became Roe v. Wade. I don't think she herself ever even had an abortion, because the two attorneys handling the case wanted her pregnant for the trial, and wouldn't help her get one until it was too late. She has said that kind of exploitation is the whole industry in a nutshell. It's all about lies and exploitation.
Yes, she did. At age 12. I also have a cousin this happened to. Both felt the same way, though they didn't know each other.
Ok, thanks for elaborating.
Do they both think that they struggle because of the abortion, or because of the rape, or both? (just would like to know, thanks)
I don't think girls should be pressured to have an abortion. But I think they should have the possibility to have an abortion if they wish so.
what I meant with 'there was a reason for Roe vs wade' was that the ruling said that as long as the embryo cannot live on its own, it is part of the mother.
I never had an abortion, or was put in a situation where I had to decide between cointinuing a pregnancy or an abortion. I am against late-term abortions, but I think the six or eight weeks period (like in the new laws) is too short
Especially for teenage girls who don't know their bodies well yet. At six weeks many women don't even realize that they are pregnant.
I also think that it is totally fine to wait until 18 before having sex for the first time, and that it is important to teach about using contraception.
If people don't want to use hormones, they can still at least use condoms, which prevent the sperm from entering the female body (although of course I know that they are not 100% reliable.)
I agree that there are many lies surrounding the issue. One is that an abortion doesn't need to be mourned, or isn.t a difficult situation.
The other is that just throwing the fetus away like trash is ok, because it isn.t.
And we all know that Planned Parenthood is a fishy organization.
I also think that the decision is always painful. I wish that more men who try to pressure women into not using contraception would realize what kind of issues they cause.
Because in the end it's always the woman who pays the price, not the man. Although in a consensual sex situation there were two people who didn't use any contraception.
I am very sorry to hear about your sister's ordeal. This is terrible.
Yes. Thank you. My sis is a great person. She was only 18 at the time. She has done great, though.
Do they both think that they struggle because of the abortion, or because of the rape, or both? (just would like to know, thanks)
Both of course, but the hardest thing was the guilt about having become someone who hurts others themselves instead of being strong enough to stop the cycle of destruction.
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think- ago
Forcing a 11-year-old girl to carry a child after a rape, like it has happened in a current case is cruel.
I'm against late-term abortions, but a girl or a woman should be able to have an abortion in the first weeks of pregnancy.
Vindicator ago
Did that happen under this law? I hadn't heard about that.
It was my understanding the Georgia law stipulates abortion is allowable if the pregnancy threatens the woman's life. An 11 year old carrying a child to term could easily be life threatening in numerous ways.
However, it is also cruel to encourage a young girl to kill her child -- a reality she will have to live with for the rest of her life, which will increase her risk of depression and suicide dramatically. She also faces increased risks of sterility, cervical damage (especially if very young), and inability to carry children to term in the future. The statistics on these risks of abortion are rarely discussed.
A close friend of mine who went through this and regrets her teenage decision to this day says "Terminating a pregnancy doesn't save you from motherhood; it just makes you the mother of a dead baby."
think- ago
It has happened in one of the states with a 'heartbeat bill', and since I think all of them ruled out that rape or incest survivors can have abortions, it's just what will be happening frequently now - that underage victims of child rape will have to carry, and give birth.
I can't even imagine how a girl must feel when she is pregnant under these circumstances.
What will happen is that children of wealthy parents will be able to get an abortion elsewhere, and poor families are back to using knitting needles or jumping from stairs.
.'could'. I'm talking about the emotional impact here, not physical health issues.
The suicide risk increases dramatically for any child or adult woman who has to carry a child by a rapist.
same appllies for the risk of depression, and for the worsening of any Ptsd condition..
Just imagine what a raped woman must feel if she has to carry a child by the rapist.
I can't even imagine how a child must feel that got raped, and is forced to have the child.
Have you ever talked to a woman that got raped?
Most women already cannot bear the thought that the semen of the rapist was in her body.
I will leave soon, but I will look for a link to the court decsion tomorrow, where the judge ruled that the 11-year-old will be forced to carry the child.
Women deal in different ways with an abortion. I presume your friend didn't have the abortion after getting raped, or did she?
I'm not saying abortions should be taken lightly. Quite to the contrary. This is what many pro-lifers are lacking, the notion that an abortion needs to be mourned imo. And that you cannot just throw away the aborted fetus like it is currently done. (Let alone exploit it for tissue harvesting etc)
But imo in the first weeks of pregnancy, the fetus is part of the mother's body.
There was a reason for the Roe vs. Wade decision.
Vindicator ago
Yes, she did. At age 12. I also have a cousin this happened to. Both felt the same way, though they didn't know each other. They were expected to abort because it was considered the "smart" thing to do. One of them has struggled with drug abuse ever since. The other was institutionalized multiple times for major depression, costing her her career as a television news producer. My sister was also raped by her superior officer in the Army.
Yes. Norma McCorvey, "Jane Roe," says she was used by lawyers as a pawn to get laws protecting children overthrown. Here's what she says now about it:
She was raped starting from the age of 15 by her second cousin, and married at the age of 16. She gave birth to three different children, the third being the one she attempted to abort by making a false rape claim, which became Roe v. Wade. I don't think she herself ever even had an abortion, because the two attorneys handling the case wanted her pregnant for the trial, and wouldn't help her get one until it was too late. She has said that kind of exploitation is the whole industry in a nutshell. It's all about lies and exploitation.
think- ago
Ok, thanks for elaborating.
Do they both think that they struggle because of the abortion, or because of the rape, or both? (just would like to know, thanks)
I don't think girls should be pressured to have an abortion. But I think they should have the possibility to have an abortion if they wish so.
what I meant with 'there was a reason for Roe vs wade' was that the ruling said that as long as the embryo cannot live on its own, it is part of the mother.
I never had an abortion, or was put in a situation where I had to decide between cointinuing a pregnancy or an abortion. I am against late-term abortions, but I think the six or eight weeks period (like in the new laws) is too short Especially for teenage girls who don't know their bodies well yet. At six weeks many women don't even realize that they are pregnant.
I also think that it is totally fine to wait until 18 before having sex for the first time, and that it is important to teach about using contraception.
If people don't want to use hormones, they can still at least use condoms, which prevent the sperm from entering the female body (although of course I know that they are not 100% reliable.)
I agree that there are many lies surrounding the issue. One is that an abortion doesn't need to be mourned, or isn.t a difficult situation.
The other is that just throwing the fetus away like trash is ok, because it isn.t.
And we all know that Planned Parenthood is a fishy organization.
I also think that the decision is always painful. I wish that more men who try to pressure women into not using contraception would realize what kind of issues they cause.
Because in the end it's always the woman who pays the price, not the man. Although in a consensual sex situation there were two people who didn't use any contraception.
I am very sorry to hear about your sister's ordeal. This is terrible.
Vindicator ago
Yes. Thank you. My sis is a great person. She was only 18 at the time. She has done great, though.
Both of course, but the hardest thing was the guilt about having become someone who hurts others themselves instead of being strong enough to stop the cycle of destruction.
think- ago
I see. Glad to hear that your sis has been able to heal.
was the guy who raped her ever charged and convicted [qm]
Vindicator ago
I don't know if she reported it. It was back in the 90s. She doesn't talk about it much, and I don't pry.
think- ago
K