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kingcosmo ago

i went to this in 2016 if anyone has questions

think- ago

if anyone has questions

Yes! What where your experiences? How did you travel there - via an organized tour by a guide? How was the guide like?

What was your impression how John of God treated women? And your impression of the 'healing' sessions? The general atmosphere at the Casa and in town?

Every info would be very appreciated!

kingcosmo ago

so i went to see him at omega, not at the casa (sorry i didnt make that clearer)

it was fucking STRANGE.

I've been to omega many times before, and I actually enjoy the retreats and programs they have. a friend of mine invited me and paid for my ticket (otherwise i probably wouldn't have gone, because he always rubbed me the wrong way), and I went with a group of about 15 people.

omega set up a giant tent- i mean MASSIVE. It was probably bigger than a football field and had hundreds of people under it all in white. it was a lot of waiting, it was freezing. occasionally they had random speakers come out and talk about how amazing JOG is, or how amazing knowing/being healed by JOG is. It was all super culty, but I've been working in the "spiritual" industry for about ten years, so I'm used to all of these guru-worshipper church campy types.

When your section is called, you would walk into a room to be "healed" by JOG. This was all done in masse. You would walk past JOG, which he was just sitting up in a chair surrounded by flowers, and then you would take a seat (there were probably about 50 people in the smaller room). You'd sit there quiet, eyes closed, and eventually JOG would come in the room. I have to say, I was surprised that I immediately could sense when he entered the room. Now here's my fucking weird experience, which could either be real or the result of me convincing myself something would happen. When he was doing the "healing," I had visualizations of my mind being "erased." Like my brain computer was being defragged or something. It was noticeable. Again, I've been to hundreds of workshops/events/woo-woo type things as a result of my career over the years, and I was taken aback by this experience because normally I am extremely dismissive of these things. Anyways, the "healing" lasted maybe five minutes and we were shuffled out of the room.

After I waited outside of the "healing room" waiting for my friend (who was held back to stay in his "vortex," which is basically a woo-woo name for a bunch of people that sit around him and stay in the room the whole time). At some random point a woman started screaming bloody fucking murder, blood-curdling sounds, and to this day I have no idea what that was about. Again- I will say this didn't surprise me as these types of events attract crazy people/ schizo-types, so I assumed it was just your run of the mill nutjob going crazy. I will say that at no point did I see "private" rooms or anything - so I think the screamer was just a looney toon and not someone getting murdered.

Here was the weird thing, after I left Omega I was DRAINED. I slept probably 15-16 hours after the event. I felt ill, exhausted, and totally depleted. My friend said this is "normal" and lots of people have this reaction. Now after all this stuff about JOG came out, I'm wondering if the experience I had was actually some form of energy-theft/vampirism which is why I was so exhausted after.

The friends I went with acted like they experienced the most transformational thing EVER. For me it was a solid "meh."

Piscina ago

I have heard about other people who got worse after being around JOG. Many get sicker. I had a friend who went to listen to a New Age guru speak. She said she got sick and spent the day in the bathroom vomiting. She was fine at the end of the day. Personally, I think some of these gurus have negative entities attached to them and they suck the life out of people.

kingcosmo ago

I agree completely. Who did your friend go to see speak?

Piscina ago

Doreen Virtue, when she was into the New Age. Virtue has now turned her back on the New Age and is a Christian.

kingcosmo ago

Interesting. I know Doreen used to do a lot with Chakra work & angel work. I wonder if her quick and final conversion to Christianity has anything to do with uncovering some of the dangers in what she was promoting all those years.

Piscina ago

She says she had a vision of Jesus in church. She now advocates volunteer work and service-to-others, as opposed to service-to-self, which is what the New Age is all about. The New Age is simply an extension of the luciferian doctrine, first promoted by Alice Bailey, Blavatsky and Steiner. Another interesting convert from the New Age to Catholicism was Valentin Tomberg, who said that what was missing from the New Age was humility and obedience to something greater. There is not much in the New Age close to what Jesus Christ taught--humility, loving your enemies, doing good deeds for others, rejecting worldly materialism, caring for the sick and the poor, self-sacrifice.

think- ago

Thank you for your reply, very interesting.

Here was the weird thing, after I left Omega I was DRAINED. I slept probably 15-16 hours after the event. I felt ill, exhausted, and totally depleted. My friend said this is "normal" and lots of people have this reaction.

Yes, I read about this. The TL;DR seems to be - apart from your feeling of being drained of energy, and the exhaustion - were there any longer lasting effects? Since most of his followers claim that after having an experience like you had, they then felt 'healed' at some point.

Also - why do you think was one of your friends singled out, and was ask to stay?

Thanks.

@letsdothis3

kingcosmo ago

my friend is very famous and influential. one of john of gods assistants recognized my friend and took them aside i think to win their favor

permindex ago

" I'm wondering if the experience I had was actually some form of energy-theft/vampirism which is why I was so exhausted after."

Yes, that is what they refer to as an "invisible surgery" where you are totally depleted for almost a day afterwards and all you can do is rest. JoG would come into a room where we were all seated with our eyes closed and he would say some prayer with "Deus" in it and the only feeling I remember was relaxation. It was a very subtle thing. I had several of these in Abadiania when I stayed there in 2003. At the time I thought they were healing, and now I think just the opposite, as I have been chronically ill since a about 2 years after I got back from Brazil (it took some time for the illness to manifest). I'm glad you didn't keep having the "surgeries" like I and my friend did - he has also been ill just like me. I might as well tell you that my first "surgery" was a physical one, which I volunteered for out of my own naivete, and I got the forceps jammed up the nasal canal procedure, where I saw a flash of light and felt a lot of pain when it happened, even though they claim he uses some kind of spiritual anesthetic to make his operations pain-free. I imagine it was used with me, but it still hurt. After that, a nurse took me to a back room for me to rest while she sopped up whatever blood was running down my face. The next time, I felt ok until I suddenly had a severe pain in my liver area to the point of almost not being able to walk. I barely made it to the place I was staying, drank a ton of water because of how dehyrdrated I was, and soon after that, started purge up large quantities of BLACK liquid, filling a bucket half full. It was a horrible and painful experience and I was totally drained afterwards. At the time, I thought it was a cleansing, but again, now I think the opposite and that they put some dark spirit in me. That was my first surgery, so I decided to stay after that because I thought there was a chance they could help me with the problem I came there for and ended up staying there for 6 months. After I came home I had some digestive problems, then after about 2 years, I developed a severe condition which has only gotten worse over the years. What did not help was doing a remote healing from them where I took the passionflower herbs (when I still thought JoG was good), after which I felt much worse and all my symptoms I had had before were even worse. Now i'm looking for someone who can finally get rid of this once and for all.

sore_ass_losers ago

Thanks for your account, it is interesting. (Also @kingcosmo ).

It's interesting your 'allotriophagy' link is dead now, 20 hours later. "404 Not Found." Maybe they didn't like traffic from voat.

I get "Allotriophagy is the vomiting or disgorgement of strange or foul objects, usually associated with someone possessed by or obsessed with the Devil or other Demons". It seems it has a modern definite "a taste for eating strange objects".

permindex ago

hmm the link still works fine for me. strange.

letsdothis3 ago

Thank you for recounting your experience.

have been chronically ill since a about 2 years after I got back from Brazil

I've seen a number of people comment on blogs that they were actually worse afterwards. Also, in Brazile they give out his 'medicines' which many people say make them ill.

permindex ago

Thank you. yes, the medicines would be the passionflower herb capsules.